Studs n duds Bear meat

[chemist]

People wanted to be all dismissive about bringing an old guy like Davante Adams back (when he pretty much openly admitted that he wanted to come back), but let’s be honest, he would have been an enormous difference maker in the red zone for us this year.

With bears having to play the lions and the 49rs their last 2 games there is a good chance they could lose both so the idea of us winning the division is very much on the table.
We just need to take care of our own business to keep that possibility alive .

 

[adambr2]

With bears having to play the lions and the 49rs their last 2 games there is a good chance they could lose both so the idea of us winning the division is very much on the table.
We just need to take care of our own business to keep that possibility alive .

Ehh.

I’m torn on this.

Obviously, winning the division is ideal.

But if there is still a chance of that heading into Week 18, it means the Lions have nothing to play for. I’m just not sure how hard they’re going to go after the Bears, who would have everything to play for.

Furthermore we have guys who could really, really use a week off. In the bigger playoff picture, having nothing to play for and resting key starters Week 18 could be very beneficial.

And finally, now that the bye is out, I’m just not really sure if it makes a big difference whether we play at Lambeau or Soldier in the playoffs.

 

[Pugger]

I brought that Seattle example live in the thread. I couldn’t decide what was worse. Losing a championship with both engines failing or losing to the bears Lol

Losing a championship is worse.

 

[Pugger]

Yup and it wasn't just "yanked", it was grabbed early and held on to, heck Bears TE Durham Smythe (#81) is pulled off the ground by it!

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Yes, officiating today stinks but the crew in Detroit were not afraid to call holding or OPI.

 

[Pugger]

Ehh.

I’m torn on this.

Obviously, winning the division is ideal.

But if there is still a chance of that heading into Week 18, it means the Lions have nothing to play for. I’m just not sure how hard they’re going to go after the Bears, who would have everything to play for.

Furthermore we have guys who could really, really use a week off. In the bigger playoff picture, having nothing to play for and resting key starters Week 18 could be very beneficial.

And finally, now that the bye is out, I’m just not really sure if it makes a big difference whether we play at Lambeau or Soldier in the playoffs.

I suspect the Lions would love nothing more than to screw over a divisional rival, just like MN would to us these last 2 weeks.

 

[chemist]

Ehh.

I’m torn on this.

Obviously, winning the division is ideal.

But if there is still a chance of that heading into Week 18, it means the Lions have nothing to play for. I’m just not sure how hard they’re going to go after the Bears, who would have everything to play for.

Furthermore we have guys who could really, really use a week off. In the bigger playoff picture, having nothing to play for and resting key starters Week 18 could be very beneficial.

And finally, now that the bye is out, I’m just not really sure if it makes a big difference whether we play at Lambeau or Soldier in the playoffs.

You make some good points.
My feeling on the lions is that they are very angry and POd for losing that wild game to the steelers. Their frustration must be thru the roof, meaning they will want to take out their frustration on any team coming their way. I see them playing hard their last 2 games.

We do have alot of injuries so resting players makes sense but i also feel playing at home is better than having to deal with that nonsense the bears pulled of having heaters on the field that only worked on their side of the field.

Its a toss up on where your priorities lie.

I understand we have a legit QB on the practice squad. Anyone know anything about clayton tune just in case the worst happens .

 

[Heyjoe4]

I’ve got to give a
Stud to Malik Willis, Romeo Doubs and Emmanuel Wilson. Those guys played really good.

Dud:
Special Teams (again). Seems to be a recurring theme and nothing changes. There’s nothing special about Rich imo. Going forward, I’m just going to just refer to them as Teams. Special denotes something exemplary about the unit and past a reliable Kicker or Punter I’m not seeing it.

Defensive Run stop was poor in this one. IMO that’s not a reflection of missing Micah. 5.8 per carry? When you fully know they are going to run that’s a really questionable level Run D. Might more be a reflection of missing Wyatt/Clark and a top ranked Running game in Chicago though.

Blown Pass Coversge.

Nixon is over performing. He’s really a good Slot CB imo. He gets too grabby and picks too many fights instead of figuring out how to cover his guy. He really shouldn’t be talking at all with his stacking poor performances.

I think the D played the run well. Swift and Monaghi had 100 yards combined. That’s pretty damned good IMO. They put up 280 yards against the Eagles.

 

[milani]

Those types of meltdowns occur when teams don't concentrate anymore and make a series of stupid mental mistakes.

That is why I still say Bill Belichick was the greatest coach of all time. His team rarely made those big mistakes especially in big games. He was on top of everything and it transcended to his players.

 

[milani]

With bears having to play the lions and the 49rs their last 2 games there is a good chance they could lose both so the idea of us winning the division is very much on the table.
We just need to take care of our own business to keep that possibility alive .

The Bears are a better team than the one that got shelled in WK 2. The Lions are not. The 9er game should be close. They have to do a better job of getting to the QB. Had they had Fred Warner and Bosa playing this year I would have chosen them for the SB.

 

[rmontro]

It would be such a Packer thing to lose the last 2 and for Detroit to win theirs. I am really hoping the Vikings can beat the Lions on Christmas. I really wouldn’t want to have to go into the last game needing to beat Minnesota.

If we would lose the last two and miss the playoffs, that outdoes our lousy finish last year, losing the last three games. With all the promise that started this season, I'd have to say I'd be on board in moving on from MLF. But there are two more games to go, regardless. Losing to Minnesota to lose a playoff spot would be the final indignity.

I brought that Seattle example live in the thread. I couldn’t decide what was worse. Losing a championship with both engines failing or losing to the bears Lol

Nothing could be worse than that Seattle debacle. Really, I'm already over the Bears game. We really should have won that game, and I'm looking forward to handing it to the Bears in the playoffs, although they are admittedly a tough opponent. But we really need to figure out why this team tends to collapse in the final minutes of a game, that has gotten tiresome quick.

PACKERS RECEIVE:
Jeff Hafley HC/DC
Mr. Unknown OC
2027 1st round pick

Is it worth making Hafley head coach to avoid losing him? I tend to prefer offensive minded coaches, but it's an interesting question.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes, officiating today stinks but the crew in Detroit were not afraid to call holding or OPI.

1st PI: Detroit runs that pick play a lot and it should be called ALL the time IMO. They got away with it on their previous TD.

2nd PI: Again, this is Amon's MO. He likes to push off and free himself. This time he got caught.

I think the Lions receivers have been taught to be more physical and usually the benefits outweigh the negatives, in that offensive PI isn't called that much. I would actually like to see the Packers do the same. Getting separation, with a passer like Love is huge and besides maybe Watson, the Packer WR's are pretty non-physical when it comes to route running.

 

[gopkrs]

That last PI on Amon Ra (always think of ancient Egypt), looked obvious to me.

 

[Magooch]

People wanted to be all dismissive about bringing an old guy like Davante Adams back (when he pretty much openly admitted that he wanted to come back), but let’s be honest, he would have been an enormous difference maker in the red zone for us this year.

Yeah, but just think of how he would've hindered Golden's development if he were here

Oh, wait...

 

[chemist]

The Bears are a better team than the one that got shelled in WK 2. The Lions are not. The 9er game should be close. They have to do a better job of getting to the QB. Had they had Fred Warner and Bosa playing this year I would have chosen them for the SB.

Anyone who has been a long time fan of an NFL team eventually becomes a fanatic. We love our team but start to become obsessive about every little thing that didnt go well. We overanalyze, we get tunnell vision just looking at what our team did or didnt do.
Yes weve had some debacles but so has every other team in the NFL.
How about the giants leading the broncos by a million points with a few minutes left in the game but lose it anyway. How about an elite team like the rams leading seattle 30-14 with 8 min left in the 4th and still losing. How about the recent game with lions losing to the steelers even though the lions had scored the winning TD 3 times on 3 consecutive plays in the remaining seconds only to have each TD called back because of penalties. Talk about a debacle!!
How about the eagles collapse a few years back where they lost, what their last 5 or 6 games to end a disasterous season. My point is we arent the only team that has muffed games, every team in the league has done so many times but our tunnel vision doesnt let us see that.
This GB team is good! Let me ask this question. This season have the packers ever been blown out in a game, have they ever been destroyed and sent home with their tail between their legs. I cant think of any, can you??
Despite all the injuries we've had to prime time players this team fights hard every single game.
Just 2 games left in the season. Time for us to can the debacle talk, put our big boy pants on, give this team the support they deserve and accept whatever happens.

 

[gopkrs]

Yeah, but just think of how he would've hindered Golden's development if he were here

Oh, wait...

I definitely think there should be more plays for Golden. He is quick and looks like he has great hands. I'd know more if they threw it to him more.

 

[scooter_1954]

Am I the only realizing how many games we lost this year, because LeFleur WILL NOT kick a FG early? If he had taken the FG on the first drive, we would have won this game, PERIOD....FULL STOP! We played brilliantly for 58 minutes, and yes, Doubs blew it, but NONE of that would have mattered, had LaFleur taken the FG on the first drive.

 

[rmontro]

Am I the only realizing how many games we lost this year, because LeFleur WILL NOT kick a FG early? If he had taken the FG on the first drive, we would have won this game, PERIOD....FULL STOP! We played brilliantly for 58 minutes, and yes, Doubs blew it, but NONE of that would have mattered, had LaFleur taken the FG on the first drive.

You're definitely not the only one who has noticed. Of course there are different philosophies on it regardless. The current trend in the NFL is to go for it on 4th down. In the old days, coaches would take the field goal all day long.

 

[gopkrs]

Am I the only realizing how many games we lost this year, because LeFleur WILL NOT kick a FG early? If he had taken the FG on the first drive, we would have won this game, PERIOD....FULL STOP! We played brilliantly for 58 minutes, and yes, Doubs blew it, but NONE of that would have mattered, had LaFleur taken the FG on the first drive.

I think we should take points early also. And after that, take the whole situation into consideration

 

[Magooch]

That's kind of a tough one for me. I don't hate the idea of being a bit aggressive early and trying to set the tone. Practically speaking, I don't know how much that would've impacted the outcome either - we went for it and failed, so the Bears got the ball back, but they also turned it over on downs and we then went down and took the field goal. In effect, we got the same three points, just a few minutes later. If we take the field goal there and kick off (instead of turning it over at the CHI 7), who's to say the next Bears drive has the same outcome?

 

[chemist]

Am I the only realizing how many games we lost this year, because LeFleur WILL NOT kick a FG early? If he had taken the FG on the first drive, we would have won this game, PERIOD....FULL STOP! We played brilliantly for 58 minutes, and yes, Doubs blew it, but NONE of that would have mattered, had LaFleur taken the FG on the first drive.

Things like that can go either way so I dont think its as black and white as that.
In the 2nd lions game if we didnt go for those TDs on 4th down and instead settled for FGs we lose.

 

[rmontro]

Things like that can go either way so I dont think its as black and white as that.
In the 2nd lions game if we didnt go for those TDs on 4th down and instead settled for FGs we lose.

Good point, of course it helps if you can turn those drives into touchdowns. Unfortunately, our red zone offense has become stagnant at times. That's one difference I see between Love and Rodgers. With Rodgers, I usually felt confident that he was going to convert those opportunities into touchdowns (unless we were playing SF or a very solid D). With Love I'm not so sure (of course that could be MLF's play calling too).

 

[chemist]

Good point, of course it helps if you can turn those drives into touchdowns. Unfortunately, our red zone offense has become stagnant at times. That's one difference I see between Love and Rodgers. With Rodgers, I usually felt confident that he was going to convert those opportunities into touchdowns (unless we were playing SF or a very solid D). With Love I'm not so sure (of course that could be MLF's play calling too).

Yes I agree. We seem to be better getting TDs when we are not close to the endzone.
The closer we get the DEF can saturate the smaller area. This is where I feel we really miss kraft the most.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Ehh.

I’m torn on this.

Obviously, winning the division is ideal.

But if there is still a chance of that heading into Week 18, it means the Lions have nothing to play for. I’m just not sure how hard they’re going to go after the Bears, who would have everything to play for.

Furthermore we have guys who could really, really use a week off. In the bigger playoff picture, having nothing to play for and resting key starters Week 18 could be very beneficial.

And finally, now that the bye is out, I’m just not really sure if it makes a big difference whether we play at Lambeau or Soldier in the playoffs.

Soldier field was LOUD. After every play there was a roar from the crowd like something big just happened! A late flag? Late hit? There a fight or something??? NOPE, just Bears fans filling the night sky with thunderous chest rattling roars, for no apparent reason. Lmao.

I'd rather they come to GB. Except last time in GB they basically mugged Parsons every down, and ended up with like 2 penalties for -5 yards total... The GBP boosters need to get to those refs before the Chicago book makers do, next time. Lol

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I suspect the Lions would love nothing more than to screw over a divisional rival, just like MN would to us these last 2 weeks.

My thoughts exactly... Spoiler games big time.
I think Baltimore just got eliminated by Rodgers and the steelers. So that takes the pressure off this week a little bit.

 

[adambr2]

Am I the only realizing how many games we lost this year, because LeFleur WILL NOT kick a FG early? If he had taken the FG on the first drive, we would have won this game, PERIOD....FULL STOP! We played brilliantly for 58 minutes, and yes, Doubs blew it, but NONE of that would have mattered, had LaFleur taken the FG on the first drive.

You can full stop after the period all you want, it doesn’t make the statement true. The Bears started from their own 8 yard line after the missed 4th down, and they probably start from their own 35 if we take the 3.

They drive 80 yards on the next drive. You can just as easily assume that those 80 yards would have subsequently resulted in 7 points for Chicago instead of the 0 that they ended up with after failing their own 4th down.

Anyone thinking every time we fail a 4th down in FG range and bypass the FG that we could have simply added “3” to our final score and everything else would have remained the same is making false equivalencies.