Studs n duds Washington

[Voyageur]

I noticed he didn't hurdle the defender on his run down the sidelines. I recall he tweaked something a season back doing that. Good he learned he's not on a track in shorts.

What I liked about that run after the catch was his putting his shoulder down and initiating contact. He's letting tacklers know who the real big dog is out there.

 

[Thirteen Below]

You never know when there will be an injury and to trade someone 10 weeks in, who has been a valuable teammate, and you are on a Superbowl run, for draft picks, is just cold.

I'm not sure what you mean by "cold" in this context. If you mean, as in being insensitive to how a player feels about being traded, I would say that that's part of a GM's job. They're not his buddy, or his dad. Their job is to use all of their personnel in whatever way is necessary in order to put the team in the best possible position to win a Super Bowl, and if that means trading a man when you can get the maximum possible value for him, then that's what a GM is supposed to be able to do.

 

[Thirteen Below]

I noticed he didn't hurdle the defender on his run down the sidelines. I recall he tweaked something a season back doing that. Good he learned he's not on a track in shorts.

He did it two weeks in a row, in his rookie season. The first time he did it, he jumped over his man head on, and he impacted the other guy's helmet with his balls. He didn't seem to like that at all; it took him a while walk it off and get back to normal.

But he learned fast. Next week, he hurdled a guy again, only this time he turned sideways as he went over him.

There are some lessons even a stubborn man only has to learn once.

 

[gopkrs]

I'm not sure what you mean by "cold" in this context. If you mean, as in being insensitive to how a player feels about being traded, I would say that that's part of a GM's job. They're not his buddy, or his dad. Their job is to use all of their personnel in whatever way is necessary in order to put the team in the best possible position to win a Super Bowl, and if that means trading a man when you can get the maximum possible value for him, then that's what a GM is supposed to be able to do.

It's cold man. I guess you don't really understand that.

 

[Voyageur]

He did it two weeks in a row, in his rookie season. The first time he did it, he jumped over his man head on, and he impacted the other guy's helmet with his balls. He didn't seem to like that at all; it took him a while walk it off and get back to normal.

But he learned fast. Next week, he hurdled a guy again, only this time he turned sideways as he went over him.

There are some lessons even a stubborn man only has to learn once.

I remember that first one. I wondered if he was going to end up singing soprano for a while. I had my bell rung more than a few times in both football and baseball as a catcher. I could feel his pain.

 

[milani]

I'm not sure what you mean by "cold" in this context. If you mean, as in being insensitive to how a player feels about being traded, I would say that that's part of a GM's job. They're not his buddy, or his dad. Their job is to use all of their personnel in whatever way is necessary in order to put the team in the best possible position to win a Super Bowl, and if that means trading a man when you can get the maximum possible value for him, then that's what a GM is supposed to be able to do.

Probably figures since it is 10 weeks plus into the season that it's cold. Like thirteen below!

 

[Thirteen Below]

It's cold man. I guess you don't really understand that.

No. In this context, I don't. That's why I asked you in what sense you meant the term, because what I inferred from it was that you thought it would be unfair or disrespectful to Doubs. I really don't see it that way, because a trade could be a very good move for him.

From what I've seen, he's aiming to get a contract something along the lines of $15Mx4. He's not going to get that here. As Tyni pointed out, the WR room is standing room only, with a line out the door, and we have two really solid tight ends who need to be fed too. Doubs already made it clear last year that he really wasn't happy with how many passes he was seeing, and with Muskgrave becoming more popular with Love, plus the addition of Golden and Williams, it's not like that's going to get any better.

With the teams that are rumored to be asking about him, he's going to see a lot more footballs than he will here, and maybe even be the #1 target. He'll have many opportunities to prove he's worth the contract he's looking for. I don't want to lose him either, because I like the guy and respect him, but the salary cap situation almost certainly means he has no future here. But on another team, he has a great oportunity to move his career forward, and set himself up for free agency. And at the same time, if we can get significant draft capital AND feel we have enough WRs to make up for losing him, I think we need to do it. Better for all concerned; win-win.

This guy has a lot of upside, I have always felt that. I have also always felt that he's never going to get a chance to fully showcase that in Green Bay because we just don't have as many footballs as we have receivers. I've always felt that whichever of our young receives are the first to go, some of them are going to really blossom on a different team, where they get more targets. Seems like Doubs may be the first of those, and the sooner he moves to another team, the sooner he can start making a case to get paid.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Rodgers had the first collarbone in 2013. He missed about 10 weeks. Reed will be similar unless the fracture is somewhat less.

Everyone is different. When I was 17 I broke mine clean. Not a fracture, a displaced break. I had a brace and 5 weeks later I was back to basketball practice and playing varsity a week later.

 

[RRyder]

Everyone is different. When I was 17 I broke mine clean. Not a fracture, a displaced break. I had a brace and 5 weeks later I was back to basketball practice and playing varsity a week later.

Fair. That's also a sport were your not running the risk of being hit by a 250 pound man running 20 mph at you also though.

Id imagine hell be out 8-10 weeks but considering hes also been dealing with his other fracture might not be the worst thing in the world

 

[OldSchool101]

What I liked about that run after the catch was his putting his shoulder down and initiating contact. He's letting tacklers know who the real big dog is out there.

Yes. Plus think about it. You’re a 205lb DB running at a 260lb TE in full momentum. It’s a good way to shorten your career, just ask J’aire. Most often the DB is coming at an angle and can’t square up and really susceptible to Tucker fighting back with a long stiff arm.

 

[Magooch]

No. In this context, I don't. That's why I asked you in what sense you meant the term, because what I inferred from it was that you thought it would be unfair or disrespectful to Doubs. I really don't see it that way, because a trade could be a very good move for him.

From what I've seen, he's aiming to get a contract something along the lines of $15Mx4. He's not going to get that here. As Tyni pointed out, the WR room is standing room only, with a line out the door, and we have two really solid tight ends who need to be fed too. Doubs already made it clear last year that he really wasn't happy with how many passes he was seeing, and with Muskgrave becoming more popular with Love, plus the addition of Golden and Williams, it's not like that's going to get any better.

With the teams that are rumored to be asking about him, he's going to see a lot more footballs than he will here, and maybe even be the #1 target. He'll have many opportunities to prove he's worth the contract he's looking for. I don't want to lose him either, because I like the guy and respect him, but the salary cap situation almost certainly means he has no future here. But on another team, he has a great oportunity to move his career forward, and set himself up for free agency. And at the same time, if we can get significant draft capital AND feel we have enough WRs to make up for losing him, I think we need to do it. Better for all concerned; win-win.

This guy has a lot of upside, I have always felt that. I have also always felt that he's never going to get a chance to fully showcase that in Green Bay because we just don't have as many footballs as we have receivers. I've always felt that whichever of our young receives are the first to go, some of them are going to really blossom on a different team, where they get more targets. Seems like Doubs may be the first of those, and the sooner he moves to another team, the sooner he can start making a case to get paid.

Maybe I have missed it too, but do we even have any idea how Doubs feels about the whole thing? I mean sure...maybe if he feeling settled and happy in GB and we decide to punt him to Cleveland or something....yeah, I guess that could be seen as cold (even though he will likely get more targets and a fatter paycheck to ease the pain...)
But for all we know, who's to say he's not open to the idea of leaving? Last season we heard how he wasn't content with his role here. Has that changed? Might very well be the case that he'd embrace the opportunity to move and take on a bigger role and get a pay raise while he's at it. What would be cold about that?

 

[Thirteen Below]

Everyone is different. When I was 17 I broke mine clean. Not a fracture, a displaced break. I had a brace and 5 weeks later I was back to basketball practice and playing varsity a week later.

I can't help wondering if that was at least partially a function of being 17, rather than mid-20s.

But also, as others have alluded to, you weren't getting body-slammed to the ground several times in each game. Wondering if that data point was a factor in how quickly you were cleared to play again.

 

[gopkrs]

Maybe I have missed it too, but do we even have any idea how Doubs feels about the whole thing? I mean sure...maybe if he feeling settled and happy in GB and we decide to punt him to Cleveland or something....yeah, I guess that could be seen as cold (even though he will likely get more targets and a fatter paycheck to ease the pain...)
But for all we know, who's to say he's not open to the idea of leaving? Last season we heard how he wasn't content with his role here. Has that changed? Might very well be the case that he'd embrace the opportunity to move and take on a bigger role and get a pay raise while he's at it. What would be cold about that?

Have you not watched him after a reception? He is stoked. Every player wants to win a Superbowl. And he'll be a free agent. Your saying he maybe wants to leave? Give me a break. And we need him. Damn next years' draft. Full speed ahead.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Maybe I have missed it too, but do we even have any idea how Doubs feels about the whole thing? I mean sure...maybe if he feeling settled and happy in GB and we decide to punt him to Cleveland or something....yeah, I guess that could be seen as cold (even though he will likely get more targets and a fatter paycheck to ease the pain...)
But for all we know, who's to say he's not open to the idea of leaving? Last season we heard how he wasn't content with his role here. Has that changed? Might very well be the case that he'd embrace the opportunity to move and take on a bigger role and get a pay raise while he's at it. What would be cold about that?

Excellent question, and honestly I can't even speculate. He's been a solid guy and not expressed any wishes about being somewhere else.

But he's a smart guy, too, and he can add 2+2 as well as I can. I'm sure he and his agent have often discussed that topic, and since his dissatisfaction last year with how many targets he was getting really upset him, the deep receiver corps here in Green Bay must be a significant concern for him.

Could be he passionately loves Green Bay, and simply wants to be the Number One guy here. But even so, he has to realize that is never going to happen here. And it just wouldn't be realistic for him (or his agent) to have a plan in mind where that does happen. He's just gotta know that it's either stay in Green Bay and mnake less money than he's worth, or pack his bags and be The Guy on some other team. So I assume he has accepted that by now, and is prepared for what that means. Because if he wasn't satisfied with how many footballs he saw last year, he's not going to be happy with how many he gets next year.

I just can't imagine any way that Green Bay can afford to pay him what many other teams would be happy to pay, without blowing up the whole payroll strategy for our receiver corps. He's good, but he isn't Jerry Rice or Megatron. He has to make the same choice that countless really good players have had to make in the salary cap era; stay where he's happy but accept a lot less money, or move on to where he can get paid a lot more and have the chance to play a much bigger role on another team. 110, 120 targets a year and first read, instead of 3rd read and 70 targets.

The man's a professional athlete; he's worked his whole life to not just succeed at this stage in his career, but to excel. This is his time, this is the peak of his career, and it's only going to last a few years. The time when he is ready to make his mark. I just don't see him being willing to be just one of 5 or 6 guys for less money, than 1 of 2 or maybe 3 guys for a lot more money. Nobody likes Green bay that much.

 

[milani]

Everyone is different. When I was 17 I broke mine clean. Not a fracture, a displaced break. I had a brace and 5 weeks later I was back to basketball practice and playing varsity a week later.

Great comeback!

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Duds:

Exceution miscues. Enagbare on that 4th down, too many garbage points given up in the 2nd half. Offense while good can't seem to get out of third gear.

Edgerrin Cooper: I LOVE this guy and would've traded up to #1 overall to get him...footwork this year is bad, he's hitting wrong holes and both things are leading to missed tackles and either gains where there shouldn't be gains or huge gains. Maybe a sophomore slump, but things need to clean up.

Studs:

I know I know it's 1 play but Malik Heath EARN that roster spot...DAMN!

O-Line: Jordan Love stayed relatively clean all night with 6th and 7th O-Lineman starting.

We are a divisional round playoff team as is, clean up the mess this team CAN get #14 THIS YEAR!

 

[PackersAU]

Studs:
Nixon
Kraft
Love
Wyatt

Duds: no one

 

[lambeaulambo]

rinse repeat...this D has a lot more in the tank. I admit - defense wins championships and we are witnessing it. Cooper if sloppy getting 20 tackles in 2 games I will take it all day long. He is only getting better and he is all over the field. Im reminded of when big nasty 92 came to titletown. Parsons has this D rolling with him. It is very fun to watch.

 

[RRyder]

Anyone calling Cooper sloppy or suggesting hes having a "sophomore slump" is out of their minds and watching a completely different game.

Dudes been a beast so far.

If he continues to play like he has the 1st two weeks the rest of the year hes going to be widely regarded as the best stand up LB in the league

 

[rmontro]

Yet I’m seeing a Running game at C- to expectation. I’m seeing disciplinary stuff at D+ to expectation. I’m seeing the Deep threat execution C grade to expectation. Had the Packers Offense put together a complete game like the Defense? It’s 38-10 against a Top 5 NFC opponent. I’m not down on GB, so don’t take my critique that way at all. I’m up on out Offense because I expect 30pts a game once they get in a groove. This Washington D was not very good. Maybe Top 11-20, not bad just not good.

I agree I've wanted to see more out of the running game. But in game one, they said you can't run against the Lions. And in game 2, we had two newbies on the OL due to injuries. So there have been reasons for it. I feel comfortable in the way Love is playing though, I don't expect him to be running a Favre or Rodgers style high powered offense. If he plays this well all season I will likely be pleased. As long as they keep the blasted penalties and mistakes down.

 

[milani]

I agree I've wanted to see more out of the running game. But in game one, they said you can't run against the Lions. And in game 2, we had two newbies on the OL due to injuries. So there have been reasons for it. I feel comfortable in the way Love is playing though, I don't expect him to be running a Favre or Rodgers style high powered offense. If he plays this well all season I will likely be pleased. As long as they keep the blasted penalties and mistakes down.

This may be a season in which we pass, pass, pass in order to open up the running game. Belichick in the past used that approach to get defenses out of the box. Either that, or we put an additional blocker or decoy in the backfield.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Great comeback!

It's a shame I wasn't good enough to get more than 6-7 minutes a game though.

 

[rmontro]

This may be a season in which we pass, pass, pass in order to open up the running game. Belichick in the past used that approach to get defenses out of the box. Either that, or we put an additional blocker or decoy in the backfield.

Your comment was more about the run, but I think Love can get into a rhythm better if he passes more.

 

[weeds]

The first time he did it, he jumped over his man head on, and he impacted the other guy's helmet with his balls.

The way he plays, I'd bet the Packers got a bill for the other guy having to repair the helmet.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Studs:
1. Keisan Nixon - 5 Pass Break Ups...5!
2. Tucker Kraft - 6 for 124 and a TD
3. Defense - 5 Sacks, 51 rushing yards on 19 carries, Jayden Daniels only 17 yds on 7 carries.

Duds:
1. Too many penalties, after playing a pretty clean game last week
2. Jayden Reed injury, unfortunately, I think he will be out for awhile
3. Belton struggled in pass protection, he will get better with experience, but we really missed Tom on the right side.

Honorable Mention:
Dontayvion Wicks is having a good start to the season, and with Reed's injury we are going to need him. 6 catches ( 4 tonight ),and no drops in two games.

Thanks I didn’t realize Nixon had 5 pass break ups. He was cheating on some routes, given the pressure on Daniels and the need to get the ball out early. There are some INTs and pic 6s coming in the weeks ahead.

Studs: Defense was very good, it may have been a home game, but they played very well. Nixon IMO had his best defensive game.
Tucker Kraft was unstoppable, possible injury, well I'll come back stronger, try to take me down, your going to get shrugged off.
Duds: I can't say that anyone was really a "did, but Love was really bad under pressure. You can get away with that early in the season, but if this persists , then team will definitely take advantage of that. I mean just look at Sam Darnold last season, as soon as teams nee he could be flustered, they took advantage, and I think that's part of why he's not the starting QB for the queens anymore. That being said, it still very early.
All in all, glad to see that the defense is good, as it's an old but IMO true cliche, defense wins championships.

Totally agree CW - defense wins championships. And this is a young, fast, and athletic group of guys. They "swarm" to the ball successfully, a sure sign of an elite D. And beating the 1st and 5th-ranked offenses from last year is quite the feat, esp this early ninth season.

And I have a similar feeling about Love. He does seem to get rattled. Rodgers did some of his best work outside the pocket, but it's rare to play that well under pressure. Rodgers is a generational talent.

I think over the last 9 games, Love has thrown 25 TDs and zero INTs, so he's definitely playing smarter. Maybe it's his demeanor. He is a low-key guy, esp compared to Favre and even Rodgers.

There is nothing to dislike with this team.