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[BrokenArrow]

I respectfully disagree.

Then educate me. What have you seen from them over the last 3 months that leads you to believe they can beat the Steelers, and on the road against the Vikings and Bears all in a row?

 

[BrokenArrow]

I remember that hit on McMahon totally uncalled for and the Packers released him right after that

Word at the time was that they told Martin to get his own ride home after the game. I have no idea if that actually happened though.

 

[rdawsoniii]

Then educate me. What have you seen from them over the last 3 months that leads you to believe they can beat the Steelers, and on the road against the Vikings and Bears all in a row?

I just think they are a better team than all 3 of those. I also don’t think the Packers will beat either the Ravens or Vikings.

The Packs magic number is 2. Seems easy. We’ll find out.

If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it.

 

[Pugger]

Duds: Rashan Gary, Lukas Van Ness.

Gary told us to just watch what they’d do without Micah.

Yep, we see Rashan, we see. It’s exactly what we expected.

Gee, I thought LVN played pretty well...

 

[Pugger]

I think that had the Bears still had 3 timeouts they may have kicked off and forced the punt. Plus they kicked the FG after losing the 2 minute warning. The onside kick should have been considered a gift by giving us the ball near midfield.

As long as Doubs isn't out there. I pray he never is in that position again.

 

[Pugger]

Very true. And if we were up 19-6 I believe they pass on a FG and go for it. But it adds up to 2 failed opportunities. No points on the 1st drive and no points in the 3rd quarter drive when in the red zone. John Madden said always take the points if you can. And he had one of the best offensive lines in history. Teams are so embarrassed by kicking a FG on 4th and 1 or 2. But come later in the game those 3 points can look valuable.
In the 2003 playoffs the Packers had a 1st and goal at the 2 minute warning. They Eagles stopped us 4 straight. We lost THAT game in OT. An Eagle poster after the game told me " Gotta take the points. "

I don't get this. Madden is right. You should always take the points - especially on the road. In my mind when you don't you are chasing those points the rest of the game. But it seems today's coaches - in the pros and collegiately - appear to scoff at FGs.

 

[Pugger]

The game has changed since Joe Gibbs was coaching. Kickers are deadly accurate from 55+ regularly and starting field position is closer to the 35 yard line rather than the 20. Where teams would once have to go 50 yards to get into FG position, they now need to only go 25.

This mentality disregards the value of field position. When you take the points on 4th and goal from the 1, you get 3 but you lose the 34 yards of field position.

When you go for 4th and 1, your upside is 7 and your downside is 0 but still comes with the silver lining of your opponent backed way up to their goalline. That field position matters, it has value.

I find that the “we should’ve took the points” argument only seems to come up when it fits the narrative. We “took the points” repeatedly against Denver last week and traded 7 for 3 all day and that didn’t work. No one brought it up then.

Yes, but I recall our illustrious HC decided to go for it on 4th and EIGHT instead of a chip shot FG. Dumb dumb dumb.

 

[adambr2]

I don't get this. Madden is right. You should always take the points - especially on the road. In my mind when you don't you are chasing those points the rest of the game. But it seems today's coaches - in the pros and collegiately - appear to scoff at FGs.

Very few teams are winning games in today’s NFL with field goals. You can take 3 points all game, it probably will not be enough. That’s exactly what happened in Denver last week.

“Always” is too broad and encompassing. Every situation needs to be evaluated on its own. Take 4th and 1 at the 2 yard line.

6 point lead with 3 minutes left to play? Absolutely, take the points.

1st quarter 0-0 game against a high powered offense? Every coach in the NFL is going for that, as they should.

 

[adambr2]

Gee, I thought LVN played pretty well...

What did he do? He didn’t have a single tick in the stat sheet. Not a sack, not a tackle, not a QB hit, not a pass deflection, nothing.

 

[DoURant]

- Packers offense vs the Bears =384 yds, 192 passing, 192 Receiving...

- No punts...

- 16 pts scored...

 

[adambr2]

The Lions discussion is moot. Currently, we control our own destiny with 2 games to play.

If the only way we end up getting in is by backing in with Lion losses, we are screwed anyway. Playing well and having some momentum entering the playoffs coming off two wins is the way.

 

[OldSchool101]

I never said we would only win one game in the Playoffs if we get there... I said hopefully we would win "at least" one game.

At no time in my post did I say anything about either one of us winning just 1 playoff game. So I’m not sure what point you are defending here. Paranoia great destroya!

 

[OldSchool101]

The Lions discussion is moot. Currently, we control our own destiny with 2 games to play.

If the only way we end up getting in is by backing in with Lion losses, we are screwed anyway. Playing well and having some momentum entering the playoffs coming off two wins is the way.

While I agree Winning out is ideal (you could say that generically about any team in the hunt though)
but I disagree with the Lions being irrelevant to Green Bay. I think a Lions loss today or mostly anytime is hugely beneficial. Especially with both QB’s injured.

We don’t have to pretend to be desperate to want our Divisional rivals to benefit our seeding or to lock our playoff spot sooner. Every capable team wanting to “Win out” doesn’t make it a reality.

I’ll continue to be an Aaron Rodgers fan today thank you!

 

[chemist]

The Lions discussion is moot. Currently, we control our own destiny with 2 games to play.

If the only way we end up getting in is by backing in with Lion losses, we are screwed anyway. Playing well and having some momentum entering the playoffs coming off two wins is the way.

Totally agree. Teams that are playing their best football at the end of the season are the ones that make deep runs.
Having the ball in our court to get in the playoffs is much better than needing someone else to do it for us. Once you are in the playoffs there is no help coming from other teams. Its all on you to make it happen so get use to that way of doing things.
The 2010 team that won the SB was in the same position. Had to win their remaining 2 games to just make it into the playoffs as the last seed, finishing 10-6.

 

[milani]

Very few teams are winning games in today’s NFL with field goals. You can take 3 points all game, it probably will not be enough. That’s exactly what happened in Denver last week.

“Always” is too broad and encompassing. Every situation needs to be evaluated on its own. Take 4th and 1 at the 2 yard line.

6 point lead with 3 minutes left to play? Absolutely, take the points.

1st quarter 0-0 game against a high powered offense? Every coach in the NFL is going for that, as they should.

Make sure your offense is high powered and the opposing defense is not.

 

[OldSchool101]

Totally agree. Teams that are playing their best football at the end of the season are the ones that make deep runs.
Having the ball in our court to get in the playoffs is much better than needing someone else to do it for us. Once you are in the playoffs there is no help coming from other teams. Its all on you to make it happen so get use to that way of doing things.
The 2010 team that won the SB was in the same position. Had to win their remaining 2 games to just make it into the playoffs as the last seed, finishing 10-6.

While I mostly agree. We are banged up at QB (and other positions) and us winning and Lions losing could give us an extra week of rest without jeopardizing players.

NFL teams across the league Win or lose the last 2 games in a variety of ways and that does not = we can’t perform the following week. With a Detroit Loss and Packers Win we could even play Malik in Week 18 and rest Love or Jacobs or Tom or the list goes on and on. That’s a massive benefit to a team like our who’s banged up.

 

[milani]

While I mostly agree. We are banged up at QB (and other positions) and us winning and Lions losing could give us an extra week of rest without jeopardizing players.

NFL teams across the league Win or lose the last 2 games in a variety of ways and that does not = we can’t perform the following week. With a Detroit Loss and Packers Win we could even play Malik in Week 18 and rest Love or Jacobs or Tom or the list goes on and on. That’s a massive benefit to a team like our who’s banged up.

A massive benefit for our team might be a hospital bed. But as I see today, the 1 and 2 teams in the league for most games missed due to injury are Arizona and Detroit.

 

[rmontro]

As long as Doubs isn't out there. I pray he never is in that position again.

Doubs strikes me as a guy who will redeem himself. Might not be fielding an onside kick again though...

 

[rmontro]

I truly think the Bears just won their last game this year. We'll likely see them or the Lions again in 3 weeks.

I don't want to undersell them, they've been on TV quite a bit this year here, so I've watched them some. They've won 11 games, and they've beaten the Eagles and the Browns when we weren't able to. They have their flaws, but they look like a team on the upswing to me.

 

[Sanguine camper]

I remember that hit on McMahon totally uncalled for and the Packers released him right after that

In no way do I think Charles Martin acted out his blindside hit in McMahon without prior approval. I just don't see a player taking on that kind of risk of a huge suspension without some prior approval.

At the time, there was really bad blood between Ditka and Forrest Greg. I think Greg was retaliating against Ditka for running up the score against Bart Starr five years earlier in a 61-7 blowout.

Forrest Greg had the reputation of having a short fuse. Even Lombardi didn't bother to say much to Greg during his playing days.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I just think they are a better team than all 3 of those. I also don’t think the Packers will beat either the Ravens or Vikings.

The Packs magic number is 2. Seems easy. We’ll find out.

If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it.

Well?

 

[rdawsoniii]

Packs magic number is now 1. I’m feeling better now about their playoff chances. Have to believe out of 4 games, there isn’t a Green Bay win or Lion loss.

 

[chemist]

While I mostly agree. We are banged up at QB (and other positions) and us winning and Lions losing could give us an extra week of rest without jeopardizing players.

NFL teams across the league Win or lose the last 2 games in a variety of ways and that does not = we can’t perform the following week. With a Detroit Loss and Packers Win we could even play Malik in Week 18 and rest Love or Jacobs or Tom or the list goes on and on. That’s a massive benefit to a team like our who’s banged up.

Lions lost in a wacky game with an ending ive never seen before. It was wild chaos with the officials meeting for several minutes before announcing who won

 

[rdawsoniii]

Well?

See my post just below yours. I have no problem eating crow.

Please understand my pessimism is based on years of disappointment. Doesn’t make it right, though.

I also do the the reverse mojo thing.

 

[BrokenArrow]

In no way do I think Charles Martin acted out his blindside hit in McMahon without prior approval.

It wasn't a blindside hit. Blindside hits are perfectly legal. It was a body slam directly on his shoulder. Have you seen the play?