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Your comment was more about the run, but I think Love can get into a rhythm better if he passes more.
Good point. I think MLF will use passing routes earlier in the game, shorter crossing routes, the occasional go route to Golden. Seems like once Love and Golden get their timing down, Golden can do a lot of damage. He blew past the S on a go route Thursday and Love didn't put enough air under the ball. They'll fix that.

Jacobs has been running into stacked boxes. A few more early passes will force opponents to honor the RPO.
 

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Teams Flags. We have to clean up discipline issues. You can’t be face masking for 3 seconds straight and expect to not get caught.

This might be nitpicking a little. That was a dominant Win. Yet I’m seeing a Running game at C- to expectation. I’m seeing disciplinary stuff at D+ to expectation. I’m seeing the Deep threat execution C grade to expectation. Had the Packers Offense put together a complete game like the Defense? It’s 38-10 against a Top 5 NFC opponent. I’m not down on GB, so don’t take my critique that way at all. I’m up on out Offense because I expect 30pts a game once they get in a groove. This Washington D was not very good. Maybe Top 11-20, not bad just not good. We will play #2 rated Defenses and this O will suffer unless they clean up the small details. Running up the gut 2X for 0 yards? inside our own 20 with 18:00 minutes left? Washington sold out to stop Jacobs in the RUN game and we still didn’t make the connection. Thankfully Matt alluded to some play calling issues so he might’ve regretted that.

If we’re going to be a Champion? we have to critique each play as such. Playing “good” is no longer an option. Unless we want to go 12-5 and early exit postseason. We need to be thinking 14-15 Wins and home games throughout Postseason. I don’t see more than 1 or 2 teams across our first 8.9 games that lose a serious problem. I’m expecting 8-0,7-1,6-2 type start. We have a brutal schedule down the stretch. Might even be thinking working a mid tier trade before deadline to even strengthen our Roster more.
These are all fair critiques. They aren't as glaring because overall the team has played exceptionally well against good teams. And everyone loves winning. But things can always be improved.

Two things I'm looking for - more passes early to set up the RPO. Jacobs has been running into stacked lines because MLF is predictably running on first down. And I'm looking for Love and Golden to get their timing synced on go routes. Golden just flew past the S Thursday night, but Love didn't put enough air under the ball and threw the ball just past Golden's hands. And with Reed out for probably 8 weeks, minimum, I hope Golden gets more targets.

But hey, Doubs, Wicks, Kraft are playing great. Doubs is a superb route runner, Kraft just keeps getting better, Wicks is catching the ball, and even Heath has gotten in on the act.
 

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Some interesting stats. The kind that says little things about the way your team played.

Love was sacked twice. There were only 4 QB hits on him, and 2 TFL situations. To be fair, they were both coverage sacks, and the Commanders did play defense with the intent of stopping Jacobs from beating them between the tackles. Love had a lot of time back there to throw the ball, but nobody got open enough to risk it. I thought that was impressive considering we had two of our 5 offensive linemen who start not even suiting up on a 4-day swing between games. It tells me that the Packers' coaching staff is working with their players exceptionally well, and they seem to have the right people in place for "next man up."

Josh Jacobs got 84 of the toughest yards I've seen in quite some time. The Commanders were intent on stopping him, and even though he only averaged 3.7 YPC, he was getting those yards in the teeth of a defense poised to stop him. He scored again. He's gone from a guy who couldn't find the end zone no matter how well he did to a guy who finds it no matter what. One more game with a TD and I think he ties the record? Not sure here but that would be an awesome record to get a piece of or even get close to. He keeps defenses honest, and I'd venture a guess that makes Love extremely happy.

Tucker Kraft played a solid game. He ran his routes and because of the design of the offense, he found himself open and Love got him the ball. The guy is a bull when it comes to YAC. He just plain whups guys trying to take him down. He just might be an All Pro this year. He's working on it.

Malik Heath. What can I say. That was the ultimate toe-tap TD. It should be on every tape teaching how it's done. I thought it was a completion in real time, and startled my wife when I blurted out, "Challenge it! Challenge it! He got his feet in!" She put my bottle of cognac back in the cabinet and told me she thought I'd had enough. I guess I was pretty loud. It looked like a ballerina in action to me in real time. That's the stuff that kept him on this roster.

Romeo Doubs. Two really nice catches. He's a chain mover. He was facing over and under coverage and running in traffic most of the night. They can't ease up on his coverage and they know it. If they do, Love will hit him with a dart and it's going to be a long-gain play.

Savion Williams appears to be faster now than he was in college. Where'd that extra gear come from? At times he looks better than Golden who may not have been a factor but was covered with their better DBs on every play he was in there. That keeps the stud defenders off others like Wicks who played well.

WR blocking. Awesome! I like where this is going with them. It will result in a lot of yards they wouldn't have had on offense over the course of a year.

McManus missed a FG. Doink! He corrected his aim and nailed one from 56-yards. He's going to be a difference maker. Please note, the Commanders had a "doink" too.

Whelan's punts. He averaged 53.3 yards over 4 punts. His longest was 55 yards. The consistency is there. Consider that one of his punts was a touchback so that also shows the depth of his punts. He kicks so long that our coverage is just a little short of nailing return men for no gain. He's definitely someone we need to keep on our roster.

On defense, all I can say is that this was a monumental job and a clinic on how you shut down a team that has a QB who can carve you up with his runs. Daniels had 17 yards rushing, and as a team they had 51 total yards rushing. With only 200 yards in the air, and most of that coming from the middle of the third quarter on and we're talking total domination by the Packers until they reached a point that they took their foot off the pedal and eased up playing a vanilla defense the rest of the game.

This is two games in a row where the defense showed everyone exactly what they have in the tank and if I was an NFL offensive coordinator, I'd be asking myself what I need to do to break the strangle hold these guys have on their opponents.

Believe it or not, my only real complaint was in regard to missed tackles. We have to stop letting them slip away.
On the Heath catch, it looked to me like he was OOBs - from the first camera angle. But the elevated camera from behind the play clearly shows the art of the sideline catch executed to perfection. I like Heath but more for his talent as a blocker. I'd like to see more.
 

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At this point on day one of the 2026 league year when the first time they legally could extend Kraft having his third season completed as a rookie - sign him to a four year extension. I would argue he is more valuable than any WR that will see their contract expire with him.
Yeah with Reed out, hell maybe with Reed in, Kraft is the best receiver on the team right now. Best to lock him up asap. He's certainly earned a big pay day - and he's 100% a Packer.
 

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Yeah with Reed out, hell maybe with Reed in, Kraft is the best receiver on the team right now. Best to lock him up asap. He's certainly earned a big pay day - and he's 100% a Packer.
Eh, I’d push back on that theory of him being the best receiver on the team.

He is for sure one of our tops offensive threats in this offense tho for sure
 

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Eh, I’d push back on that theory of him being the best receiver on the team.

He is for sure one of our tops offensive threats in this offense tho for sure
Would be great to have someone playing better than Kraft. Who is it?
 

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Your comment was more about the run, but I think Love can get into a rhythm better if he passes more.
Teams are keying on our running game as they do any opponent with a productive back. So we have to be creative here or become one dimensional.
Teams knew Lombardi wanted to run, run, run. But he had variety. Sweep left. Sweep right. Quick trap. But always a 2 man backfield. Who would run? Who would block? Then there was a halfback number 5 who ran wide and suddenly became a passer. And then there was this number 15 who faked the handoff and delivered darts into the defensive backfield. Sooner or later defenses could not sell out on the run.
 

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These are all fair critiques. They aren't as glaring because overall the team has played exceptionally well against good teams. And everyone loves winning. But things can always be improved.

Two things I'm looking for - more passes early to set up the RPO. Jacobs has been running into stacked lines because MLF is predictably running on first down. And I'm looking for Love and Golden to get their timing synced on go routes. Golden just flew past the S Thursday night, but Love didn't put enough air under the ball and threw the ball just past Golden's hands. And with Reed out for probably 8 weeks, minimum, I hope Golden gets more targets.

But hey, Doubs, Wicks, Kraft are playing great. Doubs is a superb route runner, Kraft just keeps getting better, Wicks is catching the ball, and even Heath has gotten in on the act.
We had 10 flags vs. Wash and only 4 against Detroit. The 4 day week may have precipitated it.
 
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Edgerrin Cooper: I LOVE this guy and would've traded up to #1 overall to get him...footwork this year is bad, he's hitting wrong holes and both things are leading to missed tackles and either gains where there shouldn't be gains or huge gains. Maybe a sophomore slump, but things need to clean up.
Almost to the point I’ve always thought Quay should’ve went #45 overall (general area) Cooper at #22 overall range. We missed a little on Quay but we made up for it with Cooper.
Your comment was more about the run, but I think Love can get into a rhythm better if he passes more.
While the end result is the same. I just heard an entire interpretation (from Hostetler) that the bulk of teams have to establish the run in order to maximize the pass.
I mentioned before this game that we are the perfect antidote for Jayden. We are a fast and flowing Defense in the middle and upfront (offsets his QB speed)but we possess a top tier pass rush with 4 guys. It frees LB’s and Box Safety to run downhill against the Run.

We did exactly what I thought we MIGHT do. Turn it 1-dimensional. Better yet, 1-dimensional with 2.0 sec to throw or risk a Sack.
They "swarm" to the ball successfully, a sure sign of an elite D. And beating the 1st and 5th-ranked offenses from last year is quite the feat, esp this early ninth season.
Amen. I heard on a talk show that Our 2 Wins were against #1,#2 Offenses from 2024 by DVOA (efficiency). Granted it’s ideal at home and them traveling on a short week. Other point I’d make that was impressive was the fashion in which we did it. It was beyond just a Win, it was totally controlling our opponent. IMO Washington left 6pts out there, GB left 10-14pts off the scoreboard
 
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These are all fair critiques. They aren't as glaring because overall the team has played exceptionally well against good teams. And everyone loves winning. But things can always be improved.

Two things I'm looking for - more passes early to set up the RPO. Jacobs has been running into stacked lines because MLF is predictably running on first down. And I'm looking for Love and Golden to get their timing synced on go routes. Golden just flew past the S Thursday night, but Love didn't put enough air under the ball and threw the ball just past Golden's hands. And with Reed out for probably 8 weeks, minimum, I hope Golden gets more targets.

But hey, Doubs, Wicks, Kraft are playing great. Doubs is a superb route runner, Kraft just keeps getting better, Wicks is catching the ball, and even Heath has gotten in on the act.
Good points. Oh I’m absolutely being critical and I even prefaced that. It’s because I believe this O is nowhere close to ceiling. We still have a pair of bonus picks that could be playing second half of this season. Lloyd, Watson. We also Won that game without Reed. I think people are forgetting that he exited early, 1st Qtr. So might as well been inactive. Impressive is the word.


THAT is the reason I’m saying clean up some details and we could just destroy some teams if the Offense starts clicking. (Think Dallas 2023) Thus far our O has had a handicap imo (Thank You Jeff Hafley) They have been awarded little pressure because we have a shutdown. There will be a game or three that the D bends a little more, we need our O to win those games. Also there are coming games where we start slow like last year. I want the best for an O that imo is nowhere close to potential.
Get disciplined. get healthy.
Get ready to Shine
 
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Would be great to have someone playing better than Kraft. Who is it?
The statement was that he is our best receiver, disagree. Kraft as a receiver cannot do or even run many of the route packages as a whole just given the parameters of his skillset.
 

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We need to be careful in how we look at Nixon and Carrington. Remember that the Commanders offensive line was dinged up so our pass rush was considerably better because of it. As we go through the season, we won't see that too often. It's going to be tougher sledding.

Nixon cheating on routes is fine when the pressure is there but if he does it against a team that gives the QB another 1/2 second of time to make reads, he's going to be burned repeatedly. This needs to be stressed by the coaching staff. Don't get sucked in!
 

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The statement was that he is our best receiver, disagree. Kraft as a receiver cannot do or even run many of the route packages as a whole just given the parameters of his skillset.
I've always felt it was not realistic to consider the WR crew and TEs in the same category. Even if your TE catches more passes and gets more yardage, the fact remains that they aren't the guys that stretch the field and make those passes to the TEs possible. It's like comparing tackles between a nose tackle and inside linebacker. Saying the down tackle isn't as good as the LB because he has so many fewer tackles isn't realistic.
 
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We need to be careful in how we look at Nixon and Carrington. Remember that the Commanders offensive line was dinged up so our pass rush was considerably better because of it. As we go through the season, we won't see that too often. It's going to be tougher sledding.

Nixon cheating on routes is fine when the pressure is there but if he does it against a team that gives the QB another 1/2 second of time to make reads, he's going to be burned repeatedly. This needs to be stressed by the coaching staff. Don't get sucked in!
Totally agree. This game fed into Nixons strength. The shorter game.

Hopefully we’ll see them Ramp up Nate Hobbs.
 

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We need to be careful in how we look at Nixon and Carrington. Remember that the Commanders offensive line was dinged up so our pass rush was considerably better because of it. As we go through the season, we won't see that too often. It's going to be tougher sledding.

Nixon cheating on routes is fine when the pressure is there but if he does it against a team that gives the QB another 1/2 second of time to make reads, he's going to be burned repeatedly. This needs to be stressed by the coaching staff. Don't get sucked in!
This is precisely why Carrington is the clear better corner, and neither are GREAT yet truly. Nixon is a playmaker constantly looking for the big plays be that burns ya some but it is a lot more difficult for that to happen when pressure is getting home.
 

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This is precisely why Carrington is the clear better corner, and neither are GREAT yet truly. Nixon is a playmaker constantly looking for the big plays be that burns ya some but it is a lot more difficult for that to happen when pressure is getting home.
Precisely why I say that Nixon's ball-hawking has to be tempered with good judgement not constantly looking to make plays. If you make 5 good plays that breaks up passes during a game but then allow a receiver to slip behind you and put points on the board, you haven't succeeded, you've failed. The primary objective of a CB is to insure that these receivers can't make the big plays and to do that you need to cover well no matter what the route is.
 

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The statement was that he is our best receiver, disagree. Kraft as a receiver cannot do or even run many of the route packages as a whole just given the parameters of his skillset.
Sorry, I'm not an Xs andOs guy. I thought the best receiver would be one who gets open, catches what's thrown his way, gets a lot of YAC, is tough to bring down, et. al. If it's the guy who can run more routes, I stand corrected.
 

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We need to be careful in how we look at Nixon and Carrington. Remember that the Commanders offensive line was dinged up so our pass rush was considerably better because of it. As we go through the season, we won't see that too often. It's going to be tougher sledding.

Nixon cheating on routes is fine when the pressure is there but if he does it against a team that gives the QB another 1/2 second of time to make reads, he's going to be burned repeatedly. This needs to be stressed by the coaching staff. Don't get sucked in!
imo Nixon has looked good on deeper routes also. He knows to turn his head around. At times he needs to make up space but seems able. He does play very tight on short crossing routes. A danger for penalties but he has to do it if he wants to stop the completion. So far so good.
 

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My main issue with Love is his inconsistency and accuracy on his deep passes. If MLF is infatuated with throwing down field Love has to better than he's shown so far in his career.
I liked it because it is true imho. But I'm not unhappy with Love. Just that he needs to change something on those deep passes. Trajectory or just more practice...I'm not sure. But Golden was open I think twice. I guess if Love hits one of them I'd be much happier. Both were very close. Just a little long. Better than short I'll have to say.
 

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We had 10 flags vs. Wash and only 4 against Detroit. The 4 day week may have precipitated it.
It was disappointing to see so many infractions on ST against Washington. After the Detroit game I was hoping that was getting cleaned up. Holding on kicks/ punts isn't helping with field position.
 

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The statement was that he is our best receiver, disagree. Kraft as a receiver cannot do or even run many of the route packages as a whole just given the parameters of his skillset.
Likewise, most of the WRs cannot do what Kraft can do. That doesn't mean they can't be great receivers either. I do know, that on Thursday night, Kraft was our best receiver. That doesn't mean he is the best, the game plan probably gave him more opportunities.
 

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I liked it because it is true imho. But I'm not unhappy with Love. Just that he needs to change something on those deep passes. Trajectory or just more practice...I'm not sure. But Golden was open I think twice. I guess if Love hits one of them I'd be much happier. Both were very close. Just a little long. Better than short I'll have to say.
I thought the deep one to golden(?) was a watchable ball. He had enough time to alter his route and be on position. It's tough to drop 50 yd dimes. Wind starts to play a significant role in the process. QBs who look great at deep balls usually have a WR capable of adjusting and making the pass look perfect.

Golden is known for being able to make adjustments. Maybe I didn't see it right or maybe it was out of adjustment range. Or maybe he lost it in the lights. Or maybe it was a different receiver, I don't know.
 

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I thought the deep one to golden(?) was a watchable ball. He had enough time to alter his route and be on position. It's tough to drop 50 yd dimes. Wind starts to play a significant role in the process. QBs who look great at deep balls usually have a WR capable of adjusting and making the pass look perfect.

Golden is known for being able to make adjustments. Maybe I didn't see it right or maybe it was out of adjustment range. Or maybe he lost it in the lights. Or maybe it was a different receiver, I don't know.
The main thing I think is that it isn't just one game. And for me, the type of throw does not lend itself much to adjusting when you are going full speed. It's more of a line drive ball. I thought both of them were. Not unhappy with Love. But the deep, deep throws are not there enough yet imho. Very close though. It wasn't like Golden was way open. Which is what I would prefer of course. He did take two defenders with him each time I think. Maybe a route about 10 or 15 yards shorter to someone else would make sense on that design. Someone like Musgrave?
 
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