Studs n duds Bear meat

[OldSchool101]

I don't know if we don't deserve to be there, but we really need to make the playoffs... just for the sake of not giving Dallas a Top 18 pick. Hopefully we can make it in, and win at least one game to get that pick closer to the vicinity of the 25th pick in the first rd.

Sure. Yet I don’t agree with the reasoning. We should never take an attitude that we are only talented enough to be spoilers for other teams who don’t deserve to be in postseason. We just played 2 of our toughest 4 games left, both on the Road within 6 days, both pretty banged up or missing key players. I thought for much of the game Hafley did a good job mitigating a top rushing team. It’s not his fault the Teams fumbled and onside kick. The last pair of Chicago drives should’ve never even happened.

1 of 9 Redzone trips in 6 days is terrible level and combined with fumbles that could’ve resulted in points or Wins didn’t help matters. You don’t play good teams and repeatedly fail to finish and expect to Win those. These games are very often 1 score margins across the league. The best teams finish though.

Also very few teams can play a #2 seed on the road within a backup QB and expect to Win. I actually thought Willis played really good. He gives us a chance to Win and that’s what a backup QB does. He’s not ideal, but we sure don’t drop off much when he’s in there.

 

[rmontro]

GB could’ve Won either game (especially at Chicago) and it was more our own self inflicted mistakes that both capitalized on.

Yeah, but does that make it better, or worse? Either way we're either not up to the task, or else we choked it away.

As for the red zone problems, they were an issue early in the season, got cleaned up, and now they're back again.

I feel bad for Willis, he came in and played well enough to win, but then we bungled the onside kick (deja vu).

By the way, for some reason the Bears dirty hits on our quarterbacks kind of remind me of Charles Martin and Vince McMahon. Maybe a little karma coming back to bite us there, many years later.

 

[rmontro]

I thought for much of the game Hafley did a good job mitigating a top rushing team. It’s not his fault the Teams fumbled and onside kick. The last pair of Chicago drives should’ve never even happened.

That's true. But when the game was on the line, the defense couldn't get a stop. And that penalty on 3rd and 20 was a terrible blunder.

 

[OldSchool101]

As far as not making Postseason. I think that’s a topic for about 24+ teams every season. There’s a large contingency of Goid NFL teams who don’t make a playoff lock until Week 17-18. That’s not just a GB problem.

GB needs to Win 1 game and their playoff probability meter jumps dramatically. I think that’s a very attainable position. At 10-5-1 only 11 Win teams can pass us. Detroit will need to Win out and that is not easy. Obviously our best avenue is to just go 2-0 and put a bow on it. Neither opponent is some top seeded powerhouse.

Once the postseason comes. There isn’t a team out there that’s unbeatable. Everyone is back to winless to start postseason. Plus injuries are happening to other teams also. Lots of things can change in 3 weeks, just ask KC as one example. Guys return, guys go out, teams adjust or rise a little overall a little. Never say never.

 

[DoURant]

Sure. Yet I don’t agree with the reasoning. We should never take an attitude that we are only talented enough to be spoilers for other teams who don’t deserve to be in postseason. We just played 2 of our toughest 4 games left, both on the Road within 6 days, both pretty banged up or missing key players. I thought for much of the game Hafley did a good job mitigating a top rushing team. It’s not his fault the Teams fumbled and onside kick. The last pair of Chicago drives should’ve never even happened.

1 of 9 Redzone trips in 6 days is terrible level and combined with fumbles that could’ve resulted in points or Wins didn’t help matters. You don’t play good teams and repeatedly fail to finish and expect to Win those. These games are very often 1 score margins across the league. The best teams finish though.

Also very few teams can play a #2 seed on the road within a backup QB and expect to Win. I actually thought Willis played really good. He gives us a chance to Win and that’s what a backup QB does. He’s not ideal, but we sure don’t drop off much when he’s in there.

I never said we would only win one game in the Playoffs if we get there... I said hopefully we would win "at least" one game.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Stud: yes McManus, Packer fans at soldier field, Malik
Dud: Doubs is and outstanding receiver but this loss is on him, their would be no overtime Bear heroics if he had recovered that onside kick,he is the DUD who cost us the game,

It's not all on him. If MLF understood the value of a FG he wouldn't have been put in that position to begin with. You never leave points on the field when you have a chance to go up early on the road.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Am I the only one who quietly thinks, "Ooh, it's Willis time!" when Love gets hurt?

 

[DABIGZ]

Am I the only one who quietly thinks, "Ooh, it's Willis time." when Love gets hurt?

No, you’re not. Willis has that scramble ability that love just doesn’t have. Love and run at times, don’t get me wrong… but no where near Willis!

 

[Sanguine camper]

Studs
McManus- He made his kicks
Willis- He's impressive. Comes into games cold and plays very well.
Duds- everybody else. Nobody was making any big plays. No sacks, no interceptions, no forced fumbles, no game changing YAC.
No leadership that would've prevented the utter meltdown.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Not remotely fair.

Bostick screwed up. His job was to block and let Nelson recover. He went outside his job, screwed up, sad face.

Doubs did he assignment, he just didn’t do it well enough.

Footballs take wild bounces. Sometimes there's just nothing you can do. It looked like it was going to be short of the 10 yards until the last second.

 

[DoURant]

Footballs take wild bounces. Sometimes there's just nothing you can do. It looked like it was going to be short of the 10 yards until the last second.

Watching Live, I felt the same, that it was probably going to be at the last second that it would go 10 yards, and then it just shot over the 45 yd line. It's like baseball on Defense, be aggressive, play the ball, don't let the ball play you.

 

[gopkrs]

No, you’re not. Willis has that scramble ability that love just doesn’t have. Love and run at times, don’t get me wrong… but no where near Willis!

And he is throwing the ball really well

 

[BrokenArrow]

No, you’re not. Willis has that scramble ability that love just doesn’t have. Love and run at times, don’t get me wrong… but no where near Willis!

I really wish there was a way to find out how good he could be as the top guy but Love's contract prohibits that. His troubles in Nashville were due to poor coaching and a bad culture. Sadly, I think the only way we see how good he might really be is when he's starting for someone else. I can't believe there's not a part of MLF that relishes the thought of having his physical talents at his disposal. Willis allows him to use his entire playbook, including the entire RPO section. Does anyone really think Love is a running threat?

Watching Live, I felt the same, that it was probably going to be at the last second that it would go 10 yards, and then it just shot over the 45 yd line. It's like baseball on Defense, be aggressive, play the ball, don't let the ball play you.

Difference is in baseball you don't have 4 guys running straight at you when you're trying to get the ball. You have to keep enough space to actually try to field it. Everyone wants to $**T all over Doubs, but I doubt many would have done much better in that case.

 

[BrokenArrow]

And he is throwing the ball really well

I hate to say this, but part of me would be curious to see what would happen if Love had to miss half of the season and Willis went on a 7 or 8 game tear. It would certainly spark a conversation. I love Love because he's a great guy, but Willis is truly a great guy too. Right now, today, I want Love in a playoff game, but I think Willis has a higher ceiling.

 

[chemist]

It's not all on him. If MLF understood the value of a FG he wouldn't have been put in that position to begin with. You never leave points on the field when you have a chance to go up early on the road.

That sounds like MLF is damned if you do or damned if you dont. When he goes for the value play of a FG he gets blasted for our poor red zone metric of not getting TDs.
If he goes for TDs he gets beat up for not understanding the value of a FG when you are away.

The only thing i thought they could do differently when close to the endzone with willis as the QB was to call a fake handoff to wilson going to the right , let the defense bite then have willis pull it back and use his speed to go around the left end.
Teams with running QBs that have enough speed use that mis direction play often.

 

[gopkrs]

And he is throwing the ball really well

I really hated that pass attempt on 4th down to Doubs on an out just past the goal line. He wasn't open! I'm not sure, could we have gotten a 1st? Anyway, I saw Reed or Golden with the defender playing off a couple steps into the end zone. I thought, just take a couple steps and turn around. But it looked to me like Jordan had made up his mind even before the hike. Not good not to keep an open mind on that kind of play.

 

[Sanguine camper]

I hate to say this, but part of me would be curious to see what would happen if Love had to miss half of the season and Willis went on a 7 or 8 game tear. It would certainly spark a conversation. I love Love because he's a great guy, but Willis is truly a great guy too. Right now, today, I want Love in a playoff game, but I think Willis has a higher ceiling.

Packers have made their decision about their QB of the future with the monster contract to Love. No matter how well Willis plays, he's not going to oust Love. For that to happen, it would mean the Packers screwed up on a contract worth more than 250 million dollars.

I like both Willis and Love for different reasons, but Willis will never get his shot to be a starting QB in Green Bay if both players are healthy.

 

[DoURant]

Difference is in baseball you don't have 4 guys running straight at you when you're trying to get the ball. You have to keep enough space to actually try to field it. Everyone wants to $**T all over Doubs, but I doubt many would have done much better in that case.

Not S#thing on him, just saying he let the ball play him... he moved back 3 steps at the end.

https://x.com/i/status/2002609209565655463

 

[DoURant]

This was on the TD in OT... nothing to see here, just a handful of jersey keeping Walker away from Williams.

 

[BrokenArrow]

That sounds like MLF is damned if you do or damned if you dont. When he goes for the value play of a FG he gets blasted for our poor red zone metric of not getting TDs.
If he goes for TDs he gets beat up for not understanding the value of a FG when you are away.

Not really. If anyone thinks red zone stats are more important than points, then I'm not sure that person is thinking straight. Joe Gibbs once said he would never, ever apologize for putting points on the board.

 

[BrokenArrow]

This was on the TD in OT... nothing to see here, just a handful of jersey keeping Walker away from Williams.

Yep. Saw that. Not sure why the NFL has rules at all. They only call holding when they want to and rarely call PI anymore either.

 

[milani]

They did that bs Seattle and even told bostick to not touch the ball . He still did

Doubs should have had the ball. He doesn’t need the coach to say hold on to it

Not just him. The kick can go anywhere. We had 3 timeouts on the board with a 7 point lead. Maybe the most important play of the year. Heightening the awareness and the importance can only help. We recover that and with the field position we likely win.

Yeah, but does that make it better, or worse? Either way we're either not up to the task, or else we choked it away.

As for the red zone problems, they were an issue early in the season, got cleaned up, and now they're back again.

I feel bad for Willis, he came in and played well enough to win, but then we bungled the onside kick (deja vu).

By the way, for some reason the Bears dirty hits on our quarterbacks kind of remind me of Charles Martin and Vince McMahon. Maybe a little karma coming back to bite us there, many years later.

I still vividly recall the 1968 Don Horn game in which **** Butkus smashed Starr's head into the ground. And no penalty.

 

[rdawsoniii]

As far as not making Postseason. I think that’s a topic for about 24+ teams every season. There’s a large contingency of Goid NFL teams who don’t make a playoff lock until Week 17-18. That’s not just a GB problem.

GB needs to Win 1 game and their playoff probability meter jumps dramatically. I think that’s a very attainable position. At 10-5-1 only 11 Win teams can pass us. Detroit will need to Win out and that is not easy. Obviously our best avenue is to just go 2-0 and put a bow on it. Neither opponent is some top seeded powerhouse.

Once the postseason comes. There isn’t a team out there that’s unbeatable. Everyone is back to winless to start postseason. Plus injuries are happening to other teams also. Lots of things can change in 3 weeks, just ask KC as one example. Guys return, guys go out, teams adjust or rise a little overall a little. Never say never.

The Packers are not making the playoffs. They will have to win the last two….I don’t see it. The Lions will win their last three.

 

[milani]

The Packers are not making the playoffs. They will have to win the last two….I don’t see it. The Lions will win their last three.

Think they will beat the Bears with seeding on the line? And the Vikings?

 

[BrokenArrow]

One thing the Bears do that we don't is play a full 60 minutes a game, they finish strong.

I truly think the Bears just won their last game this year. We'll likely see them or the Lions again in 3 weeks.