The game vs the Patriots

[Forget Favre]

It was time for me to take out the trash and to put all the Cheaters fans on "ignore."
Much, much better now.
No more junk in the way to discuss and read about this upcoming game among only my fellow Packers fans.

Sorry, but there is just something I find so annoying when fans of opposing teams come here since I don't go over and muck up their forums.
No need to read from them since they really don't have anything important to write and add anyway. Just here to brag and troll about their team.
Ignorance is bliss and I like it that way!

 

[Jdeed]

The Pats are going to do the same thing as they did with the Lions WR's.

Also did you notice how all Brady's passes were less than 20 yards downfield?

How is the Packers Middle Defense doing this year?

 

[Mklangelo]

I think of the artist.
Are you Italian?

Nah. Me mum was born in Liverpool. lol

 

[NHPatsFan]

Hmmm forget farve calls us trolls when most of us try discuss the game!? Hmmm whose the troll?

 

[Mklangelo]

So he gets the blame wherever he goes?
Maybe, as it is now as it was then, the players instead.

Not sure who, but one of these Pat fans chastised someone for stats out of context.

Pretty much a stupid cheap shot on Capers. I've had my gripes about him this year but he has made adjustments that seem to be working so far.

 

[Mklangelo]

Hmmm forget farve calls us trolls when most of us try discuss the game!? Hmmm whose the troll?

I will have to admit that it was our people that got stupid first. I witnessed it. I have no problem with you guys being here.

 

[red4tribe]

Sigh this arguments so OLD! Let's not let facts like the winningest franchise since then been to 2 more SB where amazing catches cost them the wins in. And oh ya the first ever 16-0 reg season.

But let's check the pack out since 1996 been to ONE SB , Pats been to 5. So ya when the pack gonna suck it up and do something when it counts ie PLAYOFFS! (To all called sarcasm here hate spygate trolls)

I agree with you that spygate didn't make much of a difference as the Patriots are two Eli Manning miracle passes away from winning five Super Bowls. Spygate is absolutely overdone and it's hard not to admire the historic run of success the Patriots have had. But let's not turn this into a "your franchise sucks blah blah blah" argument. Starting from 1992, the two teams have been in a combined nine Super Bowls, and have nearly identical records. The Patriots have 132 wins, the Packers 130, which I believe are the two best in that time frame. We are talking about two great franchises here with long runs of success.

 

[Jdeed]

Hmmm forget farve calls us trolls when most of us try discuss the game!? Hmmm whose the troll?

It's going to be a game where NE could win it or GB could win it everyone has to face that.

I agree with you that spygate didn't make much of a difference as the Patriots are two Eli Manning miracle passes away from winning five Super Bowls. Spygate is absolutely overdone and it's hard not to admire the historic run of success the Patriots have had. But let's not turn this into a "your franchise sucks blah blah blah" argument. Starting from 1992, the two teams have been in a combined nine Super Bowls, and have nearly identical records. The Patriots have 132 wins, the Packers 130, which I believe are the two best in that time frame. We are talking about two great franchises here with long runs of success.

I agree this is a game of the two best teams in the modern era IMHO.

NE right now is a little better, but the Packers have Home Field so this should be a close game and could go either way with a bounce here or there.

 

[Mklangelo]

I don't even remember when spygate happened but is a stupid and outdated criticism.

 

[Mklangelo]

Nah. Me mum was born in Liverpool. lol

But I'm a Milwaukee boy through and through. Now living in the deep south.

 

[NHPatsFan]

I will have to admit that it was our people that got stupid first. I witnessed it. I have no problem with you guys being here.

I don't get the animosity, not like we face eachother that much !? I get the AFC teams whining about us but not NFC teams. (Hell I didn't mind the Lions till they became cheap shot artists at the end of Sundays game)

 

[Jdeed]

I don't get the animosity, not like we face eachother that much !? I get the AFC teams whining about us but not NFC teams. (Hell I didn't mind the Lions till they became cheap shot artists at the end of Sundays game)

Meh, I have seen a lot of teams take cheap shots during games they just did it at the end when they got mad.

 

[Mklangelo]

I don't get the animosity, not like we face eachother that much !? I get the AFC teams whining about us but not NFC teams. (Hell I didn't mind the Lions till they became cheap shot artists at the end of Sundays game)

Unfortunately that has been their MO for some time.

I think that it's the fact that this is a Marquee match-up and a somewhat historic one as well. Anytime two future HOF QB's go against each other for the first time, it is very noteworthy.

Not to mention two of the best run franchises in all of sports history. It just means more for those reasons and probably some others I can't think at the moment.

And frankly this is the biggest test we shall have this year.

I would sure like another shot at those arrogant Seahawks. They sure are fond of themselves.

Like Lombardi said "act like you been there before" They hadn't won one prior to last year so they didn't know how to act. They really were not very classy about it.

 

[Carl]

Sigh this arguments so OLD! Let's not let facts like the winningest franchise since then been to 2 more SB where amazing catches cost them the wins in. And oh ya the first ever 16-0 reg season.

But let's check the pack out since 1996 been to ONE SB , Pats been to 5. So ya when the pack gonna suck it up and do something when it counts ie PLAYOFFS! (To all called sarcasm here hate spygate trolls)

Actually, Packers have been to two Superbowls since then.

Still not five obvisously, but just pointing that out.

 

[NHPatsFan]

Actually, Packers have been to two Superbowls since then.

Still not five obvisously, but just pointing that out.

My bad! Again was a tongue in cheek response trying make that person realize how foolish they sounded nothing more. GB a great franchise, just trying make a point to one silly GB fan lol

 

[Forget Favre]

I don't even remember when spygate happened but is a stupid and outdated criticism.

Once a cheater always a cheater.

Those three Lombardis they have are not well earned. Neither is the Taints one.

 

[NHPatsFan]

Ok I had ignore forget farve their comments just baiting us pats fans!

 

[HardRightEdge]

The Pats are going to do the same thing as they did with the Lions WR's.

Also did you notice how all Brady's passes were less than 20 yards downfield?

How is the Packers Middle Defense doing this year?

It's a vulnerability, though improved with Matthews moving to ILB on more than half his snaps. That said, when you move your All-Pro edge rusher to ILB, you know something's amiss that's not limited to one weak position.

Hawk grows increasingly slow. He's become like the overseer who wanders the field pointing instructions to his farmhands with his cane. The dirty work, like run blitzes, are left to Matthews as Will backer. The ILB/nickel back/safety tackling has been shoddy at times. This is a defense that MUST motor and pursue to limit yards after catch, which would seem to be a particular necessity against the Brady underneath passing game. There's not much physicality in the middle of the field. Unfortunately high energy pursuit seems to arise only when McCarthy calls out the defense for bad tackling in the press. I did not see that this week.

Burnett and Hyde are the decent tacklers most of the time in this group; Clinton-Dix not so much as he tends to fly in for a low strike and misses too often. They're all pretty good coverage guys, except Hyde lacks the speed to stay with WRs/slot guys running down the seam. Richardson is the 3rd./4th. safety depending where Hyde is slotted at the moment. Richardson is the most physical of the bunch, though not quite with it as regards Capers' complexities and not a man coverage guy...he might have a role in zone defending all those passes Brady likes to throw between the back of the box and under the safeties.

The Packers had Matthews on the sidelines for several 3rd. and long plays against Minnesota with Hawk out there in coverage. I saw 3 such instances; there may have been more. If I see that again I expect Brady to be enjoying some lunch.

 

[TB3XSBW]

Once a cheater always a cheater.

Those three Lombardis they have are not well earned. Neither is the Taints one.

What the team did during "Spygate" did not provide any kind of advantage. This has been well established by now. Many head coaches (including HOF head coach Jimmy Johnson) have stated that their teams did the same thing and there was not much to be gained. NE could have done the exact same thing with a pen and paper instead of a camera and it would have been 100% legal.

Nice try though.

 

[DaveRoller]

The Pats are going to do the same thing as they did with the Lions WR's.

Also did you notice how all Brady's passes were less than 20 yards downfield?

How is the Packers Middle Defense doing this year?

The middle of our defense (also knows as the soft underbelly the past 4 seasons) is patrolled by former top 5 pick AJ Hawk. Are NE fans not yet aware of Hawk's greatness?

AJ is by far the most assignment sure ILBer the NFL has ever seen.

Now apparently, AJ is not given typical assignments for a 3-4 ILBer, because he is usually seen making a tackle 8+ yards downfield, (usually "assisting" on the tackle by jumping on top of the pile).

Last week, Hawk showed his unparalleled athleticism by staying within 5-7 yards of Viking tight end Kyle Rudolph on a simple pass over the middle (naysayers have pointed out that Rudolph was never fast and, coming off an injury, was even slower than usual, but true Packer fans recognize AJ's worth).

Also beware, AJ is due for his first fumble recovery, forced fumble, or interception of the season. Got to come some time, right?

Furthermore, while the Pack's run D has been substandard for several years now (currently 30th best in the NFL), AJ is never, ever to blame. Longtime DLinemen like Pickett & Jolly have been replaced, the ILBers next to AJ have been replaced again and again, but there is one constant in the middle of the Pack's D - AJ Hawk.

Oh, and if Hawk get injured (something that never happens as he avoids collisions better than any linebacker I've ever seen), the Pack will unleash former starter Brad Jones. Then the Pats are really, really in trouble.

I am sure BB, Brady, Gronk, Blount, etc. are quaking in their boots anticipating the physicality and athleticism they will face in AJ Hawk on Sunday.

 

[TB3XSBW]

I am sure BB, Brady, Gronk, Blount, etc. are quaking in their boots anticipating the physicality and athleticism they will face in AJ Hawk on Sunday.

Everything else you stated may be true, but I assure you that NE isn't shaking in their boots due to anyone's physicality - especially Gronk who is one of the most physical players in the league.

 

[JBlood]

I always wonder about other fans coming here before game day to boast about their teams. The Steelers fans being the worst, by far. Personally, I'd stay away from discussions of team dominance if I were a fan of any other team, unless the team had 13 Championships; or even 3 Championships in a row--not necessarily more than once. Then that team might have something really unique about it. And, of course, the universal argument is always about our Championships in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 60s, 90s, and the current millennium which, somehow, have become irrelevant today. Talk about old.

The Pats have had pretty good success the last decade or so. I'll give them that. Brady is a very good QB, but much more susceptible to pressure than Rogers. If we put pressure on Brady, like the Dolphins were able to do, we'll win going away. And that will get us quite a bit closer to Championship no. 14; and even further from 3.

 

[TB3XSBW]

I always wonder about other fans coming here before game day to boast about their teams. The Steelers fans being the worst, by far. Personally, I'd stay away from discussions of team dominance if I were a fan of any other team, unless the team had 13 Championships; or even 3 Championships in a row--not necessarily more than once. Then that team might have something really unique about it. And, of course, the universal argument is always about our Championships in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 60s, 90s, and the current millennium which, somehow, have become irrelevant today. Talk about old.

The Pats have had pretty good success the last decade or so. I'll give them that. Brady is a very good QB, but much more susceptible to pressure than Rogers. If we put pressure on Brady, like the Dolphins were able to do, we'll win going away. And that will get us quite a bit closer to Championship no. 14; and even further from 3.

Well, of course. But do you think you've got a better Dline than Detroit's?

 

[Mklangelo]

Well, of course. But do you think you've got a better Dline than Detroit's?

No.

But what has that to do with the price of rice in China?

 

[TJV]

Peppers, Matthews, Hyde, maybe even some Richardson in 3 safety nickel and dime. It would be uncharacteristic of Capers to depart from his formulations for one player, especially if it means playing man coverage all day.

Agreed on Capers, he is likely to use multiple schemes. For those in need of raising their blood pressure, check out this jsonline piece: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...ain-rob-gronkowski-b99396267z1-283783811.html It asks if Brad Jones may be used to defense Gronkowski. Jones did replace Hawk in the dime and considering how bad Hawk is in coverage, he needs replacing in the dime. Not sure Jones is the best option though. I’d like to see them try Richardson in that role. Yes he’s a safety and gives up about 25 pounds to Jones but he likes contact and has to be better in coverage than Jones. The only way I see Peppers being used vs. Gronk is disrupting his route at the LOS. Clay should be effective covering Gronk but I wouldn’t expect them to use him in that role much.

In addition to having Clay line up in the middle, I’d like to see Richardson on the field more, and not just against the Pats.