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Not sure which league you've been watching to say Rogders isn't in a class by himself. I'm sick of the meaningless back and forth.

Take any of the top tier QB's active right now. None have the mobility and the play extending ability of Rodgers nor do any of them have the ability to throw against the grain, cross field on the run with the accuracy of Rogers. Nobody sees the ENTIRE field better either. Case in point that TD throw to the Other Rodgers against the Yikes.

And yes, I am cognizant of the fact that the Pats have a nice Defense. But as I mentioned on a post a few days ago, Minnesota's is better and the Packers beat them with what was most assuredly a lackluster performance. The Vikes are not that far away from being a very strong team. Bridgewater has a great deal of poise in the pocket. More than any rookie I can name off the top of my head.

We will put up points on your Pats. And your Pats will put up points on the Pack.

This, IMHO will be a shootout.

He's in the top 3 for sure. An excellent QB who is definitely top tier. No one is questioning his ability. However, he's not unstoppable. A good game plan + talented defensive personnel can limit his output. The best defense he has played this year has been Seattle and they kept GB to 16 points. He hasn't faced a secondary that talented since then.

You claim Minnesota's D is better than NE's. That couldn't be further from the truth. Minnesota has played two good offenses this year and gave up 30 points one game (to a NE team that was struggling at the time) and 42 in the other to GB. Other than that they haven't faced any good competition. And they're only 2 spots better than NE in yards allowed per game but they give up more points than we do.

As far as the passing D, Minnesota's QB rating allowed is 94.7 and NE's is 82. This is after NE has played the likes of Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck.

You can't simply look at the stats without context. You also can't ignore the game planning. We play a lot of bend-but-don't break defense. We always have - even during the SB years. We may give up yards between the 20s but we're strong in the red zone and we create a ton of turnovers. Plus, we can actually cover this year. Reggie Wayne said a couple of weeks ago that this is the best and most complete Pats secondary he has ever seen. And he was there during the Pats/Colts rivalry back when NE won their championships. I completely agree with him.

Don't underestimate Belichick's ability to game plan for your best players and to limit them substantially. If you win, it'll have to be someone other than Cobb or Nelson who beats us.
 

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Not a bad analysis but if the packers put ANYONE 1 on 1 with Gronk, Brady will torch them every time ESPECISLLY Peppers, he will not stay w Gronk period. That be plain dumb IMO.

Also Gronk isn't the only big play guy, Edelman on punt returns can put the dagger in as well. He has at least twice been the dagger that killed opposing teams BEFORE HALF!
 

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Not a bad analysis but if the packers put ANYONE 1 on 1 with Gronk, Brady will torch them every time ESPECISLLY Peppers, he will not stay w Gronk period. That be plain dumb IMO.

Also Gronk isn't the only big play guy, Edelman on punt returns can put the dagger in as well. He has at least twice been the dagger that killed opposing teams BEFORE HALF!

Peppers rushes the QB way more than he drops back and when does drop back, it's been into a zone. No way Peppers would be 1 and 1 with Gronk because of course it would be stupid.
 

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He's in the top 3 for sure. An excellent QB who is definitely top tier. No one is questioning his ability. However, he's not unstoppable. A good game plan + talented defensive personnel can limit his output. The best defense he has played this year has been Seattle and they kept GB to 16 points. He hasn't faced a secondary that talented since then.

You claim Minnesota's D is better than NE's. That couldn't be further from the truth. Minnesota has played two good offenses this year and gave up 30 points one game (to a NE team that was struggling at the time) and 42 in the other to GB. Other than that they haven't faced any good competition. And they're only 2 spots better than NE in yards allowed per game but they give up more points than we do.

As far as the passing D, Minnesota's QB rating allowed is 94.7 and NE's is 82. This is after NE has played the likes of Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck.

You can't simply look at the stats without context. You also can't ignore the game planning. We play a lot of bend-but-don't break defense. We always have - even during the SB years. We may give up yards between the 20s but we're strong in the red zone and we create a ton of turnovers. Plus, we can actually cover this year. Reggie Wayne said a couple of weeks ago that this is the best and most complete Pats secondary he has ever seen. And he was there during the Pats/Colts rivalry back when NE won their championships. I completely agree with him.

Don't underestimate Belichick's ability to game plan for your best players and to limit them substantially. If you win, it'll have to be someone other than Cobb or Nelson who beats us.

Of course he's not unstoppable. I could say the same thing about Brady, Manning, or any QB. Brady has had some off games this year as well.
 

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Peppers rushes the QB way more than he drops back and when does drop back, it's been into a zone. No way Peppers would be 1 and 1 with Gronk because of course it would be stupid.
Hey that's what the guy suggested lol.
Like I said Brady sees anyone 1 on 1 with him GRONK getting the ball lol
 

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I'm interested in what the visiting Pats fans think of this analysis of the Patriots by one of the Packers beat writers: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...super-bowl-preview-b99397436z1-283930521.html

Good write-up by McGinn. His scouting report on the Pats is very thorough and accurate. Since week 4, the Patriots (much like GB) have found their identity and have not looked back. To judge either team on weeks 1-4 is just plain foolish!

The other point he brings up, which can't be emphasized enough, is NE's offensive ability to be a "chameleon". With 4 reliable RB's who all have different skill sets and a similar group of receivers, the Pats can scheme up all sorts of different game plans. No one knows what they will do on Sunday....
 

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This sort of comparison really means nothing and it does not make sense.

IMO, the more relevant comparison would be "Jordy Nelson vs. Pats CB's" and "Brandon LaFell vs Pack CB's". It's not like Nelson and LaFell will be battling each other, is it? ....

I was comparing Patriots players that I would trade for their direct replacement on the Packers. ie which players I think are superior who are in a Packers uniform.
 

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AND... I wouldn't crow to hard about beating Indy. The combined winning percentage of teams they have beat is only .390. Indy are VASTLY overrated.

Combined winning percentage of teams the Pats have beat: .480

Combined winning percentage of teams the Pack have beat: .430

We're talking here about 3/100th's of a point in difference in Quality of Opposition here.
Nothing to hang you're hat on, IMHO. :whistling:
 
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Mkangelo,

What I take pride in is HOW they have won against:

Denver - held a FULLY HEALTHY team to 21 points, arguably one of the best O in the NFL

INDY - held the #1 scoring O in the NFL at the time to only 20 points.

Detroit - Scored 34 points on the "best" D in the league.

This 7 game stretch the D been playing better and better and those three teams I listed all have winning records. Heck this is the best the pats have done against playoff caliber teams in YEARS! Our 2 losses IMO if we replayed those teams now the Pats stomp both KC and Miami.
 

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AND... I wouldn't crow to hard about beating Indy. They've beaten just two teams with winning records (Baltimore and Cincinnati) The combined winning percentage of teams they have beat is only .390. Indy are VASTLY overrated.

Combined winning percentage of teams the Pats have beat: .480

Combined winning percentage of teams the Pack have beat: .430

We're talking here about 3/100th's of a point in difference in Quality of Opposition here.
Nothing to hang you're hat on, IMHO. :whistling:

4 of those opponents have been division leaders. One of them an 8 win team who went to the SB last year. We haven't just beaten these teams. We've destroyed them on both sides of the ball.
 

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The Lions thought they would get Pressure too.
AND... I wouldn't crow to hard about beating Indy. The combined winning percentage of teams they have beat is only .390. Indy are VASTLY overrated.

Combined winning percentage of teams the Pats have beat: .480

Combined winning percentage of teams the Pack have beat: .430

We're talking here about 3/100th's of a point in difference in Quality of Opposition here.
Nothing to hang you're hat on, IMHO. :whistling:

Beating DEN, INDY, and DET the last 3 does matter because they were all 20+ point wins against TOP 10 teams.

and .390 is closer to .430 than .430 is closer to .480 btw. ;)

GB has got to stop the run period, if the Pats are allowed to run all over the field it will be a long long day.
 
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If you wanna get right down to it we kind of have a gimmick defense too.
It took awhile for someone to get around to that truth. Nobody will ever accuse a Capers defense of just lining up and playing.
 
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The Lions thought they would get Pressure too.


Beating DEN, INDY, and DET the last 3 does matter because they were all 20+ point wins against TOP 10 teams.

and .390 is closer to .430 than .430 is closer to .480 btw. ;)

GB has got to stop the run period, if the Pats are allowed to run all over the field it will be a long long day.
Hey, the only Packer win I'm really impressed with this year is dismantling division leading Philly on BOTH sides of the ball.

Well, if truth be told, that fake spike to put Miami away was pretty cool but it should have never come to that. Don't know if Miami ever led their division or not.

But honestly, Indy is highly overrated.

And, yes, NE has faced a tougher schedule than the Pack.

But I would certainly not mistake the Packers as they are at this particular moment in time with the one's that got beat by the Lions in week 3 by a score of 19-7.
 
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Here's a fact that ties into the "strength of opposition" discussion....

In their past 3 games, the Patriots have beaten 3 division leaders (at the time they played) by 20+ pts each game. This has not been done since 1960. Will the Pats add ANOTHER division leader to their "path of destruction" on Sunday?

They also beat another division leader by 20+ when they beat Cincy down on 10/5...

I believe NE is "battle hardened" and will not melt down against a high quality opponent.
 

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It took awhile for someone to get around to that truth. Nobody will ever accuse a Capers defense of just lining up and playing.

Do people realize that Capers spent a year in NE before going to GB? NE's defense was a disaster under Capers... :poop:
 
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Peppers rushes the QB way more than he drops back and when does drop back, it's been into a zone. No way Peppers would be 1 and 1 with Gronk because of course it would be stupid.
Peppers, Matthews, Hyde, maybe even some Richardson in 3 safety nickel and dime. It would be uncharacteristic of Capers to depart from his formulations for one player, especially if it means playing man coverage all day.

I'd look for a heavy dose of zone blitzes, giving up the underneath and playing for the stop in the red zone...familiar Capers fare. Hawk is over matched in pass D against these guys; he looks slower by the week, getting outrun by a gimpy Randolph in the most recent effort. A 3 three-safety set on passing downs with Richardson playing box safety sounds better the more I think about it.
 

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You can talk up your Cindy Brady all you want to.
It's real easy to be a winning QB on a team that cheats.
Cheaters and Bill-A-Cheat have not won a SB since they were caught cheating.
Hmmm.....
What a coincidence!
 

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You can talk up your Cindy Brady all you want to.
It's real easy to be a winning QB on a team that cheats.
Cheaters and Bill-A-Cheat have not won a SB since they were caught cheating.
Hmmm.....
What a coincidence!
Sigh this arguments so OLD! Let's not let facts like the winningest franchise since then been to 2 more SB where amazing catches cost them the wins in. And oh ya the first ever 16-0 reg season.

But let's check the pack out since 1996 been to ONE SB , Pats been to 5. So ya when the pack gonna suck it up and do something when it counts ie PLAYOFFS! (To all called sarcasm here hate spygate trolls)
 

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