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Just saw a stat for wildcard weekend. LOVE had the highest quarterback rating...out of 10 QBs ...one game left tonight.
I noticed that also. 2nd highest passer rating behind Josh Allen I think it was

We’ve got good things to build around. But our OL and iDL needs help. I’d like to fix 1 or both through FA. This time no project type or projection. Get a the best known Quantity pair in that $15-20Mil area combined. With Diggs here we can go after a CB between R2-4
 

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Despite our kicker striking out and our offense going out to lunch in the 3rd quarter the Packers should win when they score 27. The Bears got 31, Broncos 34, Cowboys 40, and Ravens 41 against us. The other 13 games were less.
 

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Are you watching GB players and coaches, The Texans are giving the Steelers offense a clinic on smash mouth, punch mouth, and just a serious beat down, with no mercy, that’s how a “D” performs in a playoff game.
 

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Are you watching GB players and coaches, The Texans are giving the Steelers offense a clinic on smash mouth, punch mouth, and just a serious beat down, with no mercy, that’s how a “D” performs in a playoff game.
Thinking of the Pats- Texans. The game could be 9-6.
 

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You know I have my share of gripes with LaFleur but I don’t really know that we can put anything about the 28-3 on him.
He was just the QB coach at the time (and coached Matt Ryan to his only MVP)…
He was probably carrying his cursed tiki god totem around with him.
He should really get rid of that thing.
 
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Despite our kicker striking out and our offense going out to lunch in the 3rd quarter the Packers should win when they score 27. The Bears got 31, Broncos 34, Cowboys 40, and Ravens 41 against us. The other 13 games were less.
Exactly.
I always like to categorize the Losses. As we look at that list from 1,000 feet and profile the similar Losses we can see creative pattern.

We have a Week 4 Loss where we allowed 37 points in regulation and 7 points on a Love fumble at the GB15.
Point here isn’t making excuses, it’s looking at timing of these losses and I credit our Defense with at maximum a Net 33pts plus lousy field condition to add +4 points. While even 30p-34 points allowed isn’t good? Dallas ranked #1 on offense when it happened and it was in Dallas. So we clearly had a down game against the best Offense, yet we didn’t lose.


The other 3 Big Point Losses were
Weeks 15,17,19. So the pattern here is late season. I think we both know that losing Micah and Devonte were critical. Lukas also missing time factored too. Our best DT and best Edge season ended. So we’d expect some drop off. What I think happened is along the way we found out our depth wasn’t very good. We signed TWO unknown DT’s in December and we had TWO Rookies and 1 was sick. Now we did trade Clark also so we were already razor thin at starting level DT.

Those are areas to improve. We need to go get an upgrade at DT (someone like Christen Miller or similar) to pair with Wyatt and to buffer the position in the meantime. No way should Jordon Riley and Quinton Bohanna be starting together against a #1 Run Offense (Baltimore). What a nightmare scenario, but we can bolster that and Brinson and Stackhouse got some experience for depth pieces.
 
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If you’re a believer in karma, McManus missing 3 kicks is a pretty fitting penalty from the football gods for the complete loser move of calling a timeout with 1 second in a meaningless game to kick a field goal to lose 16-3 instead of 16-0.

“Sure thing Matt, you can have those 3 points. But I’m taking back 7 from him next week.”
Some players have come out in support of MLF staying on.
I hope policy gives him a choice...if you want to stay here as HC then you will give up your control freak inisistence of calling plays. We will have a OC who solely does that job, while you oversee and manage.
Take it or leave it .
 

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Much like Nixon deciding to leap onto a pile and drawing a personal foul. I mean who does that? This is something you learn in High School football not to do.

I have to hand it to the Bears. Even when they were getting their butts kicked on the scoreboard, they were delivering some big hits, some that I thought were out of bounds and late, but they got away with it. I know a lot of people love Hafley, but I never really saw that anger and toughness from our defense. If I did, it was usually delivered in the wrong way, after the whistle and in boneheaded ways.
Nixon seems to be good for one truly stupid PF every game. Jumping on top of the pile after the whistle was just....... stupid.
 

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So now you are moving the goal post? ;)

Like I said, the first kick didn't matter, but it seemed important to your point and you said it twice yourself. CBS disagrees with you too (below).

I am not making any excuses for McManus, I just don't like when people present a false narrative to try and make their point.

That missed 55 yarder didn't bother me all that much, the missed XP and 44 yarder, that bothered me.

"After missing just one kick in his first five playoff games, he melted down in Chicago with three misses against the Bears. The first miss by McManus came on the final play before halftime. He actually hit a 55-yard field goal, but it didn't count, because Bears coach Ben Johnson called a timeout. McManus then tried the kick again and sent it wide left. Considering the cold weather and the wind, it's hard to hold this miss against him, but things only got uglier after that."
Agreed. The missed 55 yarder - I can let that one go, on a windy winter night in Chicago. It was a little tough to take because his first attempt was good.

But the XP miss and the 44 yard FG miss - that shouldn't happen, ever. McManus seemed shaky all night, a little strange for a guy who played in the SB, and has otherwise been pretty reliable for GB.
 

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Some players have come out in support of MLF staying on.
I hope policy gives him a choice...if you want to stay here as HC then you will give up your control freak inisistence of calling plays. We will have a OC who solely does that job, while you oversee and manage.
Take it or leave it .
Regardless of the actual personnel, a good org structure has the HC reporting to the GM, and the OC and DC reporting to the HC.

What you suggest makes sense, a lot of sense. I just don't see MLF giving up play calling. He's a glorified OC, much like MM was.

And even that would be ok - but MLF has lost his creativity. You can see his calls from a mile away.

I'm on the fence about whether he stays or goes. One thing in his favor, he has the respect of the locker room. The guys love playing for him. Might be best to not mess with that. Let him play out the last year of his contract and make a decision either during or after the next season.
 

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i saw on the net that MLF was getting an extention, of course is the net and could be a lie, but if is true it will be the biggest mistake to extend this guy , the writing is on the wall based on his oerformance the last five games and the bears blow out ( their main rival) his time is up, any extention Packers will owe money for ever while MLF will continue to fail
I hope Policy is smarter than that and be realistic as to how MLF has been going south the last few years
 

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Love had nothug to do with the team collapsing , is all MLF he is the head coach and the bucks stops with him
49 ners had injuries but Shanahan as great coach he is, not <LF, took charge and did what he had to do with his team injuries
Please do not excuse the Packers collapse due to injuries, the buck stops with the HC and MLF failed miserable and embarrassed the Packers tradition
this is worse than when Bart Starr was coach and had losing seasons
Ah, no. The teams under Bart were worse than this. Bart had no business being a HC when we hired him. He was woefully unprepared for that job AND being the GM. This gaff was made even more egregious when we kept him on for 9 years! Yikes.
 
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I noticed that also. 2nd highest passer rating behind Josh Allen I think it was

We’ve got good things to build around. But our OL and iDL needs help. I’d like to fix 1 or both through FA. This time no project type or projection. Get a the best known Quantity pair in that $15-20Mil area combined. With Diggs here we can go after a CB between R2-4
I'm still trying to figure out why Diggs didn't play more.
 

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I'm still trying to figure out why Diggs didn't play more.
Maybe for the same reason why the Packers signed Tramon Williams just before the NFC Championship Game in 2020, only to not play him at all and watch Kevin King get burned by Scottie Miller to end the first half and commit a PI to end the game.
 

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Regardless of the actual personnel, a good org structure has the HC reporting to the GM, and the OC and DC reporting to the HC.

What you suggest makes sense, a lot of sense. I just don't see MLF giving up play calling. He's a glorified OC, much like MM was.

And even that would be ok - but MLF has lost his creativity. You can see his calls from a mile away.

I'm on the fence about whether he stays or goes. One thing in his favor, he has the respect of the locker room. The guys love playing for him. Might be best to not mess with that. Let him play out the last year of his contract and make a decision either during or after the next season.

I hope MLF overhauls is coaching staff. I did hear our illustrious ST coach is not coming back so that's a start.

Has there been any news on teams interviewing Hadley?
 

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I'm still trying to figure out why Diggs didn't play more.

My guess is that they didn't exactly like what they saw out of his 33 snaps against the Vikings. That and/or they felt that Nixon and Valentine, who both played on all 75 of the defensive snaps, were their best options.

I don't think Diggs was hurt, he played in 100% of the snaps for the Cowboys on 12/25, his last game with them and then the 50% against the Vikings.

Maybe had the Packers won and moved on, we see more of him as he becomes comfortable in the Packer Defense, but for now, it was more if a future grab for the Packers.

I know this though, Diggs won't be a Packer for the 2026 season, unless he is willing to completely tear up his existing contract and sign a more reasonable one.
 

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My guess is that they didn't exactly like what they saw out of his 33 snaps against the Vikings. That and/or they felt that Nixon and Valentine, who both played on all 75 of the defensive snaps, were their best options.

I don't think Diggs was hurt, he played in 100% of the snaps for the Cowboys on 12/25, his last game with them and then the 50% against the Vikings.

Maybe had the Packers won and moved on, we see more of him as he becomes comfortable in the Packer Defense, but for now, it was more if a future grab for the Packers.

I know this though, Diggs won't be a Packer for the 2026 season, unless he is willing to completely tear up his existing contract and sign a more reasonable one.
Well they were full of crap when the press asked about him then, because Matt said he was really happy with what he saw out of Diggs in Minnesota and said he might even start in Chicago.
 

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Personally, I would keep Bisaccia. The problem is not him. Blaming the coach and then bringing in a new one isn't going to stop the trend.

I am not sure why we have an issue, but here are my guesses:

1. Not enough practice time devoted to ST. Not sure what other teams do, but I would like to know how it compares.
2. How we practice without discipline. Seems to me we make a lot of stupid mistakes, more than most teams. We need more emphasis on quality and coaches and player leadership being more stringent on mistakes. (I think this will help entire team)

3. Not enough consideration for ST during draft or just shaping roster.
 

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I am not sure why we have an issue, but here are my guesses:

1. Not enough practice time devoted to ST. Not sure what other teams do, but I would like to know how it compares.
I would be curious to see other teams' breakdowns as well. I will say, something I have heard in recent years (from more teams than just ours) is that the new(ish) CBA limits/reduces the available practice time during the week. So I think in some ways teams are having to be a bit more judicious about how they "ration" their practice time. Every live rep you give to ST is one you're taking away from the offense or the defense. I'm not sure what the "ratio" is there, you could probably make a case that it needs to be tweaked a bit though. But I don't know either if we're outside the norm on that or not.
2. How we practice without discipline. Seems to me we make a lot of stupid mistakes, more than most teams. We need more emphasis on quality and coaches and player leadership being more stringent on mistakes. (I think this will help entire team)
I would agree on this, although I was under the impression some of that would fall under the responsibility of the assistant head coach. Broadly speaking I think there is not a great deal of accountability going on.
3. Not enough consideration for ST during draft or just shaping roster.
This is probably the biggest one for me. Again I would have to compare to other teams to be sure....but it has at least felt like we have a tendency to view the bottom of the roster as our "developmental" spots. It's where we stash our late round draft picks, UDFAs, fringe roster players, guys we don't want poached, basically anyone we think COULD have an impact in the near (or semi-near) future. On the other hand I think you see other teams take a different philosophy - they use those spots more for dedicated "special teamers." For us we pretty much fill them out with our developmental players and then ask/expect those guys to also take on ST roles. It's not really in their wheelhouse (and a lot of them are young/inexperienced in the league in general)
Personally, I would keep Bisaccia. The problem is not him. Blaming the coach and then bringing in a new one isn't going to stop the trend.
I agree with all the reasons you've outlined above, but I think Bisaccia's gotta bear some culpability there. We've consistently had one of the worst special teams units in the league with him here. Now to be fair, that was largely the case before he arrived, but Rich is the highest-paid ST coordinator in the league. We promoted him to assistant head coach, and...it seems to have had no tangible benefit whatsoever. If anything, it didn't help out LaFleur with in-game decisions and our ST suffered. We've even started to reserve some more "ST only" roster spots and it still hasn't changed any. The whole McManus situation (Is he healthy? Is he hurt? Are we going to keep two kickers rostered indefinitely? Who's kicking this week? Is he healthy enough to start, but not healthy enough to kick long distances) was an absolute debacle. We've got the worst punt-return unit in the league, and our kick return and FG/XP units are all well below average.

Maybe some of that is due to circumstances outside of his control, and maybe a new coach won't be an instant fix, but at the end of the day you can't be the highest-paid in the league at your role while consistently producing some of the worst results in the league for your entire time in that role. If I'm a branch manager and my sales numbers are consistently the worst in my company's division, context or not I'm gonna have to answer for that.
 

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Some players have come out in support of MLF staying on.
I hope policy gives him a choice...if you want to stay here as HC then you will give up your control freak inisistence of calling plays. We will have a OC who solely does that job, while you oversee and manage.
Take it or leave it .
perfect agree 100% obviously he can not handled both
 

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I would be curious to see other teams' breakdowns as well. I will say, something I have heard in recent years (from more teams than just ours) is that the new(ish) CBA limits/reduces the available practice time during the week. So I think in some ways teams are having to be a bit more judicious about how they "ration" their practice time. Every live rep you give to ST is one you're taking away from the offense or the defense. I'm not sure what the "ratio" is there, you could probably make a case that it needs to be tweaked a bit though. But I don't know either if we're outside the norm on that or not.

I would agree on this, although I was under the impression some of that would fall under the responsibility of the assistant head coach. Broadly speaking I think there is not a great deal of accountability going on.

This is probably the biggest one for me. Again I would have to compare to other teams to be sure....but it has at least felt like we have a tendency to view the bottom of the roster as our "developmental" spots. It's where we stash our late round draft picks, UDFAs, fringe roster players, guys we don't want poached, basically anyone we think COULD have an impact in the near (or semi-near) future. On the other hand I think you see other teams take a different philosophy - they use those spots more for dedicated "special teamers." For us we pretty much fill them out with our developmental players and then ask/expect those guys to also take on ST roles. It's not really in their wheelhouse (and a lot of them are young/inexperienced in the league in general)

I agree with all the reasons you've outlined above, but I think Bisaccia's gotta bear some culpability there. We've consistently had one of the worst special teams units in the league with him here. Now to be fair, that was largely the case before he arrived, but Rich is the highest-paid ST coordinator in the league. We promoted him to assistant head coach, and...it seems to have had no tangible benefit whatsoever. If anything, it didn't help out LaFleur with in-game decisions and our ST suffered. We've even started to reserve some more "ST only" roster spots and it still hasn't changed any. The whole McManus situation (Is he healthy? Is he hurt? Are we going to keep two kickers rostered indefinitely? Who's kicking this week? Is he healthy enough to start, but not healthy enough to kick long distances) was an absolute debacle. We've got the worst punt-return unit in the league, and our kick return and FG/XP units are all well below average.

Maybe some of that is due to circumstances outside of his control, and maybe a new coach won't be an instant fix, but at the end of the day you can't be the highest-paid in the league at your role while consistently producing some of the worst results in the league for your entire time in that role. If I'm a branch manager and my sales numbers are consistently the worst in my company's division, context or not I'm gonna have to answer for that.
maybe not all the circumtances are NOT MLF fault but he is the HC and the buck stops with him
 

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Ah, no. The teams under Bart were worse than this. Bart had no business being a HC when we hired him. He was woefully unprepared for that job AND being the GM. This gaff was made even more egregious when we kept him on for 9 years! Yikes.
I dont recall Bart, as bad as he was, had the same collapses that MLF has shown lately, i could be mistaken but losing to the Bears after such a lead at half time has to go down as showing that MLF can not keep a lead and has no killer instinct when he is a head to put the other team away
 

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I hope MLF overhauls is coaching staff. I did hear our illustrious ST coach is not coming back so that's a start.

Has there been any news on teams interviewing Hadley?
you can overhaul all MLF coaching staff but when the problem is MLF you will continue to have problems , he is a glorified OC but nit a HC as he has shown over and over in the last 3 or 4 seasons
 

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