Turkey stud n dud

[BrokenArrow]

I understand their criticism, but that's who Dan Campbell is, the Lions live and die with his aggressiveness. His style is a big reason for their recent success; his aggressive philosophy emboldens his own team and intimidates their opponents to so degree. They're kind of the new Raiders - that aggression can get inside the heads of other teams, and take them off their game.

This is where Campbell has to show that he can adapt. He simply doesn't have the horses to consistently convert 4th downs this year, yet he continues to try. You have to be smart enough to understand your own strengths and weaknesses. Fortunately for the rest of the division, he seems to lack that capacity.

 

[gopkrs]

I'm only gonna mention 1 dud, and it's a position group. CBs have GOT to play better than they did yesterday. Valentine missed tackles, Nixon grabbing in coverage, Hobbs has to get out of the tub and back on the field so that Nixon can move back to where he's good...the nickel corner spot

Everything else to me looked at least a C+ grade

Not sure Hobbs has a place to play. Unless he fills in for a linebacker. He can't piay corner and Bullard is playing too good

 

[Sanguine camper]

Some media outlets (SI and I think the Milwaukee Sentinel) are still reporting ''significant ligament damage", but hopefully they're just not caught up with the official word. The thing is, it's not unheard of to have both at the same time, and the way his ankle bent sideways almost 90 degrees was worrisome - so maybe it is still possible, and the SI report was updated 40 minutes ago.

But I sure as hell hope they're wrong, and just haven't updated their content. That'd be a tough one for the poor guy, and be harder to recover from.

Yeah, I hope it's just a fracture. If it's both, that could take much longer to recover from and jeopardize the 2026 season. A play like the one that busted up Wyatt is the reason why players try to get as much cash in the present contract as possible. They're one play away from being finished.

 

[AmishMafia]

You asked what I noticed. How can I be wrong about what I noticed?

I did not ask you anything. My post you are quoting was my own response to LTF.

 

[gopkrs]

I did not ask you anything. My post you are quoting was my own response to LTF.

Accidentally responed to yours.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Looking at the next game the pass defense is not the big worry. It will be the run defense. If we do not stop the run Caleb will only need to throw 12-13 passes the whole game.

And he's liable to have a 158.3 and 100.0 on us

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Has to be the all-time highest grade you’ve ever given to any Packer, so there is that.

He plays for the Steelers go cry on their fan forum about the grades I've given him

 

[chemist]

Not sure Hobbs has a place to play. Unless he fills in for a linebacker. He can't piay corner and Bullard is playing too good

Anyone that criticizes Dan Campbell over his 4th down aggression yesterday, needs to put down the bottle. The dude has coached that way from day one, and is one of the big reasons the Lions have had so much success.

I have no problem with MLF being aggressive on 4th down, but for me, it really depends on what he did on 3rd down to get to that point and of course, what play he calls on 4th down. After that, success does help, but even in failure, if the calls and the situation to go were good and just well defended, then it is what it is.

I feel MLF called a great game, a very different kind of game, a necessary change that has been a long time coming.

Go with me on the following...
IMO the friday bears game vs the eagles was very similar to the game we played vs the eagles. Both our Ds held the eagles offense to approx the same amount of pts. The only difference for us was that when we played the eagles our offense was in a funk because the play calling was so conservative it limited our ability to score points. If we had the play calling back then that we just had vs the lions i feel we would have won the eagles game by a very similar score the bears did.
Which raises another point. Using the eagles game as a measuring stick of playing the same opponents the bears look to be the equal of us score wise.

However there is one thing in our favor . The bears have been riding a very long win streak which typically will come to an end at some point because even the best teams have let downs for a few games during the season, whereas we have just come out of our funk a few games back and are just starting to roll.....perfect timing to take on all our division rivals

 

[chemist]

DUDS: The NFL and allowing all the pushing

It wasn't a tush push, just another rugby scrum. In the 1st Q. Gibbs momentum was stopped for about a 1-2 yard gain, but he stayed upright. His teammates then began the "rugby scrum push" on him. They pushed him forward for another 5 yards. While this was going on, and I watched this a few times, a few Lions players were pushing Packer players, from behind. The worst offender, Lions RT Dan Skipper took a running start and plowed into the back of Devonte Wyatt (beyond 3 yards of the LOS). Now I am kind of new to football, but isn't hitting a guy in the back, outside of the "free-blocking zone" a penalty? This isn't the first time I have seen offensive players plow into defenders from behind.

A very good point. The tush push has evolved into a two bundle package of 11 men pushing and pulling each other.

To take it to its ultimate conclusion theoretically the team with the bigger, stronger, heavier weight men could push themselves all the way to the end zone from anywhere on the field

How could something like this be regulated. When do you blow the whistle to say the play us over. Maybe limit the forward progress to a specific amount of yds??

 

[gopkrs]

A very good point. The tush push has evolved into a two bundle package of 11 men pushing and pulling each other.

To take it to its ultimate conclusion theoretically the team with the bigger, stronger, heavier weight men could push themselves all the way to the end zone from anywhere on the field

How could something like this be regulated. When do you blow the whistle to say the play us over. Maybe limit the forward progress to a specific amount of yds??

You could make it illegal to push from behind. I think it used to be that way. Or just call it dead when the pushing starts. The announcers often say that the RB just keeps his legs churning. What a bunch of crap. Are they trying to score points with the powers that be?

 

[chemist]

You could make it illegal to push from behind. I think it used to be that way. Or just call it dead when the pushing starts. The announcers often say that the RB just keeps his legs churning. What a bunch of crap. Are they trying to score points with the powers that be?

I get your points, just to clarify if you want to make it illegal to push from behind or call the play dead whenever pushing starts wouldnt that also eliminate the original tush push?

 

[gopkrs]

I get your points, just to clarify if you want to make it illegal to push from behind or call the play dead whenever pushing starts wouldnt that also eliminate the original tush push?

For sure

 

[chemist]

For sure

Eagles wont like that

 

[Heyjoe4]

The only way a trade of this magnitude gets done is if both President and GM are on the same page about it. The “who initiated what” can only be speculated on, but both were certainly involved to some degree.

My guess would be that Policy made it clear that Gute would have the organizational support to make a “big splash” in the offseason and Parsons in fact was the “splash.”

There was speculation about Parsons weeks leading up to the trade so I’m sure there were plenty of internal conversations about it.

Well said Adam. Yeh a trade of this magnitude needed Policy's seal of approval, but I don't think that was a hard decision for him or Gluten. I don't know who was involved in the negotiation, but it was a very good deal for the Packers - as much as I hated to see Kenny Clark leave. I wonder who else was competing. Possibly no one - JJ had to save face and "get rid" of Parsons. The Pack just stepped in and got it done.

What did surprise me initially was the size of the contract. Garret had earlier signed for, I think, $40 mil AAV so giving Parsons $47 mil AAV really set the bar high. Then again how valuable is a guy who has 12 plus sacks in his first five seasons? Never been done before.

It was a great trade and it solidified a very strong D. Once some capable corners are added, this will be a very talented D, top to bottom.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yes he did. And he was pretty well open. And that is where they should be throwing to him! Down the field a bit. Not two yards down field. Last week he got a pass interference down the field. Pretty good production for just two passes thrown to him.

Good point. Treat Musgrave as a WR in a TE costume and look for big downfield opportunities. He'll get more attention, but not like Kraft, and the other TEs on the roster have played well. I'd really like to see Musgrave become a very important part of the offense as the season plays out.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I agree with a caveat. I do like the aggressiveness. But the times have to be right. Can't be like detroit and just go for it all the time. When they went for it at mid field on 4th and 4; that wasn't a good decision. But when we did it at the end of the game; it was. We were going to have to keep them out of the endzone. From the 50 or the 25 didn't matter much. But Wicks was covered like a blanket (on both ). Would certainly like it if he was more open. Imho

I had the opposite reaction. I thought going for it at midfield with 2 minutes remaining, and Detroit with no timeouts, should have been a punt.

But the Lions needed a TD to tie, and the broadcasters said it's a coin toss at that point to punt or go for the first. No complaints at all with how it ended, and it seemed appropriate that Love/Wicks make the play.

 

[chemist]

I had the opposite reaction. I thought going for it at midfield with 2 minutes remaining, and Detroit with no timeouts, should have been a punt.

But the Lions needed a TD to tie, and the broadcasters said it's a coin toss at that point to punt or go for the first. No complaints at all with how it ended, and it seemed appropriate that Love/Wicks make the play.

I was all for the love wicks call. Our D didnt exactly play that good of a game. If det gets the ball back you know they are going all out pass . Maybe we stop them, maybe we dont ,but going by how our D had played to that point they had the lions a number of times at 3rd and long and still gave up first downs.
MLF had been going for it all day with success so I was all for staying on that road rather than giving the lions another shot.
Just one long pass by goff that doesnt even connect but draws a PI penalty could have moved the lions very quickly.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Eagles wont like that

If you missed the Bears-Eagles game yesterday, the Bears came up with a crafty way to stop the T-Push. Send a DB around the linemen, reach in and steal the ball from Hurts. It really was a thing of beauty to watch.

I hate the Bears, but watching them dominate the Eagles yesterday was somewhat satisfying. Probably the most satisfaction came watching/listening to the worst fans in Football, Eagles fans. What a bunch of spoiled babies. Their team was 8-3 and they booed most of the game.

I will say this, the Bears are better than I thought. The Packers are going to have to play their A game next Sunday and that starts with stopping the Bear rushing attack.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

How could something like this be regulated. When do you blow the whistle to say the play us over. Maybe limit the forward progress to a specific amount of yds??

Super simple to regulate it, go back to the old rule of "no aiding a runner" by pushing, which went away in 2005. The refs have really gone soft on blowing the whistle on these scrums. Even though you are still not suppose to be able to aid a runner by pulling or lifting them, refs don't enforce that. By its very nature, you are aiding the QB in a T-push by lifting and pushing him from behind.

If a runner can keep his legs turning and keep his momentum going forward on his own, he should be credited with more yardage. However, once he starts getting aid from his teammates to do so, much like leaping off of your teammate to block a kick, it should be a penalty.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm glad someone captured these moments, because the Lions DB's were getting away with PI quite a bit.

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[chemist]

Super simple to regulate it, go back to the old rule of "no aiding a runner" by pushing, which went away in 2005. The refs have really gone soft on blowing the whistle on these scrums. Even though you are still not suppose to be able to aid a runner by pulling or lifting them, refs don't enforce that. By its very nature, you are aiding the QB in a T-push by lifting and pushing him from behind.

If a runner can keep his legs turning and keep his momentum going forward on his own, he should be credited with more yardage. However, once he starts getting aid from his teammates to do so, much like leaping off of your teammate to block a kick, it should be a penalty.

Interesting.... If the runners legs are still churning and a number of defenders arrive to stop him i dont think the offensive guys are just going to stand around and do nothing. Human instinct would dictate a feeling that i have to get in there and help my team mate. A tough call....

 

[Half Empty]

Interesting.... If the runners legs are still churning and a number of defenders arrive to stop him i dont think the offensive guys are just going to stand around and do nothing. Human instinct would dictate a feeling that i have to get in there and help my team mate. A tough call....

Never played the game, but I could understand the concept of 'helping' my teammate runner by trying to hit the guys in front of him, not by sandwiching him between them and me.

 

[chemist]

I'm glad someone captured these moments, because the Lions DB's were getting away with PI quite a

Never played the game, but I could understand the concept of 'helping' my teammate runner by trying to hit the guys in front of him, not by sandwiching him between them and me.

A fair point but the location of the offensive players will always be behind the runner as he must have just broken thru a hole they made before he ran into defenders. Things happen so fast doesnt leave much time to get around the pile.

 

[milani]

I feel MLF called a great game, a very different kind of game, a necessary change that has been a long time coming.

Go with me on the following...
IMO the friday bears game vs the eagles was very similar to the game we played vs the eagles. Both our Ds held the eagles offense to approx the same amount of pts. The only difference for us was that when we played the eagles our offense was in a funk because the play calling was so conservative it limited our ability to score points. If we had the play calling back then that we just had vs the lions i feel we would have won the eagles game by a very similar score the bears did.
Which raises another point. Using the eagles game as a measuring stick of playing the same opponents the bears look to be the equal of us score wise.

However there is one thing in our favor . The bears have been riding a very long win streak which typically will come to an end at some point because even the best teams have let downs for a few games during the season, whereas we have just come out of our funk a few games back and are just starting to roll.....perfect timing to take on all our division rivals

The Bears ran the ball as if Walter Payton was still with them. That was like a Packer game from 1961-62. They could pound and pound and then throw a few shots down the field. And the pick Caleb threw came on a running down with really no need to throw. The Bears were all over the field. In Week 1 they had 12 penalties. Yesterday, just a few. The coaches have done a remarkable job.

 

[gopkrs]

Their most successful running play was off their right guard. Huge hole every time. We are going to have to watch for that. They were successful elsewhere but that was their best. Hopefully the quickness of Parsons will take away some of that scrambling ability.