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Their most successful running play was off their right guard. Huge hole every time. We are going to have to watch for that. They were successful elsewhere but that was their best. Hopefully the quickness of Parsons will take away some of that scrambling ability.
That was a big Lombardi play, but with another back and the option of using the Sweep. Philly is usually hard to penetrate there. The Bears came off the ball very quickly. The other time this season a team was able to do that was, ironically, in their first Giant game on TNF. The Bears may have seen something on film and used it. Eagle LBs are very aggressive. They maybe getting them to bite away from the play.
 

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Interesting.... If the runners legs are still churning and a number of defenders arrive to stop him i dont think the offensive guys are just going to stand around and do nothing. Human instinct would dictate a feeling that i have to get in there and help my team mate. A tough call....
pre-2005, was as simple as "you can't push your runner ahead".
 

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I was all for the love wicks call. Our D didnt exactly play that good of a game. If det gets the ball back you know they are going all out pass . Maybe we stop them, maybe we dont ,but going by how our D had played to that point they had the lions a number of times at 3rd and long and still gave up first downs.
MLF had been going for it all day with success so I was all for staying on that road rather than giving the lions another shot.
Just one long pass by goff that doesnt even connect but draws a PI penalty could have moved the lions very quickly.
Good points. Yeah even without St Ra and La Porta, the Lions were playing well on offense. And MLF and Wicks were on a roll. Exciting game and a great win, going 3-0 in the North and sweeping the Lions for a change.
 

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That was a big Lombardi play, but with another back and the option of using the Sweep. Philly is usually hard to penetrate there. The Bears came off the ball very quickly. The other time this season a team was able to do that was, ironically, in their first Giant game on TNF. The Bears may have seen something on film and used it. Eagle LBs are very aggressive. They maybe getting them to bite away from the play.
The Bears were going to the same run again and again. The OL would get a huge push, leading with the right guard and moving to the left. Monangai would start running behind the linemen, then cut right to a lot of green. I'm surprised the Eagles didn't put LB as a spy on Monangai, after getting gouged 6 or 7 times.
 

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I get your points, just to clarify if you want to make it illegal to push from behind or call the play dead whenever pushing starts wouldnt that also eliminate the original tush push?
I'm no fan of the tush push, but that's just envy. Hurts has incredibly strong legs, so why not take advantage.

And eliminate the tush push, and any offensive "assistance" stops as soon as the runner is stood up. As long as the runner can keep turning his legs over, I'm fine with him getting assistance. Like the tush push, if a defense doesn't like it, find a way to stop it.

The Bears exposed a weakness in the tush push, but Hurts will not let a DB knock the ball out again.
 

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The Bears were going to the same run again and again. The OL would get a huge push, leading with the right guard and moving to the left. Monangai would start running behind the linemen, then cut right to a lot of green. I'm surprised the Eagles didn't put LB as a spy on Monangai, after getting gouged 6 or 7 times.
They had a short week and I think they were looking more at Caleb and his play action. Did not prepare enough. There are many teams that you game plan to stop a Barkley, a Dowdle, a Henry, a Gibbs etc. first. The Eagles did not do that. And they underestimated the Bear line and their execution. The Bears were a penalty ridden team early in the year. Friday, they looked like a well oiled seasoned group.
 

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Agreed. And the Bears make RPO work as well as any team I've seen this season.

Love is playing more under center lately and I'd like this to continue. The Bears are legit though so gonna be a good game. Glad this first meeting is at Lambeau.
 

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I'm no fan of the tush push, but that's just envy. Hurts has incredibly strong legs, so why not take advantage.

And eliminate the tush push, and any offensive "assistance" stops as soon as the runner is stood up. As long as the runner can keep turning his legs over, I'm fine with him getting assistance. Like the tush push, if a defense doesn't like it, find a way to stop it.
I don't really care about the tush push one way or the other. But my gut feeling is that it's going to be made illegal sooner or later.
 

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Agree with most and will award an honorary stud to Dan Campbell for going for it on 4th and 3 from the like10 instead of taking the points to bring it to a one score game. Incompletion gave Pack the ball. He should have taken the FG there.
The guy does some inexplicably stupid things. I think he's held captive by his desire to be edgy in his decision making
 

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The guy does some inexplicably stupid things. I think he's held captive by his desire to be edgy in his decision making
At least the guy has made the game more intriguing. And it may have begun to spread to other coaches. Back in the day NO ONE gambled even a tenth of how often he does unless it was do or die late in the game.
 
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I don't really care about the tush push one way or the other. But my gut feeling is that it's going to be made illegal sooner or later.
Yes. That or the way to do this from a back door method is start calling the Guards jumping offsides to structure standard. On several games 1 or more Philly OG were clearly offsides. Just call it like the rule book and quit playing favorites.
 

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Packers sweep the Lions for very first time in 2025!
A little more explanation, please. I guess Thanksgiving was the first (and only possible) sweep in 2025, but there were plenty of other years, and recently, where the Pack swept the Lions.
 

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I don't really care about the tush push one way or the other. But my gut feeling is that it's going to be made illegal sooner or later.
I agree that the owners will rule it illegal, probably this offseason. They came close last season. I hope that doesn't also include aiding a runner by pushing him from behind. That will make it harder to define exactly what constitutes a "tush push".

I don't like the pay because the risk for head/neck injury seems incredibly high. In practice, no one has been seriously injured, yet. The play just looks like an injury waiting to happen, a potentially serious injury.
 
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At least the guy has made the game more intriguing. And it may have begun to spread to other coaches. Back in the day NO ONE gambled even a tenth of how often he does unless it was do or die late in the game.
I think it's pretty much analytics driven
 

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Packers sweep the Lions for very first time in 2025!
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The Packers have swept the Lions many times, the last being in 2020.

Now if we happen to face them in the playoffs, a threepeat/hat trick for 2025 would be super nice!

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The guy does some inexplicably stupid things. I think he's held captive by his desire to be edgy in his decision making
Yeah at this point I'd say Campbell acts more out of vanity than willingness to take a reasonable risk (meaning a > 50% chance of success).

He really should have taken the FG against the Packers, but hindsight is easy. I think the Packers win either way. Campbell should worry less about his image and more on winning.

Sounds contrary - but I like MLF's decisions on 4th down. That's also easy to say in hindsight. I would have preferred a punt on the last 4th down conversion, but hey, it worked - brilliantly.

More important, MLF is sending a message that he has confidence in his team. Same for Love. Wicks had an incredible game and caught that "dagger" pass for the first down. Shows Love has confidence in Wicks as well.

It's human nature. If someone has confidence in me to do the right thing, I'm gonna try all the harder to make it so.
 

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I think it's pretty much analytics driven
Yeah I was surprised that the broadcasters said, on 4th down with under 2 minutes at midfield, analytics said going for it or punting provided the same end result. The ball was at mid field and the Lions needed a TD, but Goff had been finding guys all day even w/o St. Ra and La Porta. I would have punted, but hey, love the result!
 

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