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Studs and duds vs Vikings

Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by longtimefan, Sep 13, 2020.

  1. Fat Dogs

    Fat Dogs Cheesehead

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    Queen was the guy I was hoping Gluten would take. We know how that worked out. We won't know if the move on Love was a boom, bust, or meh for a few years. Rodgers certainly doesn't look anywhere near retirement, or a trade. I still think Love was a wasted pick, but the past is the past.[/QUOTE]


    Kendricks is a hell of a player but that Vikings D is depleted. The packers have some real playmakers and only need one or two more upper echelon talents to make us an elite D.

    I 100% agree that QB’s run this league and Love would be more important for the organization if he transitions into a good QB. That being said, I’m not a believer and truly believe that Queen should have been the pick.
     
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  2. Pokerbrat2000

    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    Vikings were only down 22-10 halfway into the 3rd Q when they seemed to abandon the running game. Maybe they thought that they were going to need to score a lot of points to keep up with the Packers, but one way to stop a hot Offense is to keep them off the field with your own running game. I still contend that the Vikings made the mistake of not giving the ball more to Cook after it was quite obvious the Packers were giving up huge chunks of yardage on the ground.
     
  3. Fat Dogs

    Fat Dogs Cheesehead

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    Somehow those stats seem off.... I will say that Packer fans have had some last minute defensive heartbreaks that will last a lifetime so one cannot help but remember and cringe even if these stats are correct.

    it would be amazing if Barnes proves to be a playmaker for this D. A lot is riding on one of these guys stepping up at ILB.
     
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  4. Raptorman

    Raptorman Vikings fan since 1966.

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    Dud. Packers "prevent" defense. Really? What the hell did they prevent? Cousins tossed for 16 yards per completion in the Vikings last 3 possessions. If that's the prevent defense you should be worried. The only thing that kept the Vikings from winning is that their defense sucked worse in the 4th than the Packers.

    Stud. Rodgers. He looks different than the last 2 years. Something has changed.
     
  5. Pokerbrat2000

    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    But lets just forget about the fact that the Packers, who won by 9 points,were up my more points (+12) at the end of the first half (22-10), and up 29-10 (+19) at the end of the 3rd Q.

    [​IMG]

    Admit it Raptorman, the better team won on Sunday, had nothing to do with both defenses playing bad in the 4th Q.
     
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  6. PikeBadger

    PikeBadger Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Agree about Randall. I think he may have become a really good free safety had he started out there. I think he would have been much better than Dix.
     
  7. JK64

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    I agree. It seems like Pettine is too soft on these guys. Giving up 3 tds that fast is unacceptable.
     
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    JK64 Cheesehead

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    Especially the first drop. It was a perfect pass into his hands and he had an open field in front of him. He needs to focus on the catch first.
     
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    Right. The defense just keeps making the same mistakes over and over and Pettine gets a pass.
     
  10. Mondio

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    Randall could be a really good DB or safety, i don't think he had the mental make up to realize half his talent though.
     
  11. captainWIMM

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    The Lions offense is centered around throwing the ball, especially with Golladay possibly returning vs. the Packers.

    Maybe the Vikings secondary isn't that good after all.

    Feel free to double check the numbers but they're correct.
     
  12. Raptorman

    Raptorman Vikings fan since 1966.

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    This wasn't about who won, but about the crappy "prevent defense" the Packers tried. I'm concerned about my Vikings Defense. They let a team put up 43 points. The Packers let a team put up 24 points, without a defensive turnover, in the fourth quarter after holding that team to 10 the first 3.
     
  13. GleefulGary

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    They have good pieces, they're just young. It takes a bit. That's all I'm saying. I just don't think they're as bad as you do. As a whole, I'd say they're close to an average secondary.

    My point on Kendricks is that while he is very good, his overall impact on how good a defense is quite a bit lower than a pass rusher or DB. Therefore, the value for an ILB is lower. I think it's understandable not wanting to use a day 1 pick on one.
     
  14. gopkrs

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    The thing about the "prevent" defense is like a number have said; it is not preventing anything. And so you might as well play normal and maybe give up the big play. Because your evidently going to give up fast points anyway.
     
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    This isn't anything new in the NFL or Football for that matter when it comes to prevent defenses. While I agree with you, most of us fans hate seeing a ton of points being put up against our teams "prevent defense", I will disagree with you on "this wasn't about who won", the only thing that counts towards anything is the final score. The Packers won by 9 points, mission accomplished. I think CaptainWimm pointed out in a post, that the Packers have fared pretty well when leading by 7 or more in the second half.

    Will Pettine and the Packers make some adjustments because of this game, sure. Will they panic because of it and never go into "prevent defense" again? Probably not. Quite honestly, I am more concerned about the Packers defense and their ability to stop the run, something that the Vikings didn't really attack after the first half. I'm just fine with running scores way up and then only winning by 9 points because our defense was instructed to not give up the big plays.
     
  16. Raptorman

    Raptorman Vikings fan since 1966.

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    The Packers defense not giving up the big play in the fourth. 53 yards in 4 plays.


    3-8-MIN 47 (9:11) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass short middle to I.Smith to GB 42 for 11 yards (C.Sullivan).
    1-10-GB 42 (8:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) K.Cousins pass short middle to J.Jefferson to GB 25 for 17 yards (C.Sullivan).
    1-10-GB 25 (8:29) (No Huddle, Shotgun) K.Cousins pass deep right to O.Johnson to GB 3 for 22 yards (K.King).
    1-3-GB 3 (7:59) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Cook left end for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN
     
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    I still think people are blowing that out of proportion. The Packers were up plenty and in my eyes, those points Minnesota scored were garbage points for the most part. The game was pretty much set by the time Minnesota scored those points, they weren't coming back.
     
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  18. Pokerbrat2000

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    A Viking fan obviously does not want to see it that way though ;)

    I think the most disappointing defensive play for me was at the beginning of the 4th Q and the score was 29-10. Savage lost coverage on Thielen, got no help from Jaire and allowed a 37 yard TD.
     
  19. bigbubbatd

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    Agreed to an extent. The Vikings never had the ball with a chance to get within a score for most of the second half. The Packers were up 19, 18, and 17 before the Vikings' scores. After the first Vikings td they scored 3 points while they game was still remotely close. The Packers were more aggressive with their pass rush and cousins was under pressure. They quite pressuring the same and also played a bad version prevent.
     
  20. Sunshinepacker

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    Might be unpopular but I'm starting to think Jaire was closer to dud than stud in this game. Here me out, I'm NOT saying he was a dud but I am saying that his best play was because he didn't know the defensive assignment (that's not a replicable process), and while he DID get an interception he also allowed Thielen 4 catches for 66 yards and a TD on six targets. The interception saves him from being a dud but he didn't really shut anything down at corner.

    Jaire has the skills and hype to be an elite corner but he gives up a lot more in coverage than other corners he's often compared to. He needs to be far more consistent before he actually earns that elite corner label.
     
  21. captainWIMM

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    The Vikings secondary might develop into an average unit over the course of the season but they were awful vs. the Packers on Sunday.

    I agree that an inside linebacker isn't as valuable as other positions on defense. With that being said Kendricks would have been a mich smarter choice than Randall at the end of the first round in 2015.

    I'm fine with the Packers playing prevent defense to not give up big plays as well but there's no doubt that didn't work on Sunday at all.

    It took the Vikings all of 5:21 minutes to score 24 points, that's definitely not good enough by any means.

    There's no way Savage should cover Thielen one-on-one in the first place.
     
  22. Poppa San

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    The Vikings also had a touchback and went far enough to get a midrange field goal to end the first half in 14 seconds. 2 plays 43 yards + the field goal.
     
  23. Pokerbrat2000

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    My intention was not to imply that the Packers Prevent Defense played well, my point to a Viking fan is that the Packers won the game and that was ultimately what counts in the standings. Pettine definitely has work to do with this defense, but there were some good things that the defense did, especially for the first game of the season, to build on. Bottom line, I'm not going to hit the panic button about the defense based on the way they played with a huge lead and a Viking fan trying to tell me that the Packers won only because the Vikings defense played worse than the Packers in the 4th Q.
     
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  24. captainWIMM

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    I definitely agree with your overall point of view but I'm a bit more concerned about the way the defense played in the fourth quarter.
     
  25. longtimefan

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    A a team aspect it was the 1st game of no pre season
     
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