Rodgers Contract

[swhitset]

his current deal hamstrings the Packers. can you imagine the next? wow!

While the next contract may be a bit of a handful manage ... I disagree that the current contract is an issue.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

his current deal hamstrings the Packers. can you imagine the next? wow!

I remember seeing the article below when it came out, predicting that AR would be the first guy to hit a $200M contract. Seems the Author, Mike Freeman wasn't as crazy as I thought he was at the time I read it..

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-rodgers-will-be-the-nfls-1st-200-million-man

 

[Spanky]

his current deal hamstrings the Packers. can you imagine the next? wow!

His current deal does not hamstring the Packers at all. The cap hit per year from 2017 to 2019 is around $20.5 million.

 

[gbgary]

His current deal does not hamstring the Packers at all. The cap hit per year from 2017 to 2019 is around $20.5 million.

that's right. i've forgotten about all the impact free agents we've signed over the years.

 

[GleefulGary]

that's right. i've forgotten about all the impact free agents we've signed over the years.

That's more because Ted didn't like to sign free agents. Wasn't a money issue.

 

[PikeBadger]

His current deal does not hamstring the Packers at all. The cap hit per year from 2017 to 2019 is around $20.5 million.

It’s significantly less of a burden in percentage of cap than it was back in 2014 & 2015 I’d guess, without running the exact numbers. I don’t remember the last time this team had cap problems.

 

[GleefulGary]

If Rodgers signs for 34/year, the first year he would take up 19% of the cap and it would go down roughly 1% per year. So pretty similar to his last contract. Which is totally worth it for Rodgers.

 

[bigbubbatd]

that's right. i've forgotten about all the impact free agents we've signed over the years.

The Packers paid Nelson, Cobb, bahk, bulaga, shields, Perry, Daniels, Bennett, burnett and others very healthy contracts while Rodgers was under the current contract. Maybe they signed the wrong people but they have spent a lot

 

[gbgary]

That's more because Ted didn't like to sign free agents. Wasn't a money issue.

it was always a money issue. that's what Rodgers' all-in edict was all about. it went ignored and now you see the result with his reluctance to sign a deal until all the other parties get their deals in. no hometown discount coming.

 

[GleefulGary]

it was always a money issue. that's what Rodgers' all-in edict was all about. it went ignored and now you see the result with his reluctance to sign a deal until all the other parties get their deals in. no hometown discount coming.

Uhhh...no. We did not sign FA's because we didn't have enough money, Ted just didn't think they were worth as much as they got...and most of the time, he was right.

If you expected a hometown discount with Rodgers, that's on you. It was never happening. We're going to end up paying Rodgers roughly the same cap percentage we did last time. I don't see the problem.

 

[gbgary]

The Packers paid Nelson, Cobb, bahk, bulaga, shields, Perry, Daniels, Bennett, burnett and others very healthy contracts while Rodgers was under the current contract. Maybe they signed the wrong people but they have spent a lot

they were our best players and ted tried to keep the team together...but that's a static situation. the team didn't get any better, it stayed the same and ted would roll over the remaining cap dollars year after year instead of adding better players. the team topped out in 14 and went downhill gradually from there and Rodgers issued his all-in edict.

 

[swhitset]

they were our best players and ted tried to keep the team together...but that's a static situation. the team didn't get any better, it stayed the same and ted would roll over the remaining cap dollars year after year instead of adding better players. the team topped out in 14 and went downhill gradually from there and Rodgers issued his all-in edict.

you are not making a consistant argument. One minute you are complaining that Rodgers' contract made it impossible to sign free agents... in the next you are complaining that Ted didn't spend the money in the places you wanted.... The bottom line is that your original argument is nonsense.

 

[gbgary]

you are not making a consistant argument. One minute you are complaining that Rodgers' contract made it impossible to sign free agents... in the next you are complaining that Ted didn't spend the money in the places you wanted.... The bottom line is that your original argument is nonsense.

spending on existing guys is one thing free agents is another. we're talking about free agents. bringing in more talent would have made the team better. the cap kept getting higher and Rodgers percentage of it dropped. thus more money left to improve the team but he kept the team static instead. no improvement. his percentage is about to take a big increase. ted missed a golden opportunity. that's ted's cheapness. Rodgers current deal affects them by keeping them from investing in outside players because they're unsure how the new deal will squeeze them. the ryan deal just gave them a huge clue. if they wait for brady's it could really get out of hand. Rodgers isn't a player on the up like he was when he signed his last deal either.

 

[Mondio]

spending on existing guys is one thing free agents is another. we're talking about free agents. bringing in more talent would have made the team better. the cap kept getting higher and Rodgers percentage of it dropped. thus more money left to improve the team but he kept the team static instead. no improvement. his percentage is about to take a big increase. he missed a golden opportunity. that's ted's cheapness. Rodgers current deal affects them by keeping them from investing in outside players because they're unsure how the new deal will squeeze them.

How do you debate with someone that clearly doesn't know what he doesn't know. Your premise assumes other FA's always work. your premise assumes GB didn't sign top FA when they re-signed their own. Your premise also ignores that 2 all pro DBs, a safety and a DB were cut down in the prime of their careers and had also just been inked to rather large contracts. Ted wasn't cheap. Matthews was one fo the best pass rushers in the league, what do you think he was going to sign for? and do you not realize that every year FA acquisitions from outside an organization get lazy, get hurt or just don't perform? So it wasn't matthews that had 2 big injury seasons and played another out of position, but some other guy. Would it make you happy or Ted "uncheap"? anyway, i'm not going to waste any more time on this.

 

[GleefulGary]

spending on existing guys is one thing free agents is another. we're talking about free agents. bringing in more talent would have made the team better. the cap kept getting higher and Rodgers percentage of it dropped. thus more money left to improve the team but he kept the team static instead. no improvement. his percentage is about to take a big increase. ted missed a golden opportunity. that's ted's cheapness. Rodgers current deal affects them by keeping them from investing in outside players because they're unsure how the new deal will squeeze them. the ryan deal just gave them a huge clue. if they wait for brady's it could really get out of hand. Rodgers isn't a player on the up like he was when he signed his last deal either.

And now we don't have to worry about having enough money to re-sign Rodgers plus add players in the future! Crazy how that works.

 

[gbgary]

And now we don't have to worry about having enough money to re-sign Rodgers plus add players in the future! Crazy how that works.

but you do have to worry. next year will be interesting. they'll have an opportunity with some salaries dropping off but those guys will have to be replaced and most likely with free agents (that never work out ). we'll see how big a bite Rodgers deal is and what they do with what's left.

 

[Reggie White Cheese]

The over/under on 110 guaranteed for Rodgers... I don't see it being anything much higher than Matt Ryan's... He is not getting 40 year believe that. I will eat crow if so.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I guess it comes down to how much Rodgers wants guaranteed. Ryan's deal is 5-years and $30m per with $100m guaranteed. Cousins deal was fully-guaranteed. Does Rodgers take a 3-year, $96m fully guaranteed deal (hypothetical), or does he take a 5-year $160m 5-year deal with only part of it guaranteed? I'm guessing he goes more the Cousins route because it gives him another chance to sign a big deal in three years (and short of having a lineman tear his arm off, he's not at serious risk of losing earning potential).

 

[Deleted member 6794]

his current deal hamstrings the Packers. can you imagine the next? wow!

Rodgers' current deal hasn't hamstrung the Packers over the past few years. You have to realize the Vikings allocated more cap space to quarterbacks last season than Green Bay did.

The main reason the Packers haven't won another championship since 2010 is that Thompson had some poor drafts and didn't address obvious holes on the roster with free agents.

the ryan deal just gave them a huge clue. if they wait for brady's it could really get out of hand. Rodgers isn't a player on the up like he was when he signed his last deal either.

I highly doubt Brady at age 41 will surpass Ryan's deal or set the bar for Rodgers next one.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I highly doubt Brady at age 41 will surpass Ryan's deal or set the bar for Rodgers next one.

Agreed, I know Brady wants a new contract, but given there are 2 years left on his current contract, I have a hard time seeing Kraft going too crazy with the numbers. So Ryan's deal will probably stand as the second highest deal once Rodgers deal is done, for at least a year. But watch out, Brett Hundley hits the FA market next year!

 

[Poppa San]

I don't see much more than Ryan's per year but a lot more guaranteed. Maybe 7 year $225m, $60m signing, first 3 years guaranteed for maybe another $40m with about the last $125m over the last 4 years with each year guaranteed two seasons earlier.

 

[gbgary]

here are ryan's details...

1. Signing bonus: $46.5 million.

2. 2018 salary: $6 million, fully guaranteed.

3. 2019 option bonus: $10 million, fully guaranteed.

4. 2019 salary: $11.5 million, fully guaranteed.

5. 2020 salary: $20.5 million, fully guaranteed.

6. 2021 salary: $23 million, $5.5 million of which is guaranteed for injury only at signing. The $5.5 million becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2019 league year.

7. 2022 roster bonus: $7.5 million, due third day of 2021 league year.

8. 2022 salary: $16.25 million.

9. 2023 roster bonus: $7.5 million, due third day of 2021 league year.

10. 2023 salary: $20.5 million.

11. All guarantees have no offset language.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/04/under-any-analysis-matt-ryans-sets-a-new-bar/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/matt-ryan-3983/

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Geez, whatever happened to a good old fashioned handshake sealing the deal?

 

[gbgary]

Geez, whatever happened to a good old fashioned handshake sealing the deal?

yup and think about this that i saw somewhere else...

The looming collapse of ESPN/cable contracts will upset the whole apple cart.

the salary cap suddenly goes down instead of creeping up.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

yup and think about this that i saw somewhere else...
the salary cap suddenly goes down instead of creeping up.

Personally, I would LOVE to see the apple cart go down a few hills. The amount of money these guys are getting paid has gotten way off the extreme chart. I stopped watching baseball because of it and if it continues in football, who knows what I will do.