Love vs. Willis

[Scotland Yard]

Most of us are talking in terms of ceiling. Love is 27 and he hasn't improved in the last 2 seasons. He is who he is. If you think that's enough to win a SB, fine. But to say that Willis isn't playing at least as well as Love has been is simply not true. And I don't think he's at his ceiling yet because every time he plays, he steps it up a notch. In 16+ quarters of play, he has a 86% completion percentage. I challenge you to cherry pick any 16 quarters over the last 3 seasons where Love has a combined completion % that high. Willis has done that without the luxury of cherry picking.

Well said, agree 100%.

Willis hits guys in stride with pinpoint accuracy, has great mechanics, a tight spiral and elite escapability.

If Love has a stronger arm, it doesn't matter much because he misses so many guys on deep passes anyway. Love's 15th in the NFL in pass comp % this season...a middling QB.

Love is entering the backside of what likely will be an injury prone career. When he gets hit or goes down sometimes it just looks like a house of cards collapsing, and now with concussions he'll become gun shy. He'll have nice regular season stats here and there (ala K. Cousins), but, with leadership ability on par with a librarian he isn't leading GB to the Lombardi, no way.

 

[Firethorn1001]

I do wonder if Willis is a better fit for what MLF wants to do. If I'm Miami I'm trying to get MLF/Willis.

 

[tynimiller]

I do wonder if Willis is a better fit for what MLF wants to do. If I'm Miami I'm trying to get MLF/Willis.

So the crazy thing is that would make a ton of sense for them to try and grab. That fit could be awesome

 

[AKCheese]

In 16+ quarters of play, he has a 86% completion percentage. I challenge you to cherry pick any 16 quarters over the last 3 seasons where Love has a combined completion % that high.

Seriously? LOL

 

[AKCheese]

Just look up nearly every advanced metric you want - Love has been awesome this year, borderline incredible overall.

There you go getting all factual and ****

 

[AKCheese]

Hey remember when Matt Flynn threw those SIX TD passes??? Man we should have kept HIM and saved a TON. I mean he went to Seattle and *checks notes* …. Ummmmmm nevermind LOL

 

[OldSchool101]

Most of us are talking in terms of ceiling. Love is 27 and he hasn't improved in the last 2 seasons.

This is false.

In 2025

Love’s Win% is better
Loves Comp % is better
Loves decision making is better
Loves QB ranking is better
Loves Passer Rating is better
Loves INT% is better.
Loves 4Q comeback and Game Win Drived are better

 

[milani]

Hey remember when Matt Flynn threw those SIX TD passes??? Man we should have kept HIM and saved a TON. I mean he went to Seattle and *checks notes* …. Ummmmmm nevermind LOL

Matt may have never made it big but I still remember how he had to fill in against Brady and the Pats when Rodgers was out with a concussion. He almost won it. And then in 2013 when we were down to Scott Tolzien he saved our season with Rodgers out. He brought us back to earn a tie against the Vikings and won 2 games including coming back from a 26-3 deficit against the Cowboys. It enabled Rodgers to come back in the season finale to beat the Bears for the division.

 

[AKCheese]

So people here advocate benching Love, signing Willis, and turning the team over to him. I don’t see this happening. As far as who has higher upside? Willis or Love? Time will tell.

 

[milani]

So people here advocate benching Love, signing Willis, and turning the team over to him. I don’t see this happening. As far as who has higher upside? Willis or Love? Time will tell.

Just stop the run and build a run game the right way.

 

[Thirteen Below]

So people here advocate benching Love, signing Willis, and turning the team over to him. I don’t see this happening. As far as who has higher upside? Willis or Love? Time will tell.

If Gutekunst pays Love $50 million to sit on the bench and watch Willis play football, he needs to be committed to Winnebago State Hospital. That's just not happening.

 

[AKCheese]

If Gutekunst pays Love $50 million to sit on the bench and watch Willis play football, he needs to be committed to Winnebago State Hospital. That's just not happening.

I know I’m just trying to clarify what some people are advocating…

 

[milani]

I know I’m just trying to clarify what some people are advocating…

Now the Vikings could have paid Darnold but not quite as much as Seattle did.

 

[Pugger]

Even if we pull off an upset in Chicago the next round would be even gloomier. The 3 West Coast teams would beat us to a pulp, especially the 9ers. These injuries have depleted our lines. The Ravens blocked us like a JV team. And they smothered our run game except Willis. What worries me is that these injuries will carry over into next season and we will start out 1-3 or 2-5 and come up short of anything by this time next season.

I'm watching the 49er/ Bears game right now. The 9ers offense is special and running all over Chicago but their defense? They are making the Bears look like world beaters. There isn't a lot of punting in this game. lol

 

[BrokenArrow]

Just look up nearly every advanced metric you want - Love has been awesome this year, borderline incredible overall.

I'm not going to do your homework for you. But taking a quick look at PFR, his stats over the last 3 years have been pretty consistent. His passer rating is up 4.5 points. He has 5 fewer INTs. He's TD% is down slightly. His completion % is up slightly. But no big jumps in his performance in his three seasons. In fact, his best stretch was post-Halloween in 2023. He hasn't matched the level he was playing during those 2.5 months since.

 

[AKCheese]

I'm not going to do your homework for you. But taking a quick look at PFR, his stats over the last 3 years have been pretty consistent. His passer rating is up 4.5 points. He has 5 fewer TDs. He's TD% is down slightly. His completion % is up slightly. But no big jumps in his performance in his three seasons. In fact, his best stretch was post-Halloween in 2023. He hasn't matched the level he was playing during those 2.5 months since.

So if a QB fails to surpass his best game every week, he is regressing.

 

[adambr2]

I’m going to play a little fun theoretical here.

Say the Packers wanted to reboot and trade Love for example, 3 firsts, and sign Willis to a 2 year, 40M extension.

I know about the massive cap hit.

Say they were dead set on doing it anyway. Is there an actual way to absorb it? I understand you basically have to take a mini rebuild in 2026. But you could get all the cap hit out of the way immediately.

So what would you have to do? Gary, Jenkins, Hobbs, and Jacobs are gone for starters, I assume. And you’re replacing everyone on the cheap. Then restructures and void years. Is it “actually” plausible to find a way to absorb that much cap hit in one year, I guess I’m asking.

 

[AKCheese]

I’m going to play a little fun theoretical here.

Say the Packers wanted to reboot and trade Love for example, 3 firsts, and sign Willis to a 2 year, 40M extension.

I know about the massive cap hit.

Say they were dead set on doing it anyway. Is there an actual way to absorb it? I understand you basically have to take a mini rebuild in 2026. But you could get all the cap hit out of the way immediately.

So what would you have to do? Gary, Jenkins, Hobbs, and Jacobs are gone for starters, I assume. And you’re replacing everyone on the cheap. Then restructures and void years. Is it “actually” plausible to find a way to absorb that much cap hit in one year, I guess I’m asking.

so I know this could actually happen, but what if suddenly gravity became like… not s thing LOL (sorry but thats just as likely)

 

[BrokenArrow]

This is false.

In 2025

Love’s Win% is better

Wins is a team stat, not a QB stat

Loves Comp % is better

By 3.2% Not a big leap.

Loves decision making is better

This is not quantifiable and a matter of opinion.

Loves QB ranking is better

Ranking in what?

Loves Passer Rating is better

By 4.5 points

Loves INT% is better.

And his TD% is his lowest of all three seasons.

Loves 4Q comeback and Game Win Drived are better

You have to be trailing in the 4th quarter to have a comeback. So there's that. The improvements are within the normal year to year variations in stats. There are no big improvements. Nothing to suggest he's made any major leaps in his play.

 

[adambr2]

so I know this could actually happen, but what if suddenly gravity became like… not s thing LOL (sorry but thats just as likely)

Yeah, and I’m sure people said that exact same thing about the Broncos moving on from Russell Wilson and eating $85M. Good thing they didn’t, what a dumpster fire they would have turned out to be.

Oh wait, they did actually do that, and they’re one of the best teams in the NFL.

It’s a message board, it’s alright to think outside the box once in awhile and explore hypotheticals, everything seems absurd until it happens by precedent.

 

[milani]

I'm watching the 49er/ Bears game right now. The 9ers offense is special and running all over Chicago but their defense? They are making the Bears look like world beaters. There isn't a lot of punting in this game. lol

Niners really miss Bosa and Warner.

 

[BrokenArrow]

So if a QB fails to surpass his best game every week, he is regressing.

It's been 2 years and he has not matched his play from November '23 to January '24. So how has he gotten better since then?

 

[milani]

It's been 2 years and he has not matched his play from November '23 to January '24. So how has he gotten better since then?

That was just a warm streak. It was good but he had some help from the gods. Teams did not have much book on him and took our offense lightly. Against the Cowboys we had a lot of wide open receivers. You cannot take a snap shot of a guy who plays well for 6 weeks and say he is regressing because he does not suddenly light it up every week.
That is like saying a boxer knocked out the heavyweight champ but it never happened again so he is regressing. I never considered our success at the end of 2023 just because of Love. He was a part of it. The entire team stepped up: O line, Aaron Jones, TEs, and even Savage and the defense.

 

[AKCheese]

It's been 2 years and he has not matched his play from November '23 to January '24. So how has he gotten better since then?

Look you’re on record that Love is a bad NFL QB and Willis is and will be a BETTER NFL QB. The nice thing about these differences of opinion (yes I disagree), is we are going to find out. And wait what? Completion % up (and yes 3%+ is significant) Interceptions down, QBR up, looks like improvement to me. But you’re turn where has he gotten worse? You put Willis and Love out on the street tomorrow its LAUGHABLE to think Willis would get more interest (ok well maybe by Clevland

 

[BrokenArrow]

That was just a warm streak. It was good but he had some help from the gods. Teams did not have much book on him and took our offense lightly. Against the Cowboys we had a lot of wide open receivers. You cannot take a snap shot of a guy who plays well for 6 weeks and say he is regressing because he does not suddenly light it up every week.
That is like saying a boxer knocked out the heavyweight champ but it never happened again so he is regressing. I never considered our success at the end of 2023 just because of Love. He was a part of it. The entire team stepped up: O line, Aaron Jones, TEs, and even Savage and the defense.

I never said he regressed. I said he hasn't progressed significantly.