The Incoming Offseason...Will Be An Emotional Roller Coaster...

[tynimiller]

My buddy whom I've shared often times will ask hypotheticals or Packer related questions while sharing a good smoke...last night he asked me "Ty, how do you see the incoming off season going down?"

He's a roster structure and building nut, so it makes sense like me he already cannot help but look forward, despite being in the middle of a NFC North dogfight and hopefully playoff push. It's tough to summarize the whole conversation but I will say the first words out of my mouth were "Emotional Roller Coaster".

The way I see it is Gute did for sure push a TON of chips into the middle, is it an "All In" push.....I don't know but it is a massive bet for sure - when we traded for Parsons. That said there is for sure going to be some players many of us likley will struggle with seeing leave...even if we understand and get it.

I won't claim to know for certain of course but unless we beging the void year game there is for sure some fan favorites that won't be getting resigned that have expiring contracts and/or veterans that simply are no longer worth their price tag and will be released or traded IMO as we continue to hopefully reload and push for a Lombardi (something which who knows this offseason may follow grabbing....wouldn't that be awesome).

Due to many being absolutely clueless to contract situations let me share below where we are at and the guys which IMO may be facing their final year with the Packers:

Expiring Contracts After This Season

Rasheed Walker LT - It truly is likely to come down to money. GB has a track record of being willing to pay both Tackles at same time if second contracts...could we be doing this again? I don't know...but what I do know is Rasheed is going to get paid and if it is us doing the paying it will likely chip away at a lot of cap space we will either simply not have OR need to recoup through some cuts. Either way this goes, Rasheed has overshot his expectations that many had for him, despite being a steady and awesome college starter for years - he nearly went undrafted to now being in the upper half of LTs in the game.

Malik Willis QB - What can we say other than Malik is just good people. Before I even address how clutch he's been, and how receptive he's been to his role - this young man from every single person I know that comes in contact with him echo the same sentiment "To know Malik is to love Malik". That said, Malik has proven he likely deserve at minimum a battle for a starting spot. A team like Minnesota if JJ continues to faulter might see the value of having him battle JJ...or a similar situation elsewhere that finds a team not wanting to quite draft their future, but are unsure of their present situation either. Could GB sign him, absolutely but the fact is I think that is going to come down to Malik deciding he'd rather maybe make 70% of what he might elsewhere but be in GB....I think there is value there to sign him, but teams pushing all in, inside a SB window don't spend high dollar on their backup QB. I will forever be a Malik fan regardless of where he goes (seriously, not a single place I won't deep down want to see him succeed - just not at the cost of GB).

Romeo Doubs WR - Everyone knows this guy is one of my favorite Packers. The day I hear he is not going to be back, whenever that is, will be a fricking miserable day for me. I just LOVE this young man. His story growing up, the environment he's fought to rise above...his consistency, his mental struggles...I just want him to find pure joy in live. On the field it is clear he is SOLID and one of Love's security blankets...I think he like Willis is a guy GB would love to have here, but fact is likely that if exposed to the market GB won't be willing to match want another team or two will offer...making Doubs choose to overcome what many feel is mental anxiety issues and go to yet another new place and "start anew" or stay where he knows everything....I could really see if we don't win a SB, Doubs signing a one year deal to run it back with his boys knowing that truly will be the final season in 2026. In four seasons he's started over 45 games for us, scored 19 TDs (many of the clutchest endzone grabs) and has been one of the best WRs of his class - out performing many taken above him.

Sean Rhyan iOL - Rhyan has been better than who he essentially replaced in Royce Newman...but to what degree is the question AND is he someone they want to continue having be that first man up...and does he desire that or a chance at a starting spot. Rhyan is that iOL free agent that I could see some team really liking and offer starting level money....or sit there for weeks before resigning a DEAL of a signing. Could he play his way into our center conversation for 2026 now with Jenkins out....I think that is his main way to still be here in 2026.

Quay Walker LB - If there was a player to place the Jekyl and Hyde name on it is Quay...talk about a special guy at times and at others lost. It is clearly a better 2025 team when he is in, but is it enough to sign him at starting off ball LB money???? Cooper's play this year doesn't make this decision easier for sure...

Kingsley Enagbare Edge - Everyone likely remembers me bragging on this guy as a borderline top 50 prospect early for me, and settling on him being a 3rd round graded guy on my board...thoght he was a steal then and while he isn't going to get big money, he's proven he is fully capable in the league as a secondary starter or a Edge3 for anyone. Cannot keep everyone and at this point with Oliver coming back next year, Cox being cheaper - it fiscally makes no sense to spend money on Kingsley.

Collection of expiring depth guys...
Zayne Anderson S - Just one of those depth guys, keep or not - both would be easy.
Nick Niemann LB - Been great ST guy
Kristian Welch - depth
John Fitzpatrick TE - Not a big deal IMO...but with Kraft out he likely will have value here.

Veterans facing release/trade....

Elgton Jenkins - Everyone knows his albatross of a contract in 2026 cannot and will not happen as it is written....could they find a suitor - who knows, VERY doubtful now with injury....but I think if they don't come to agreement, this is a guy they respect him too much to control where he and his family go - and they release him. Rough savings from cut/releasing/trade - $20,000,000

Rashan Gary - Yup, I think you have to at minimum put him on the list. With LVN illustrating more, having Parsons....but it would be nice to have another clear guy growing....who knows maybe they resign Kingsley at a lower figure and trade Gary due to money reasons....this is not be being a proponent of this, again tough decisions at times have to be made. Rough savings from cut/release/trade - $11,000,000

Aaron Banks - Crazy I know...but if you know you're not happy with his play....is it worth just cutting ties and saving the $4.5 Million.....some might argue absolutely.

Keisean Nixon - The outside CB experiment started out amazing....then sucked....then was decent...how does he finish the year? the fact we save $5,000,000 if we cut ties has to be weighed in on the decision. If we decide to overhaul this room entirely, might make sense to move him...I'd say good chance you might be able to pick up a late Day3 pick for him out there.

The above four guys total $40,000,000 savings...and we could even do a post June 1st trade deal or cut to spread and save touch more really...That would put us at $50.8 Million in cap space for 2026....

Now do I think all of those happen, no. In truth I think Jenkins is the only one listed above with a greater than 65% chance of happening....but it depends how much Gute wishes to push the chips in as shared early.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Release Gary?! What? Are you having a mini-stroke? Should I call 911? Lol That's about as silly of an idea as firing our young 73-36-1 head coach.

Besides that, I think Jenkins injury basically screwed his possibility of GB brass justifying his salary for 2026, as is.
I'd say walker is a keeper. He is still getting better... He earned a good raise imo.

Gute has been drafting well enough to replace any off-season losses, and eventually saturated the roster with young talent. GB will be a Superbowl contender the next 3 years minimum imo. A testimony to gute and GB brass.

And again, strategically, to get better, you need to add to the top of the roster.... Enter Parsons... Mission accomplished.

As far as Doubs goes? He is a favorite of mine too. Looks like Robert brooks and reminds me of Donald driver. I'd love to see him take less short term, and play out his career making more money long term, playing depth for a superbowl contender that respects him... Many GB WRs disappeared from NFL soon after leaving GB...

That said, Watson, Golden, Reed, Wicks, Williams, who I see as a star in the making along side golden. Williams 6'4" 222 and moves like a much smaller man. Lafleur is running the ball with him for a reason. The guy makes plays. Doubs is middle of the pack, with lots of talent nipping at his heels... GBs WR core was the best it's ever been when veteran driver humbled himself and played #5 wr. We literally overwhelmed teams with our 5 wr set and Favre... Love could have his own field stretching recipe to break defenses.... Worth a try to see what happens while Kraft and Jacob's is out.

Weaknesses ... Our trenches. Weither it's depth or top end talent. We always seem to come up shy on the Oline and interior DLine. I'm always going to say it... Bring back the grave digger NT. We need a quick burst 380+ pound giant of a man, forcing the double team in the middle. Giving our current defense another +1 advantage would make this defense elite imo.
The Oline looked rock solid to start the season. Bunch of injuries early, worked back from that, to lose Jenkins for the season. More Oline banged up. Or plug in veteran not playing up to par. Probably injury related...
From what I've seen. These types of depth guys and specialist interior def linemen are available rounds 4 and 5 consistently... We should bump that up to draft 3rd and 4th rounders the next few years, and saturate the depth of those positions.... Maybe even spend what's left of this draft on those players, and give the trenches a blast of new talent.... Get some more bruisers...

And CB and CB hybrids will always be a need. Can never have enough. I'd like to see a old past his prime all pro come to GB and put in a great season or two to finish his career with a big ring ...

 

[tynimiller]

Release Gary?! What? Are you having a mini-stroke? Should I call 911? Lol That's about as silly of an idea as firing our young 73-36-1 head coach.

Besides that, I think Jenkins injury basically screwed his possibility of GB brass justifying his salary for 2026, as is.
I'd say walker is a keeper. He is still getting better... He earned a good raise imo.

Gute has been drafting well enough to replace any off-season losses, and eventually saturated the roster with young talent. GB will be a Superbowl contender the next 3 years minimum imo. A testimony to gute and GB brass.

And again, strategically, to get better, you need to add to the top of the roster.... Enter Parsons... Mission accomplished.

As far as Doubs goes? He is a favorite of mine too. Looks like Robert brooks and reminds me of Donald driver. I'd love to see him take less short term, and play out his career making more money long term, playing depth for a superbowl contender that respects him... Many GB WRs disappeared from NFL soon after leaving GB...

That said, Watson, Golden, Reed, Wicks, Williams, who I see as a star in the making along side golden. Williams 6'4" 222 and moves like a much smaller man. Lafleur is running the ball with him for a reason. The guy makes plays. Doubs is middle of the pack, with lots of talent nipping at his heels... GBs WR core was the best it's ever been when veteran driver humbled himself and played #5 wr. We literally overwhelmed teams with our 5 wr set and Favre... Love could have his own field stretching recipe to break defenses.... Worth a try to see what happens while Kraft and Jacob's is out.

Weaknesses ... Our trenches. Weither it's depth or top end talent. We always seem to come up shy on the Oline and interior DLine. I'm always going to say it... Bring back the grave digger NT. We need a quick burst 380+ pound giant of a man, forcing the double team in the middle. Giving our current defense another +1 advantage would make this defense elite imo.
The Oline looked rock solid to start the season. Bunch of injuries early, worked back from that, to lose Jenkins for the season. More Oline banged up. Or plug in veteran not playing up to par. Probably injury related...
From what I've seen. These types of depth guys and specialist interior def linemen are available rounds 4 and 5 consistently... We should bump that up to draft 3rd and 4th rounders the next few years, and saturate the depth of those positions.... Maybe even spend what's left of this draft on those players, and give the trenches a blast of new talent.... Get some more bruisers...

And CB and CB hybrids will always be a need. Can never have enough. I'd like to see a old past his prime all pro come to GB and put in a great season or two to finish his career with a big ring ...

Directly replying to the Gary stuff...You clearly didn't read the entirety of it and took it as a prediction or declartion. You also seem to have discarded the fact the savings line was listed for a cut/release/trade - if Gary isn't in GB for 2026 it would no doubt be a trade.

Why are so many clearly unable to have nuance or hypothetical discussions these days.


I concur we are a contender for sure now and into the future.

380+ pound quick twitch guys.....k, while at it find the unicorn 6'6' 275 pound WR that runs 4.3 too....

You cannot do all you say or imply here though (if correct on this) without crippling void years...keep nixon, don't move Gary, resign Walker, don't let DOubs walk and add a capable veteran CB to that room...in the end we are on the same page, massive contender but it's gonna be a process this off season for sure of letting go of some guys that will suck...

 

[mradtke66]

Bring back the grave digger NT. We need a quick burst 380+ pound giant of a man, forcing the double team in the middle. Giving our current defense another +1 advantage would make this defense elite imo.

while at it find the unicorn 6'6' 275 pound WR that runs 4.3 too....

Why doesn't ever team do this? Are they stupid?

 

[milani]

My buddy whom I've shared often times will ask hypotheticals or Packer related questions while sharing a good smoke...last night he asked me "Ty, how do you see the incoming off season going down?"

He's a roster structure and building nut, so it makes sense like me he already cannot help but look forward, despite being in the middle of a NFC North dogfight and hopefully playoff push. It's tough to summarize the whole conversation but I will say the first words out of my mouth were "Emotional Roller Coaster".

The way I see it is Gute did for sure push a TON of chips into the middle, is it an "All In" push.....I don't know but it is a massive bet for sure - when we traded for Parsons. That said there is for sure going to be some players many of us likley will struggle with seeing leave...even if we understand and get it.

I won't claim to know for certain of course but unless we beging the void year game there is for sure some fan favorites that won't be getting resigned that have expiring contracts and/or veterans that simply are no longer worth their price tag and will be released or traded IMO as we continue to hopefully reload and push for a Lombardi (something which who knows this offseason may follow grabbing....wouldn't that be awesome).

Due to many being absolutely clueless to contract situations let me share below where we are at and the guys which IMO may be facing their final year with the Packers:

Expiring Contracts After This Season

Rasheed Walker LT - It truly is likely to come down to money. GB has a track record of being willing to pay both Tackles at same time if second contracts...could we be doing this again? I don't know...but what I do know is Rasheed is going to get paid and if it is us doing the paying it will likely chip away at a lot of cap space we will either simply not have OR need to recoup through some cuts. Either way this goes, Rasheed has overshot his expectations that many had for him, despite being a steady and awesome college starter for years - he nearly went undrafted to now being in the upper half of LTs in the game.

Malik Willis QB - What can we say other than Malik is just good people. Before I even address how clutch he's been, and how receptive he's been to his role - this young man from every single person I know that comes in contact with him echo the same sentiment "To know Malik is to love Malik". That said, Malik has proven he likely deserve at minimum a battle for a starting spot. A team like Minnesota if JJ continues to faulter might see the value of having him battle JJ...or a similar situation elsewhere that finds a team not wanting to quite draft their future, but are unsure of their present situation either. Could GB sign him, absolutely but the fact is I think that is going to come down to Malik deciding he'd rather maybe make 70% of what he might elsewhere but be in GB....I think there is value there to sign him, but teams pushing all in, inside a SB window don't spend high dollar on their backup QB. I will forever be a Malik fan regardless of where he goes (seriously, not a single place I won't deep down want to see him succeed - just not at the cost of GB).

Romeo Doubs WR - Everyone knows this guy is one of my favorite Packers. The day I hear he is not going to be back, whenever that is, will be a fricking miserable day for me. I just LOVE this young man. His story growing up, the environment he's fought to rise above...his consistency, his mental struggles...I just want him to find pure joy in live. On the field it is clear he is SOLID and one of Love's security blankets...I think he like Willis is a guy GB would love to have here, but fact is likely that if exposed to the market GB won't be willing to match want another team or two will offer...making Doubs choose to overcome what many feel is mental anxiety issues and go to yet another new place and "start anew" or stay where he knows everything....I could really see if we don't win a SB, Doubs signing a one year deal to run it back with his boys knowing that truly will be the final season in 2026. In four seasons he's started over 45 games for us, scored 19 TDs (many of the clutchest endzone grabs) and has been one of the best WRs of his class - out performing many taken above him.

Sean Rhyan iOL - Rhyan has been better than who he essentially replaced in Royce Newman...but to what degree is the question AND is he someone they want to continue having be that first man up...and does he desire that or a chance at a starting spot. Rhyan is that iOL free agent that I could see some team really liking and offer starting level money....or sit there for weeks before resigning a DEAL of a signing. Could he play his way into our center conversation for 2026 now with Jenkins out....I think that is his main way to still be here in 2026.

Quay Walker LB - If there was a player to place the Jekyl and Hyde name on it is Quay...talk about a special guy at times and at others lost. It is clearly a better 2025 team when he is in, but is it enough to sign him at starting off ball LB money???? Cooper's play this year doesn't make this decision easier for sure...

Kingsley Enagbare Edge - Everyone likely remembers me bragging on this guy as a borderline top 50 prospect early for me, and settling on him being a 3rd round graded guy on my board...thoght he was a steal then and while he isn't going to get big money, he's proven he is fully capable in the league as a secondary starter or a Edge3 for anyone. Cannot keep everyone and at this point with Oliver coming back next year, Cox being cheaper - it fiscally makes no sense to spend money on Kingsley.

Collection of expiring depth guys...
Zayne Anderson S - Just one of those depth guys, keep or not - both would be easy.
Nick Niemann LB - Been great ST guy
Kristian Welch - depth
John Fitzpatrick TE - Not a big deal IMO...but with Kraft out he likely will have value here.

Veterans facing release/trade....

Elgton Jenkins - Everyone knows his albatross of a contract in 2026 cannot and will not happen as it is written....could they find a suitor - who knows, VERY doubtful now with injury....but I think if they don't come to agreement, this is a guy they respect him too much to control where he and his family go - and they release him. Rough savings from cut/releasing/trade - $20,000,000

Rashan Gary - Yup, I think you have to at minimum put him on the list. With LVN illustrating more, having Parsons....but it would be nice to have another clear guy growing....who knows maybe they resign Kingsley at a lower figure and trade Gary due to money reasons....this is not be being a proponent of this, again tough decisions at times have to be made. Rough savings from cut/release/trade - $11,000,000

Aaron Banks - Crazy I know...but if you know you're not happy with his play....is it worth just cutting ties and saving the $4.5 Million.....some might argue absolutely.

Keisean Nixon - The outside CB experiment started out amazing....then sucked....then was decent...how does he finish the year? the fact we save $5,000,000 if we cut ties has to be weighed in on the decision. If we decide to overhaul this room entirely, might make sense to move him...I'd say good chance you might be able to pick up a late Day3 pick for him out there.

The above four guys total $40,000,000 savings...and we could even do a post June 1st trade deal or cut to spread and save touch more really...That would put us at $50.8 Million in cap space for 2026....

Now do I think all of those happen, no. In truth I think Jenkins is the only one listed above with a greater than 65% chance of happening....but it depends how much Gute wishes to push the chips in as shared early.

Gute will sign some of these. But which ones. 2026 will be more of a rebuild. Some modest free agents, undrafted signings, and a few late rounders will join the roster. A number of back up players now could become starters. Our division will be brutal and competitive for at least the next 3 seasons. The difference between 1st and 4th will not be like some of the others. And we could see 3 teams with double digit wins.

 

[mradtke66]

Rasheed Walker LT

More likely he's gone if the staff and front office say, "Yes, Morgan is our LT". The problem is Morgan isn't killing it at RG, which fine, but this is a slightly risky projection. I think it is more likely he's allowed to walk but would not be surprised either way.

Malik Willis QB

He goes where the money is, full stop. I'd guess that isn't with us, but you never know how this plays out.

Romeo Doubs WR

I be they let him go, not because he isn't solid, but because he's not special and (at least on paper) Golden, Reed, and Watson are. Or at least are more special. He leaves because someone will value him more than we do.

Sean Rhyan iOL

I suspect we try to keep him for something resembling continuity and he ends up at either C or RG (with Morgan presumably sliding to LT)

Quay Walker LB

Likely to be retained because off the ball linebackers aren't that expensive and when he's missed time (last week's stinger) his athleticism is missed.

Kingsley Enagbare Edge

He gone. He's number 4 on the depth chart for us, unless we get weird and do part with Gary, but if we part with Gary, that's gotta be financial, so we'd presumably want a rookie?

Elgton Jenkins -

As far as I'm concerned, he's done. He had an uphill battle to make the roster next year before training even started this year.

Rashan Gary -

Keisean Nixon -

I bet they stick because the savings relative to their replacement cost isn't that high.

Aaron Banks

A little bit of the above, but we don't necessarily have this man's replacement on the roster. Maybe he's gone if we re-sign Walker and decide that Morgan is a better LG than RG, then he sticks. I would presume wanting to keep the shuffling to a minimum. Having to replace/swap 3-4 starters (LT, LG, C, RG) in one season is a tall ask.

 

[gopkrs]

More likely he's gone if the staff and front office say, "Yes, Morgan is our LT". The problem is Morgan isn't killing it at RG, which fine, but this is a slightly risky projection. I think it is more likely he's allowed to walk but would not be surprised either way.



He goes where the money is, full stop. I'd guess that isn't with us, but you never know how this plays out.



I be they let him go, not because he isn't solid, but because he's not special and (at least on paper) Golden, Reed, and Watson are. Or at least are more special. He leaves because someone will value him more than we do.

I suspect we try to keep him for something resembling continuity and he ends up at either C or RG (with Morgan presumably sliding to LT)


Likely to be retained because off the ball linebackers aren't that expensive and when he's missed time (last week's stinger) his athleticism is missed.


He gone. He's number 4 on the depth chart for us, unless we get weird and do part with Gary, but if we part with Gary, that's gotta be financial, so we'd presumably want a rookie?



As far as I'm concerned, he's done. He had an uphill battle to make the roster next year before training even started this year.


I bet they stick because the savings relative to their replacement cost isn't that high.


A little bit of the above, but we don't necessarily have this man's replacement on the roster. Maybe he's gone if we re-sign Walker and decide that Morgan is a better LG than RG, then he sticks. I would presume wanting to keep the shuffling to a minimum. Having to replace/swap 3-4 starters (LT, LG, C, RG) in one season is a tall ask.

Morgan to left tackle sounds scary to me. And I like Engabare. I guess the price will matter. Also if Doubs is not here; I think we need another good receiver. Oherwise agree with you.

 

[mradtke66]

Morgan to left tackle sounds scary to me.

It's important to remember that he's a natural tackle, not a natural guard. And for all his struggles inside, he's held up well in pass protection.

Is it still gamble and projection? Sure, but nearly every decision is. This one seems safer than most.

 

[gopkrs]

It's important to remember that he's a natural tackle, not a natural guard. And for all his struggles inside, he's held up well in pass protection.

Is it still gamble and projection? Sure, but nearly every decision is. This one seems safer than most.

In that case, I would want to see him play some there. I don't remember being real impressed when he tried out R tackle. So don't want to just designate him our next L tackle. Even if we can't really afford Walker or he just costs too much; we will know to look in the draft or trade. We made out pretty well with Kinnard it looks like. There can be spots in games where he could play for a spell and put Kinnard at guard. Anyway, it would really be bad if next year Jordan is getting killed from the L side. I don't really like thinking much about next year while we are in a good situation this year.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Directly replying to the Gary stuff...You clearly didn't read the entirety of it and took it as a prediction or declartion. You also seem to have discarded the fact the savings line was listed for a cut/release/trade - if Gary isn't in GB for 2026 it would no doubt be a trade.

Why are so many clearly unable to have nuance or hypothetical discussions these days.


I concur we are a contender for sure now and into the future.

380+ pound quick twitch guys.....k, while at it find the unicorn 6'6' 275 pound WR that runs 4.3 too....

You cannot do all you say or imply here though (if correct on this) without crippling void years...keep nixon, don't move Gary, resign Walker, don't let DOubs walk and add a capable veteran CB to that room...in the end we are on the same page, massive contender but it's gonna be a process this off season for sure of letting go of some guys that will suck...

6'6" 275 runs a 4.3???

Why can't people unable to have nuance or hypothetical discussions now days?

And yes. Those big boys can have burst off the line. Many times they're physical freaks. The problem that limits the value of those monsters is they aren't every down players, and they tend to get injured of played to exhaustion.....

But used in a rotation, with certain strategies in play. They can cause the ripple effect through an already great defense....

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Why doesn't ever team do this? Are they stupid?

Every year I see some giant NT drafted by another team.... And I wonder why it's not GB....

 

[mradtke66]

Every year I see some giant NT drafted by another team.... And I wonder why it's not GB....

Sure, but most of these fall into two camps. The rare freaks who go early (and we seldom have a chance to get) or ththe flawed players who aren’t worth a second.

And actual, 380 pound playing weight players who are good are rare.

 

[tynimiller]

Sure, but most of these fall into two camps. The rare freaks who go early (and we seldom have a chance to get) or ththe flawed players who aren’t worth a second.

And actual, 380 pound playing weight players who are good are rare.

Insanely rare

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Let's take these names 1 by 1.

Rasheed Walker has been solid, he's a step below Bakhtiari was though. I wouldn't give him more than 10M a year for 3-4 years. I think he ultimately ends up staying.

Malik Willis you're not resigning unless he's willing to only take 2-3M a year for 1-2 years. He will never take that so he's gone.

Doubs will either be let go or will have to take significantly less than market value. Ultimately I think he leaves.

Sean Rhyan can we just shoot him out of a cannon? Every IOL combo we've had in there since Runyan left has included him, and we've had issues with every combo we've tried. I really think he's the problem, don't want him, don't need him, can't use him...bye bye.

Quay Walker is why the McDuffie contract proves incompetence on the part of Gutey. We've got 9-10M going to our worst linebacker for at least 2 more years, and he should be our primary backup NOT a starter. I can't see them spending the 12-15M it's gonna take to keep Quay. Sadly I think he goes, and he'll be the guy I'll miss most.

Enagbare for my money has consistently been better than Van Ness their whole time in Green Bay. Losing him is gonna bite us in the ***, and I just hope Gutey figures this out and makes it work. Status unsure.


Depth guys

I like Anderson to stay

Fitz I think is gonna depend on Kraft, because as we've seen Musgrave i.e. Deguara V.2 isn't working.

Welch you almost HAVE TO resign unless you know you're dumping McDuffie. You can replace 1 ILB, but 2? In this draft? With the O-Line help we need and CB help we need?

Niemann I won't comment on I know nothing about him.

Trade/release list I'm only gonna comment on 2.

Gary has proven to be a HELLUVA book end with Parsons. This would be like Pittsburgh letting Greg Lloyd go the year after acquiring Kevin Greene back in the 90s. It makes no sense to me.

Jenkins the problem with letting him go is depth. Rhyan is a disaster, Monk is straight up allergic to the cold, so unless you got a Creed Humphrey/Jeff Saturday/Pouncey twin type coming into the building you HAVE TO keep him

 

[PikeBadger]

Right now........

Offense
Keep Watson, let Doubs walk
Keep R. Walker if possible, release Jenkins, lowball offer to Ryhan.

Willis - Offer him 2-14M

Defense - Wyatt > Q. Walker, if it's either/or situation, got to go with Wyatt. DT's with his size and quickness are much harder to replace than Linebackers. Also, Wyatt is far less experienced in game time and has far more upside. Walker is topped out. He isn't suddenly become smart.

Enagbare can be replaced by guys behind him.

Keep Nixon, he makes plays that make a difference.

Everyone else can either be replaced or re-signed to close to mininmum.

 

[milani]

Right now........

Offense
Keep Watson, let Doubs walk
Keep R. Walker if possible, release Jenkins, lowball offer to Ryhan.

Willis - Offer him 2-14M

Defense - Wyatt > Q. Walker, if it's either/or situation, got to go with Wyatt. DT's with his size and quickness are much harder to replace than Linebackers. Also, Wyatt is far less experienced in game time and has far more upside. Walker is topped out. He isn't suddenly become smart.

Enagbare can be replaced by guys behind him.

Keep Nixon, he makes plays that make a difference.

Everyone else can either be replaced or re-signed to close to mininmum.

I will leave it up to Gute. He gets paid for all that.

 

[tynimiller]

Right now........

Offense
Keep Watson, let Doubs walk
Keep R. Walker if possible, release Jenkins, lowball offer to Ryhan.

Willis - Offer him 2-14M

Defense - Wyatt > Q. Walker, if it's either/or situation, got to go with Wyatt. DT's with his size and quickness are much harder to replace than Linebackers. Also, Wyatt is far less experienced in game time and has far more upside. Walker is topped out. He isn't suddenly become smart.

Enagbare can be replaced by guys behind him.

Keep Nixon, he makes plays that make a difference.

Everyone else can either be replaced or re-signed to close to mininmum.

Wyatt's contract isn't up...

 

[PikeBadger]

Wyatt's contract isn't up...

Q.Walker and Wyatt were drafted in the same year, weren't they?

 

[gopkrs]

Q.Walker and Wyatt were drafted in the same year, weren't they?

Yes but the position makes a difference on what the 5th year option or the new contract will look like

 

[tynimiller]

Q.Walker and Wyatt were drafted in the same year, weren't they?

We picked up Wyatt’s option long time ago before deadline to do so hit.

Also Watson isn’t up for contract either, they did a one year extension early this year.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

6'6" 275 runs a 4.3???

Why can't people unable to have nuance or hypothetical discussions now days?

And yes. Those big boys can have burst off the line. Many times they're physical freaks. The problem that limits the value of those monsters is they aren't every down players, and they tend to get injured of played to exhaustion.....

But used in a rotation, with certain strategies in play. They can cause the ripple effect through an already great defense....

Rashan Gary has been a bust the past two seasons and at some point fans need to realize that measurables are only a small part of what makes elite players elite. No Packers defender has played more snaps and had fewer pressures on the QB than Gary this season. At some point it might be worth entertaining trade offers for him. The chart below shows data from NFL Pro.

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[PikeBadger]

We picked up Wyatt’s option long time ago before deadline to do so hit.

Also Watson isn’t up for contract either, they did a one year extension early this year.

Thanks for the clarification. How do you think the 26 cap situation looks in totality?

 

[tynimiller]

Thanks for the clarification. How do you think the 26 cap situation looks in totality?

In totality we are fine, but if we want to continue to try and push the gas pedal and be a player in at least one key signing we will have to for sure make some decisions that will be interesting.

 

[PikeBadger]

In totality we are fine, but if we want to continue to try and push the gas pedal and be a player in at least one key signing we will have to for sure make some decisions that will be interesting.

I'd settle for a key signing at center or tight end.

 

[tynimiller]

I'd settle for a key signing at center or tight end.

I do think with CB seemingly being the shiny object folks keep looking to I also believe Tight End could be that piece potentially. I would support a center signing but GB just so rarely builds the OL from outside (other than late round trades or low tier guys) BUT Banks changed that recently...and he may have made them regret it LOL

While we won't be top of market spender (Kraft will get that) some guys to keep eyes on in FA I think could get a call placed on interest:

Jeremy Ruckert - Jets - Ruckert was a prospect I really liked as a high floor type dude that is fully willing to block, but can and does contribute through the air some. With the Jets rebuilding, and Ruckert not lighting the world unfire at all, I could see them not try and keep him in house. He's only put up 383 yards in his career but over 25 starts (once this season is done) averaging 7.8 yards per reception and a willing blocker with pretty solid chops for it could be a perfect pairing with Kraft. Ruckert is still quite young as well.

Adam Trautman - Broncos - Denver nabbed him for 2 years and $7.5M and he's been solid for that rate for sure. Again not a world beater but could make a good TE2. Now he is less of a blocker than I like, and he isn't stellar at anything...he does however get the job done. 1,126 yards over his six seasons (he's 28+ years old) and a 10.6 yards per catch (10 TDs)...he too could be a good pairing.

Foster Moreau - New Orleans - Foster at times has played for sure like a TE1 in this league. Some health issues last two seasons have not helped but he has been back out there of late, and possibly gives hope for future team to think perhaps he an regain in 2026 that 2024 version of himself where he put up 413 yards / 12.9 YPR / 5 TDs and was a security blanket for his QB. His run blocking is not great, but he suprisingly is decent in pass block chances...IF signed, and IF he regains some of those old chops he has, he is for sure the most lethal option listed so far, but carries the most risk too.

Austin Hooper - New England - He's 31 now so not what he used to be (a surefire TE1)....BUT he's still performing very well and could be that "swing" of sorts by Gute that likely won't break the bank too terribly much (signed a $5M one year deal with Patriots for this year). Patriots may not let him leave however and with the team seeing success he very well might want to stay.

Durham Smythe - Chicago - Durham was a clear TE2 type receiving threat TE in Miami...I mean the dude from 2020 to 2023 put up 1,060 yards on 110 receptions or 9.63 yards per reception. Chicago has Loveland and Kmet...Smythe just doesn't get the field much. He'd be that low rish, low cost guy you're seeing if he still has some of that juice and it is just the situation infront of him that caused him to not produce.

Noah Fant - Cinci - Noah cannot block....okay he can, and will sparingly but Noah is a receving TE through and through. He is a GREAT target if MLF plans on opening up the offense and letting Love cook. If not, I think we honestly are best off not considering Fant. He delivers though for sure...3,570 yards over his 7 year career...4 seasons of 500 yards delivered or more...but he is for sure slowing down some....but I still think he's going to get for a TE one more solid contract - and it should not be us.

Mo Alie-Cox - Colts - I really am intrigued by how Mo might pair with Kraft. He is a 6'6 framed 270lb TE willing to block (capable as well) that also does exceptional with short yardage routes. He's been with Indy for 8 years now, is 32....he might be looking to sign with what is comfortable, but if he answers the call I think he is a fit.