Love vs. Willis

[AKCheese]

If I’m remembering properly Love was the #1 QB in the league over that stretch so if you want to opine that if he’s not the best QB in the league, he has regressed. Lets grant you that. (It’s a stupid arguement but lets grant it.) By that same point, he’s also proven the ability to be THE BEST QB IN THE LEAGUE (because you want to look at fractions of seasons). Jordan Love is not what is holding this team back.

 

[Thirteen Below]

I know I’m just trying to clarify what some people are advocating…

Oh, I knew that about you.

I just can't believe some of the crap people are coming up with.

 

[milani]

Look you’re on record that Love is a bad NFL QB and Willis is and will be a BETTER NFL QB. The nice thing about these differences of opinion (yes I disagree), is we are going to find out. And wait what? Completion % up (and yes 3%+ is significant) Interceptions down, QBR up, looks like improvement to me. But you’re turn where has he gotten worse? You put Willis and Love out on the street tomorrow its LAUGHABLE to think Willis would get more interest (ok well maybe by

I never said he regressed. I said he hasn't progressed significantly.

He is actually better than he was in 2023. Sees the field better, changes plays accordingly, has heightened his clock management, knows where his receivers should be.
Back in circa 1970 the Bears had this QB named Jack Concannon. His back up was rookie Bobby Douglass, who was better suited to running with the ball than throwing. Concannon was typical of Bear QBs back them. I.E. Lousy. But near the end of the season he had a career day against the Packers. Media lobbied to keep Concannon. Fans lobbied for Douglass. Why? The real pundits argued that the only reason Concannon had all those numbers was because the lowly Packers left the receivers wide open all day. And they were right.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Look you’re on record that Love is a bad NFL QB and Willis is and will be a BETTER NFL QB. The nice thing about these differences of opinion (yes I disagree), is we are going to find out. And wait what? Completion % up (and yes 3%+ is significant) Interceptions down, QBR up, looks like improvement to me. But you’re turn where has he gotten worse? You put Willis and Love out on the street tomorrow its LAUGHABLE to think Willis would get more interest (ok well maybe by Clevland

We can debate without lying, so why don't you try again? Show me ONE post where I ever said Love is a "bad NFL QB" as you claim.

 

[tynimiller]

I'm not going to do your homework for you. But taking a quick look at PFR, his stats over the last 3 years have been pretty consistent. His passer rating is up 4.5 points. He has 5 fewer INTs. He's TD% is down slightly. His completion % is up slightly. But no big jumps in his performance in his three seasons. In fact, his best stretch was post-Halloween in 2023. He hasn't matched the level he was playing during those 2.5 months since.

LOL I didn't make the claim - you did. Love has performed, especially in efficiency metrics insanely well and done so essentially ever since taking over as a starter. It seems holding to being one of the top QBs in the league in a lot of areas isn't enough these days....folks get too distracted by the nice shiny toy....just like they did with Flynn.

 

[BrokenArrow]

LOL I didn't make the claim - you did. Love has performed, especially in efficiency metrics insanely well and done so essentially ever since taking over as a starter. It seems holding to being one of the top QBs in the league in a lot of areas isn't enough these days....folks get too distracted by the nice shiny toy....just like they did with Flynn.

The claim I made is that he hasn't significantly improved his game in the past two seasons and I stand by it. He started the first half of 2023 playing some bad football. But after Halloween, he played himself right into the MVP conversation. And you still don't seem to understand that statistics don't tell the whole story. His accuracy remains spotty. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's meh. He still throws up jump balls with regularity. Our WRs often find themselves switching to defense on the fly because he throws into triple coverage. He still has trouble feeling pressure. If he could just improve on those aspects, he'd be fantastic. BTW, since you're all about stats, why do you never mention how much better Love's are than Willis'? And why do you seem to need to insult the man by calling him a "shiny toy?"

 

[tynimiller]

The claim I made is that he hasn't significantly improved his game in the past two seasons and I stand by it. He started the first half of 2023 playing some bad football. But after Halloween, he played himself right into the MVP conversation. And you still don't seem to understand that statistics don't tell the whole story. His accuracy remains spotty. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's meh. He still throws up jump balls with regularity. Our WRs often find themselves switching to defense on the fly because he throws into triple coverage. He still has trouble feeling pressure. If he could just improve on those aspects, he'd be fantastic. BTW, since you're all about stats, why do you never mention how much better Love's are than Willis'? And why do you seem to need to insult the man by calling him a "shiny toy?"

There is no difference with how I'm downplaying Willis to illustrate how dumb it is to downplay Love like you've done.

If Love and Willis both hit the FA market this year together, I guarantee - I'd bet my house my family lives in that Love gets more suitors and higher contract. He is better - plain and simple. Willis is good and I've said as much.

 

[Pugger]

Niners really miss Bosa and Warner.

Just like we miss Wyatt and Parsons. I suspect their OL and corners are better than ours.

 

[milani]

Just like we miss Wyatt and Parsons. I suspect their OL and corners are better than ours.

If they had a pass rush no telling where they go. In 2026 they will be a high favorite to go to the SB.

 

[BrokenArrow]

There is no difference with how I'm downplaying Willis to illustrate how dumb it is to downplay Love like you've done.

If Love and Willis both hit the FA market this year together, I guarantee - I'd bet my house my family lives in that Love gets more suitors and higher contract. He is better - plain and simple. Willis is good and I've said as much.

I haven't downplayed Love. He's fine and he's a guy you can win with. But for you to say "Love is better - plain and simple." is nothing more than a declaration. What, specifically does he do better than Willis? You just ignore all the things that Willis does better as if they are irrelevant. They're not. Truth is, we don't yet know how good Willis can be. But as it stands now, he does everything Love can and more. You see things Love does better? What are they? Quantify them if you can. After all, you're a stat guy.

 

[tynimiller]

I haven't downplayed Love. He's fine and he's a guy you can win with. But for you to say "Love is better - plain and simple." is nothing more than a declaration. What, specifically does he do better than Willis? You just ignore all the things that Willis does better as if they are irrelevant. They're not. Truth is, we don't yet know how good Willis can be. But as it stands now, he does everything Love can and more. You see things Love does better? What are they? Quantify them if you can. After all, you're a stat guy.

If you look solely at Willis limited snaps this season alone and compare them to Love, of course many of the metrics will make you think Willis is a better QB and more capable. However, Love can and does make throws which Willis simply doesn't nearly as well - honestly some of Love's balls are likely only done by handful of guys in the league. Love's vision and anticipation is one of the best in the league (not quite on par with prime Rodgers, but getting there).

Some of the throws Love makes which I've yet to see Willis make are those throws where he has to clear a front defender and under throw the back defender to a guy - it is an incredibly hard throw to master and is one of the reasons why Stafford feasts when he is on, or Rodgers did back in the day. Most even good QBs in the league fail at this and have to shade left or right of the defender underneath.

I also cannot simply erase Willis's seasons while in Tennessee as if they didn't exist. Yes, coaching staff and roster wasn't as good BUT the throws he made were autrocious at times - that is on him. Now he's barely played over the years, even here limited. Is he a Tyler Huntley type who lit it absolutely unfire when called upon and now settled back into his back up role - one which he excels at OR is he going to be like Matt Flynn and get a chance and burn out.....or could he be like Aaron Brooks and looks promising and go on to be a starter for years but most people forget about because while good he was never great? No one knows, but all I know is GB is crazy fortunate to have Love who has proven for years now to be upper echelon of the active QBs and Willis who has played high level starting level ball this year when called upon.

 

[Snoops]

Green Bay should try and find a way to keep Willis. I’m sure Willis will be looking to cash in it will come down to does he have a legit chance to start or is he a bridge qb and competes. I agree with the situation he has been I can see him going to the jets or a crappy team and absolutely sucking like he did on the titans. Then again who knows. I think if the money is close Green Bay needs to find a way to keep him investing in the most important position is vital to success. It’s nice to have a good qb that’s a backup on the team. Look at what they paying Nate Hobbs in money and what he has accomplished… if they want him they can keep him as long as another team doesn’t throw a ridiculous amount of money at him

 

[gopkrs]

Green Bay should try and find a way to keep Willis. I’m sure Willis will be looking to cash in it will come down to does he have a legit chance to start or is he a bridge qb and competes. I agree with the situation he has been I can see him going to the jets or a crappy team and absolutely sucking like he did on the titans. Then again who knows. I think if the money is close Green Bay needs to find a way to keep him investing in the most important position is vital to success. It’s nice to have a good qb that’s a backup on the team. Look at what they paying Nate Hobbs in money and what he has accomplished… if they want him they can keep him as long as another team doesn’t throw a ridiculous amount of money at him

I like what you say but I think some team is going to pay him some good money that we can't afford. But I'd be all for it if we could do it. And then we'd be ready to do what's best for us when Jordan's contract does come up. And Jordan seems a bit fragile.

 

[Snoops]

I like what you say but I think some team is going to pay him some good money that we can't afford. But I'd be all for it if we could do it. And then we'd be ready to do what's best for us when Jordan's contract does come up. And Jordan seems a bit fragile.

In my unpopular opinion I think Jordan love is an average qb that has some really good games to make him look better than what he is. He is paid top 5 money and I don’t think he can win games on his own. He isn’t good at playing from behind I can’t stand the back foot throws and I don’t think he is that accurate and my biggest thing with him is that he is consistently inconsistent. I know stats say a different story I’m talking what I see on film and observe. I don’t think Love is going to ever take that step forward like everyone thinks. What you see now is what love is. MLF frustrates the heck out of me but he is a good coach with what he has I look at San Fran a good system that’s friendly to the qb hence why Purdy looks as good as he does I personally think Purdy blows scrotes but he does well look at darnold jimmy g all those guys. Willis benefits from the system Matt lafleur runs I don’t think you can just turn the keys over to Willis but he runs it well he threw 3 incompletions almost 300 yards and ran for 60. He proved this last game he can make every throw love does. Love can’t run he looks like a giraffe when he finally takes off lol I evaluate that stuff I think a lot of credit should actually go to Mlf. Experience and confidence does matter to players when you looked at Willis in Tennessee and where he is now. Green Bay overpaid Love but they had to pay him because this is what the league is. But I don’t think we should overlook Willis and automatically think Love is better just because he got paid. And teams do that because it’s all about money and they dont like admitting mistakes when’s it’s applicable not saying love was a mistake but you catch my drift.
Injuries have plagued this team this year so I think MLF and Gute are both safe but Gute has to fix the depth and get Corners moving forward this will be a big offseason for Gute who imo is on the hotter seat.

 

[Magooch]

I doubt it is given very much serious consideration at all. But IF you can string together a "bridge" year - where you keep Love as the hit is just too great AND convince Willis to re-sign as well - there is a theoretical "out" in Love's contract in 2027 with "only" 51m of dead cap (depending on when it's processed and how it's split)

Of course practically speaking there are some issues here. Probably the only way you can convince Willis to re-sign (in addition to the money) is if you're going to promise him a bigger role in 2026 and a clear pathway to a starting role in 2027. Otherwise there will be plenty of other teams who can likely offer him the same (or better) money and a starting spot in 2026. Maybe he is happy in GB but I doubt he would turn down a 2026 starting role and starter's pay in order to stay in GB unless you make it pretty clear to him that he will have a great shot at being the starter in 2027.

And on the other hand you have Love, and between him and his representatives they are undoubtedly going to be aware of this situation as well. They know his contract and they know we aren't going to keep two QBs long-term. In that situation you basically have a 200m+ lame-duck QB contract for the year until Willis can step in and start and you move on from Love. And I don't see Love's camp having any interest in entertaining that scenario or doing anything to assist in that "transition". They would never accept that kind of arrangement (and why would they?) and it would almost certainly create more drama than it's worth. And as they say, if you have two QBs, you have none....

It won't happen but I think the only way it would be considered is if you moved this offseason and just ABSOLUTELY took your lumps for a year. I don't see Willis/Love agreeing to a scenario in which both coexist long-term (again Willis can start elsewhere, and as long as Love is here under contract he'll play) and I don't see either party agreeing to a delayed one year "transition plan" either. It's either Love and no Willis in 2026 and beyond or (infinitely less likely) Willis and no Love in 2026 and beyond.

That all said, with regards to Love...he was also quite literally 3rd in MVP odds like a month ago, and he had got as high as +220ish (current odds are Stafford at -225 and Maye at +180....followed by a huge gap till Allen at +10000) He had been better than +1000 from Thanksgiving until injury basically.

Moreover he has been top 5 in EPA, adjusted EPA, CPOE, PFF rating, passer rating, QBR, ANY/A, etc all season long. He doesn't have the same "volume-based" stats (i.e. total TD, passing yards etc) but per-play and by virtually every advanced analytic he's been a top 3-5 QB all season long.

Now to be fair by those same measures Willis has been as good or better this season. But Willis also has a grand total of 98 offensive snaps to Love's 894. And in this sense most analytics/stats utilities you may find don't even have Willis clearing the minimum bar for snaps/attempts to make any of the stat "leaderboards". If Pro Football Reference, RBSDM, PFF, etc are all saying "We don't have enough data to evaluate" then personally I don't really feel like I have any business making that sort of comparison at this point either....not only is the sample size still incredibly small, the recent matches are truthfully the best performances of Willis' career. And that is great for him and I'm happy for him. But I would not count on maintaining that level.... and I also don't think it makes a ton of sense or is a terribly honest case to single out the absolute best ~3-4 total games of Willis' career and compare them against the whole body of work for Love. It doesn't make much sense to consider Love's whole career but then wipe out half of Willis' because he had bad coaches then or whatnot (however true that may be, it's a soured comparison IMO). If nothing else perhaps we look at the absolute best 12-16 quarters of Love's career compared against Willis' to get a somewhat more fair comparison, no?

 

[Snoops]

I doubt it is given very much serious consideration at all. But IF you can string together a "bridge" year - where you keep Love as the hit is just too great AND convince Willis to re-sign as well - there is a theoretical "out" in Love's contract in 2027 with "only" 51m of dead cap (depending on when it's processed and how it's split)

Of course practically speaking there are some issues here. Probably the only way you can convince Willis to re-sign (in addition to the money) is if you're going to promise him a bigger role in 2026 and a clear pathway to a starting role in 2027. Otherwise there will be plenty of other teams who can likely offer him the same (or better) money and a starting spot in 2026. Maybe he is happy in GB but I doubt he would turn down a 2026 starting role and starter's pay in order to stay in GB unless you make it pretty clear to him that he will have a great shot at being the starter in 2027.

And on the other hand you have Love, and between him and his representatives they are undoubtedly going to be aware of this situation as well. They know his contract and they know we aren't going to keep two QBs long-term. In that situation you basically have a 200m+ lame-duck QB contract for the year until Willis can step in and start and you move on from Love. And I don't see Love's camp having any interest in entertaining that scenario or doing anything to assist in that "transition". They would never accept that kind of arrangement (and why would they?) and it would almost certainly create more drama than it's worth. And as they say, if you have two QBs, you have none....

It won't happen but I think the only way it would be considered is if you moved this offseason and just ABSOLUTELY took your lumps for a year. I don't see Willis/Love agreeing to a scenario in which both coexist long-term (again Willis can start elsewhere, and as long as Love is here under contract he'll play) and I don't see either party agreeing to a delayed one year "transition plan" either. It's either Love and no Willis in 2026 and beyond or (infinitely less likely) Willis and no Love in 2026 and beyond.

That all said, with regards to Love...he was also quite literally 3rd in MVP odds like a month ago, and he had got as high as +220ish (current odds are Stafford at -225 and Maye at +180....followed by a huge gap till Allen at +10000) He had been better than +1000 from Thanksgiving until injury basically.

Moreover he has been top 5 in EPA, adjusted EPA, CPOE, PFF rating, passer rating, QBR, ANY/A, etc all season long. He doesn't have the same "volume-based" stats (i.e. total TD, passing yards etc) but per-play and by virtually every advanced analytic he's been a top 3-5 QB all season long.

Now to be fair by those same measures Willis has been as good or better this season. But Willis also has a grand total of 98 offensive snaps to Love's 894. And in this sense most analytics/stats utilities you may find don't even have Willis clearing the minimum bar for snaps/attempts to make any of the stat "leaderboards". If Pro Football Reference, RBSDM, PFF, etc are all saying "We don't have enough data to evaluate" then personally I don't really feel like I have any business making that sort of comparison at this point either....not only is the sample size still incredibly small, the recent matches are truthfully the best performances of Willis' career. And that is great for him and I'm happy for him. But I would not count on maintaining that level.... and I also don't think it makes a ton of sense or is a terribly honest case to single out the absolute best ~3-4 total games of Willis' career and compare them against the whole body of work for Love. It doesn't make much sense to consider Love's whole career but then wipe out half of Willis' because he had bad coaches then or whatnot (however true that may be, it's a soured comparison IMO). If nothing else perhaps we look at the absolute best 12-16 quarters of Love's career compared against Willis' to get a somewhat more fair comparison, no?

You posted right after me I like this take and definitely goes with what I said. Love by the numbers is a good QB but I evaluate the film and what he has done.

 

[Snoops]

It’s also to be known that MLF has said that Love is the starting QB and Willis is not even in the conversation so Willis likely walks

 

[OldSchool101]

I know I’m just trying to clarify what some people are advocating…

I see. You’re playing Devils advocate etc

The fact remains that with the current information and sample sizes.. Love would get Picked over Malik Willis. Now I love me some Malik and if I could trade in a likely 4th comp or pay Malik a reasonable 2yr/$20M to stay? I’d do it. Yet imo he’s in no man’s land. He won’t get $35m yearly but he’ll get over $15mil++ yearly on a multi year deal

Yet if you asked me to pay Malik starter $$ I’d be hesitant and I’m definitely going lower guaranteed + possibly performance based incentives.

Yet I wouldn’t do that if I had to extend Love. Jordan might not command league leading $$ but he’s going to get a $50mil yearly somewhere. Regular performing, Top 10 starting QB’s don’t grow on trees

 

[Magooch]

You posted right after me I like this take and definitely goes with what I said. Love by the numbers is a good QB but I evaluate the film and what he has done.

There's some truth to that but again I also think it's a matter of sample size. Love has nearly 10x the reps as Willis this year alone, no matter how objective we try and be (and no matter how good or bad Willis plays/played) the sheer volume of it is going to make Love's issues/errors/etc seem more apparent. That's not to say Willis hasn't been good or Love hasn't made mistakes, but when you evaluate a player on 900 snaps rather than 90 it's always going to paint a different picture IMO.

It's tough for me to say too because Love has pretty consistently been a good "numbers" QB who often doesn't appear it to the "eye test". And if we were looking at a much, MUCH smaller sampling that would make sense. There have been plenty of instances where Love will make a "bad" throw and a "should have been intercepted" turns into a harmless incompletion or miracle catch for us, and people will look at it and say "Well, he got away with one there". And on a one-off or limited basis that makes sense and is probably fair to say. But Love has been doing this so frequently for so long - he has such a large body of work to draw upon - how long can we still say he is just "getting away with it" or whatever? If the numbers are outpacing the "eye test" for whole seasons, for YEARS on end, at what point do we start to trust the measurables? Or do we still default to just what we see/observe? I don't know the answer for sure but I guess my point is that - regardless of what the eye test gives us - if Love is consistently putting up great numbers (and by and large he has been) over a multi-year period then I can only conclude Love is either the luckiest QB of ALL TIME or he is actually pretty good, even if unorthodox or not always "appearing" that way, ya know?

 

[OldSchool101]

I actually like Willis. It’s even possible he’s becoming that Darnold type QB that just needed time to mature. Doubtful he’ll be at that level, but certainly possible. After all many position groups it takes 3-5 seasons to hit stride. That was Darnold he’s a late bloomer.

That said. We can only go by what’s evidenced on the field. I’ve also noticed some fans cherry picking 2 starts as evidence for an already short career. Malik is NOT 85% comp % that’s using his best couple games.

Malik has 6 starts and he’s at exactly
67.7% comp %. He’s averaging 9 pass attempts per game in 2025. Heck he has 5.5 Rushes per game so he’s essentially taking what Defenses give him which is smart (and designed).

Passing yards per game?
Malik 60 (67.7%)
Love 202 (64.3%)

Now who in here would argue that when your attempts increase over 3X That your completion% gets better and even retains 85%?? That’s really a hard sell. I’m talking like door to door soliciting and starting with beating the heck out of my door!! I’m mad before I even answer!!

While Love is below Willis, his has increased in each season and is currently (66.3%) and on a MUCH larger sample. 29 pass attempts per contest vs 9 pass attempts per for Willis. I hope you guys aren’t thinking you can extrapolate 9 pass attempts per game across a career and expect to retain the same comp%. OR worse yet use a sample of 35 pass attempts at 85% and pluck them out if a career of information and imply he’s going to retain that across a season? Much less a career? I can go through a career of QB’s and find a 35 pass attempt stretch that’s very impressive for the bulk of QB’s.

TD/INT
Malik 6/3 (.500 ration 2:1 TD:INT)
Love 83/31 (.374 ratio or almost 3:1)

Malik Starter record
0-1
Malik Career record
3-3 (.500)

Love Starting record
27-20-1 (.727)

 

[OldSchool101]

Now I’m NOT down on Malik. I think the kid is terrific. What’s being missed here is something greater. How did we get him for a late 7th round draft selection?? Who did that?! because he’s a stud for a QB2 option!

We’re talking paying out a future 7th to come in a play nearly as good or better than our Starter for 2 seasons! Then getting back potentially or realistically a 4th Rounder after we’re done with him? As far as a Free Agency move this gets an A+ for Brian Gutenkunst. I’m talking like standing up and clapping.

Then looking at Banks his contract was frugal smart. He applied $9m (2025 under the bridge) +$6.75m future dead for services and we can walk away? Are you kidding me! Saving $18Mil off our Cap in 2026?? Wow that’s total under the radar smart just have to carry his cap until Jun? Incredible

For every mistake Brian makes? He pulls a Rasul or Malik type move that nets us free draft capital. Pure brilliance

So we signed Rasul off PS and used him a couple years and traded a late 4th for a late 3rd (Lloyd). Then just likely recouped that Rasul parted 4th with a Willis futuristic compensatory? That means only monetary usage due Rasul and Malik, but Lloyd selection now washes in time value into a later 5th rounder to earlier 6th. I tell ya that Brian turns chicken poo into salad

 

[BrokenArrow]

If you look solely at Willis limited snaps this season alone and compare them to Love, of course many of the metrics will make you think Willis is a better QB and more capable. However, Love can and does make throws which Willis simply doesn't nearly as well - honestly some of Love's balls are likely only done by handful of guys in the league. Love's vision and anticipation is one of the best in the league (not quite on par with prime Rodgers, but getting there).

That TD pass he threw against the Giants when he came in for one drive was upper echelon stuff. So was his long pass to the right sideline early against the Ravens. So do you have any criticisms at all with Love's game? Are you happy with the jump balls into triple coverage off his back foot that he likes to chuck? We've been very lucky on a lot of those. More than once our receivers have had to switch to DB and play defense on some of them. It seems to me that not only do you want to downplay the good things Willis brings, but you also downplay the things Love needs to clean up and has not done in 3 years.

 

[tynimiller]

That TD pass he threw against the Giants when he came in for one drive was upper echelon stuff. So was his long pass to the right sideline early against the Ravens. So do you have any criticisms at all with Love's game? Are you happy with the jump balls into triple coverage off his back foot that he likes to chuck? We've been very lucky on a lot of those. More than once our receivers have had to switch to DB and play defense on some of them. It seems to me that not only do you want to downplay the good things Willis brings, but you also downplay the things Love needs to clean up and has not done in 3 years.

I don’t think you pay attention or don’t spend enough time here - I am about the most unbiased poster here, and try to avoid ever presenting things that only fit what I perhaps thought or hoped to be the case.

I thought Doubs was gonna be a better receiver than Watson when we drafted them and had reservations Watson could learn crisp route running…was wrong.

Love isn’t perfect at all, but no QB is.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I don’t think you pay attention or don’t spend enough time here - I am about the most unbiased poster here, and try to avoid ever presenting things that only fit what I perhaps thought or hoped to be the case.

I thought Doubs was gonna be a better receiver than Watson when we drafted them and had reservations Watson could learn crisp route running…was wrong.

Love isn’t perfect at all, but no QB is.

My gripes with Love are basically 2 things: his propensity to chuck the ball up for grabs too much, and his poor pocket awareness. A distant third is his spotty ability to hit his receivers in stride. He underthrows a LOT on throws over 25 yards. Malik's deep ball accuracy is much better.

 

[milani]

That TD pass he threw against the Giants when he came in for one drive was upper echelon stuff. So was his long pass to the right sideline early against the Ravens. So do you have any criticisms at all with Love's game? Are you happy with the jump balls into triple coverage off his back foot that he likes to chuck? We've been very lucky on a lot of those. More than once our receivers have had to switch to DB and play defense on some of them. It seems to me that not only do you want to downplay the good things Willis brings, but you also downplay the things Love needs to clean up and has not done in 3 years.

I try not to pass judgment on QB too soon if they have only played in a handful of games over two year. It is like assuming Luke is the franchise kicker because he made his kicks over 2 games including a 61 yarder. The book was not out on Favre just because he pulled out some victories when Majik went down. He was all we had and he passed through 1992 with promise.