The Incoming Offseason...Will Be An Emotional Roller Coaster...

[milani]

With the loss of Kraft, Wyatt, Watson (again) and now Parsons this will be a difficult offseason without high picks in this upcoming draft. The secondary and OL needs help too.

It is what it is.

 

[Sanguine camper]

It is what it is.

I think it's time to give up on Watson. He's glass. Great talent but it doesn't do much good on the IR.
The lack of first round picks will preclude picking a CB, or pass rusher that can help. The mid second round pick should probably go towards defensive line or TE.

 

[tynimiller]

I think it's time to give up on Watson. He's glass. Great talent but it doesn't do much good on the IR.
The lack of first round picks will preclude picking a CB, or pass rusher that can help. The mid second round pick should probably go towards defensive line or TE.

How folks can see that impact to the ground and think glass is beyond me. Also it would be so incredibly ignorant to walk from a guy that isn’t expensive to keep and is our deadliest weapon without question…

 

[DoURant]

How folks can see that impact to the ground and think glass is beyond me. Also it would be so incredibly ignorant to walk from a guy that isn’t expensive to keep and is our deadliest weapon without question…

I hate when people use that term "glass" injuries are injuries, and like you said that impact was brutal. That being said, CDubs dad said he's fine, so that's good news, and some pretty strong glass, if nothings broken.

 

[Pugger]

I think it's time to give up on Watson. He's glass. Great talent but it doesn't do much good on the IR.
The lack of first round picks will preclude picking a CB, or pass rusher that can help. The mid second round pick should probably go towards defensive line or TE.

I don't know if TE is a pressing need but DBs, DL, and OL need an infusion of talent.

 

[milani]

I think it's time to give up on Watson. He's glass. Great talent but it doesn't do much good on the IR.
The lack of first round picks will preclude picking a CB, or pass rusher that can help. The mid second round pick should probably go towards defensive line or TE.

I thought that after last year but he does have talent. Has to learn to quit diving all the time. One of Randy Moss's hidden skills was that he rarely put himself in harm's way.

 

[Sanguine camper]

I don't know if TE is a pressing need but DBs, DL, and OL need an infusion of talent.

TE is a big need. Currently, the position is very weak and Kraft will probably be out til mid season. They also need a bone fide TE #2.

 

[milani]

TE is a big need. Currently, the position is very weak and Kraft will probably be out til mid season. They also need a bone fide TE #2.

A number of players will be out until midseason.

 

[AKCheese]

if I’m remembering correctly Watson went out at the very end of last year so its very possible Kraft if back at or near the beginning. As an example, Cooper DeJean was taken (late?) in the second round so to think that we can’t address the secondary at least partially via the draft seems pessimistic to me.

 

[tynimiller]

if I’m remembering correctly Watson went out at the very end of last year so its very possible Kraft if back at or near the beginning. As an example, Cooper DeJean was taken (late?) in the second round so to think that we can’t address the secondary at least partially via the draft seems pessimistic to me.

There are always guys that can be contributors well into the draft, and to be fair Gute more than many have proven capable of doing that. Shoot....just 2024 draft saw us add Edgerrin Cooper / Javon Bullard / Evan Williams all second - fourth round.

Shoot this last season just a few guys that I was praying and begging the football Gods we would pick on Day3 that come to mind include Oronde Gadsen TE who has been lighting the league up this year. Barrett Carter LB is showing he belongs, Gunnar Helm TE another TE option I was high on, Teddye Buchanan LB I was very high has been awesome, Denzel Burke CB...likely some others but needless to say it still can be done - of course odds are tougher for sure but still.

 

[JoePack]

Now I know we will have many positions to upgrade but if possible I'd like Gute to draft

Kaden Wetjen from Iowa. On run backs he can be worth a touchdown plus increasing field position by 15-20yds. Only 5'9" wr but really good. Of course we might need a new special teams coach.​

 

[Sanguine camper]

A number of players will be out until midseason.

No doubt, when the Packers get thrashed, the resultng injury load not only wrecks the current season, it wrecks the next season. The losses against Carolina and Denver were franchise altering *** kickings

They've wiped out two seasons. With that, you could make an argument that the MLF and Gute can't build and coach teams that can compete for a championship. Too fragile and too many holes in the roster.

Some might say that's too negative. The injury epidemic isn't over, however. After Kraft went down, I predicted more key players were going down with season ending injuries. There are three more games this season for more injuries to devastate the franchise.

If the Packers want to believe that all injuries are random then they won't be a serious contender.

 

[tynimiller]

Now I know we will have many positions to upgrade but if possible I'd like Gute to draft

Kaden Wetjen from Iowa. On run backs he can be worth a touchdown plus increasing field position by 15-20yds. Only 5'9" wr but really good. Of course we might need a new special teams coach.​

We won't have a need at WR and if we go a WR I highly suspect it is late Day3...right now we return that entire room Watson, Reed, Wicks, Golden, Melton, Savion Williams without doing anything except a RFA tender on Melton. Doubs is the only loss if nothing is done. IMO would be mismangement of draft resources to target a WR.

Now that said Kaden Wetjen is likely IMO not a guy anyone burns a pick on until Late Day3. He just offers nothing more than ST value as even at a weak school like Iowa has barely done anything outside of returns. Priority UDFA IMO.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Now I know we will have many positions to upgrade but if possible I'd like Gute to draft

Kaden Wetjen from Iowa. On run backs he can be worth a touchdown plus increasing field position by 15-20yds. Only 5'9" wr but really good. Of course we might need a new special teams coach.​

I like the idea of drafting a guy to be a kick returner if he's a day three pick. A good returner can be worth 20-40 yards of field position in a game. That's way more production than what you get from the typical 5th or 6th WR on the roster.

 

[JoePack]

Well

We won't have a need at WR and if we go a WR I highly suspect it is late Day3...right now we return that entire room Watson, Reed, Wicks, Golden, Melton, Savion Williams without doing anything except a RFA tender on Melton. Doubs is the only loss if nothing is done. IMO would be mismangement of draft resources to target a WR.

Now that said Kaden Wetjen is likely IMO not a guy anyone burns a pick on until Late Day3. He just offers nothing more than ST value as even at a weak school like Iowa has barely done anything outside of returns. Priority UDFA IMO.

, I don't know if you've seen him play but I'm not advocating him as a wr but as a punt/ko returner. They are going to have to score a lot of points next yr to win. I doubt they can increase the effectiveness of the defense with all of the injuries in 1 yr. The ST would be 1 area with the possibility of 1 player having huge dividends.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

With the loss of Kraft, Wyatt, Watson (again) and now Parsons this will be a difficult offseason without high picks in this upcoming draft. The secondary and OL needs help too.

What was the diagnosis on watson? Collar bone?

 

[tynimiller]

Well

, I don't know if you've seen him play but I'm not advocating him as a wr but as a punt/ko returner. They are going to have to score a lot of points next yr to win. I doubt they can increase the effectiveness of the defense with all of the injuries in 1 yr. The ST would be 1 area with the possibility of 1 player having huge dividends.

Few things, yes losing Parsons is massive however essentially post-Parsons loss this is the same roster really as the 2024 Packers team that was not elite but no slouch defense either.

I knew - or at least hoped - you were only advocating he see the field as a returner, because this is meant of no offense to him but he is not close a WR prospect. I have no problem having some pure ST type guys on a roster, they have value...but they also eat up precious depth positions that lesson a teams ability to handle injuries on the go.

I do watch Iowa a solid amount in my draft scouting process because I have always loved their trenches along both sides from a technically sound perspective and even if I don't hear any buzz around them will almost always deep dive into their DL and OL regardless and while watching film will double check ANY other draft prospect.

I think he has a shot to be drafted in the 7th or so for sure, and could really craft himself into a returner role - but its tough because to eat a spot soley for that you gotta be very special.

 

[Pugger]

How folks can see that impact to the ground and think glass is beyond me. Also it would be so incredibly ignorant to walk from a guy that isn’t expensive to keep and is our deadliest weapon without question…

TE is a big need. Currently, the position is very weak and Kraft will probably be out til mid season. They also need a bone fide TE #2.

I truly believe DB, DL and OL are more pressing needs than TE.

 

[Pugger]

What was the diagnosis on watson? Collar bone?

Haven't heard, yet.

 

[Thirteen Below]

They are going to have to score a lot of points next yr to win. I doubt they can increase the effectiveness of the defense with all of the injuries in 1 yr.

Plus, I think's more likely than not that Hafley will be a head coach somewhere else next year.

 

[tynimiller]

I truly believe DB, DL and OL are more pressing needs than TE.

It's simply too early to know based on multiple factors but all positions mentioned are for sure worthy of a list if you were to build one.

Cornerbacks for sure more so than just general DB is something Gute and Co have learned is a must need. Nixon is NOT the future and while he's a roller coaster of incredible (A games) and terrible (D or worse type games)...I think everyone would rather have a solid but not amazing B level corner out there. Valentine is still progressing and shows much better hope but it's for sure time for us to light a fire of competition there. Not having a first rounder IMO hinders your ability of finding a year 1 starter more at this position than likely any spot other than QB or true three down Edges. Very possible still though, but who knows what Gute does in off season that could change or slide the draft "need" of it.

Defensive Line is for sure less of a need but also it's tough to say what the future holds. Right now we are set to only lose two guys - recently added Jordon Riley and Quinton Bohanna which is not a big loss. All the rest Wyatt, Wooden, Brooks, Brinson and Stackhouse are all still here one more year - BUT Wyatt/Wooden/Brooks are all gone after 2026 so preparing for that and progressing the room will forsure have us possibly looking in FA and also draft depending.

Offensive Line has not become what we'd hoped from Banks being okay finally but not great...Jenkins struggling before his season ending injury....and Morgan showcasing more and more he is a tackle and not a guard. However, we are also seeing Belton and Kinnard show progress and potential into future....but next year let's assume we ain't letting Jenkins contract happen (set to cost over 24M) we are left with having to resign or let walk Rhyan and Rasheed. Returning for sure we have Banks, Tom, Morgan, Belton, Kinnard (RFA so likely back), Monk, Glover and Williams. In truth it isn't a terribly thin group, but I think it is a group you don't rest on it and likely pick a guy in our first three picks and likely try to sign a FA of somewhat decent level (even if that is Rhyan to be a swing or potential center).

TE we already know Kraft is out for a time, Musgrave will be back. Fitzpatrick will be a FA while Whyle will be a RFA and easier to keep for cheap. Unless someone is hiding under a rock they have to realize Musgrave has struggled to fill Kraft shoes because he simply isn't an all around TE and cannot be that. Can he be a TE2? For sure. But worst case if Kraft recovery doesn't go well we are screwed, best case we just have to hold serve till he is back. A fullback/H Back type I think could pay BIG dividends...which is why the TE Delp from Georgia is a guy I love in GB.

 

[gopkrs]

What was the diagnosis on watson? Collar bone?

Haven't seen anything. My guess is a chest bruise. Can be painful.

 

[AKCheese]

No doubt, when the Packers get thrashed, the resultng injury load not only wrecks the current season, it wrecks the next season. The losses against Carolina and Denver were franchise altering *** kickings

They've wiped out two seasons. With that, you could make an argument that the MLF and Gute can't build and coach teams that can compete for a championship. Too fragile and too many holes in the roster.

Some might say that's too negative. The injury epidemic isn't over, however. After Kraft went down, I predicted more key players were going down with season ending injuries. There are three more games this season for more injuries to devastate the franchise.

If the Packers want to believe that all injuries are random then they won't be a serious contender.

Sorry, ligament injuries or guts getting rolled up on ARE totally random… there’s nothing the franchise can do to prevent them. Tell me how you suggest preventing Parson’s or Krafts ACLs …

 

[Thirteen Below]

What was the diagnosis on watson? Collar bone?

Reuters and ESPN are now reporting no serious injury, quite possibly be good to go by Saturday.

 

[Magooch]

For whatever it's worth I saw his dad was also posting that it was seemingly nothing major