Bengals looking for QB - Malik Willis?

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There was a post on the internet that the Bengals might be looking to get Malik Willis from the Packers with Joe Burrows down for about 3 months. All they have left on the shelf is Browning, who has shown some ability in the past but nobody beyond that.

Looking at the fact that the Packers have auditioned a QB, does it mean they would entertain trading Malik? If so, what are they looking to get for him?

In my mind, it would be very risky trading Willis at this time. If Love goes down, there wouldn't be anyone who could step in and keep the team moving forward. It's going to be interesting seeing how this plays out.
 

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There was a post on the internet that the Bengals might be looking to get Malik Willis from the Packers with Joe Burrows down for about 3 months. All they have left on the shelf is Browning, who has shown some ability in the past but nobody beyond that.

Looking at the fact that the Packers have auditioned a QB, does it mean they would entertain trading Malik? If so, what are they looking to get for him?

In my mind, it would be very risky trading Willis at this time. If Love goes down, there wouldn't be anyone who could step in and keep the team moving forward. It's going to be interesting seeing how this plays out.
Clifford may get to play some.
 

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#1 - we wouldn't/shouldn't initiate a trade with Cincinnati until after we play them
#2 - as said above, we need much better than that. We hold the aces in this hand
#3 - what if Love goes down for four games mid-season? Would we want to hang our SB chances on Clifford?

For any trade offer, I would actually want a good QB included in the deal (I'd take Browning) plus a higher draft pick in return
 

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I wouldn't trade Willis, not for 3rd or 2nd round pick and a first round pick we will never get.
 

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Sources saying Cincinnati offered us a 2026-6th.
Ummmm. No way Jose
Which was probably conditional upon our throwing in a case of frozen hot dogs. When Gute replied with an absolute, hard "no" to that, it was likely the end of the serious, substantive negotiations.

I admire that about Gutekunst. He'll work with the other guy as much as he can, but he draws a line in the sand... and if the other team disrespects his position and asks for more than is reasonable, it's game over. 80 frozen hot dogs is just plain insulting. Good for Gute, refusing to simply give him away for nothing.
 
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I doubt that he's going to go to Cincy to be honest. To the Packers he has some real value. Especially if they really see themselves as a Super Bowl contender. You don't throw away your backup plan at QB for a pick next year. As far as the Bengals are concerned, I think they'd rather tank the season and get their picks and move on. I don't think they see this as a year where they've got much of a shot anyway.

This is just a guess though. I have no idea what's churning in their heads down there. Thirteen Below can probably tell us more about it. He at least lives close enough he can smell the rubber burning when the Bengals brain trust is at work.
 

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I doubt that he's going to go to Cincy to be honest. To the Packers he has some real value. Especially if they really see themselves as a Super Bowl contender. You don't throw away your backup plan at QB for a pick next year. As far as the Bengals are concerned, I think they'd rather tank the season and get their picks and move on. I don't think they see this as a year where they've got much of a shot anyway.
I see every word of that exactly the same way.

They do not see themselves as being in a make or break, go big or go home, all or nothing position at this stage, and perhaps more importantly they seem to recognize that they're a lot more than one player away in the short term. They've put themselves in a very unstable situation over the last few years, with a number of really reckless salary cap decisions that seem to have been more impulsive and reactive than strategic. Their roster is very top-heavy in terms of salary cap, and those cap numbers are first and foremost in their minds right now in any personnel decisions.

Over the next few years, roughly 40% of their salary cap is allocated to Burrow, Hendrickson, Higgins, and Stewart - who a lot of people feel was a "project pick" they can not afford in the short and intermediate term. In short, they're arguably in a "reload" stage, in which case you do not want to **** away draft picks for 1 year of a backup quarterback who isn't going to get you any closer to winning the Super Bowl next February than the backup you already have on staff.


This is just a guess though. I have no idea what's churning in their heads down there. Thirteen Below can probably tell us more about it. He at least lives close enough he can smell the rubber burning when the Bengals brain trust is at work.
I think you summed it up rather concisely. Frankly, I'm not sure anyone down here knows what the "brain trust" is "thinking", including and perhaps especially the so-called brain trust. The Bengals' front office seems to work exponentially differently than the Gutekunst staff, and it's really difficult to switch from "Packer logic" to "Bengals way of thinking".

I'm not plugged in down here with anyone really close to the inside, but what I'm hearing from people who are is that they're not as desperate as Packer fans would like to think. They are confident going forward with Browning (confident anyway that he can do what they need a backup to do during these next few months) and do not see Willis as a significantly better option than Browning - at least, not significantly enough to pay an exorbitant price in terms of draft capital.

Word down here is that they were not looking for a replacement for Burrow, just someone who can keep them competitive and within range of a playoff run when Burrow comes back. Why **** away a Day Two and a Day Three pick when you alresdy have exactly that guy on the payroll?

Now... I don't know this, but what I've gathered from radio shows, anonymous sources who have proven credible, podcasts, etc, is that the inquiry into Willis was nothing more than testing the waters just in case - just trying to get a feel for whether he was "gettable"; simply due diligence.

It's been reported by several sources (and I can't attest to their credibility at all), that when Duke Tobin made the tentative preliminary offer over the telephone, Gutekunst literally laughed out loud. And my further understanding is that there were no more phone calls about Willis; the Bengals just read the rooom and scrolled down to the next quarterback who was stockpiled on Green Bay's roster and grabbed Clifford.

It may be that we cheeseheads have an unrealistic assessment of Malik's value on the trade market. I wouldn't be shocked if someone else might go a 2nd rounder, but I don't think it will be the Bengals.
 
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It's not that. It's what he is worth to us.
Actually, it's the combination of both. The worth to us is one value, to someone else, something completely different. We see him as a solid caretaker to take control of a game if Love is hurt, and to other teams they more than likely see him as just a fill-in until their guy gets healthy because they're actually looking for someone to build around in the future.

It's that old philosophy that one man's junk is another man's treasure. I keep comparing it to The Antiques Roadshow. People come in with something they bought for $50 at a secondhand store and find out it's worth $10,000 or more. Others come in with something they paid $5,000 for, their chests puffed out thinking they have a fortune in their hands, and end up being told they bought a fake, but a good one, and on a good day they can get $500 for it from someone who wants to use it to hang umbrellas on. The difference between a 6th or 7th round pick and a day one pick. You don't know until it's put under the microscope by playing.
 

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I see every word of that exactly the same way.

They do not see themselves as being in a make or break, go big or go home, all or nothing position at this stage, and perhaps more importantly they seem to recognize that they're a lot more than one player away in the short term. They've put themselves in a very unstable situation over the last few years, with a number of really reckless salary cap decisions that seem to have been more impulsive and reactive than strategic. Their roster is very top-heavy in terms of salary cap, and those cap numbers are first and foremost in their minds right now in any personnel decisions.

Over the next few years, roughly 40% of their salary cap is allocated to Burrow, Hendrickson, Higgins, and Stewart - who a lot of people feel was a "project pick" they can not afford in the short and intermediate term. In short, they're arguably in a "reload" stage, in which case you do not want to **** away draft picks for 1 year of a backup quarterback who isn't going to get you any closer to winning the Super Bowl next February than the backup you already have on staff.



I think you summed it up rather concisely. Frankly, I'm not sure anyone down here knows what the "brain trust" is "thinking", including and perhaps especially the so-called brain trust. The Bengals' front office seems to work exponentially differently than the Gutekunst staff, and it's really difficult to switch from "Packer logic" to "Bengals way of thinking".

I'm not plugged in down here with anyone really close to the inside, but what I'm hearing from people who are is that they're not as desperate as Packer fans would like to think. They are confident going forward with Browning (confident anyway that he can do what they need a backup to do during these next few months) and do not see Willis as a significantly better option than Browning - at least, not significantly enough to pay an exorbitant price in terms of draft capital.

Word down here is that they were not looking for a replacement for Burrow, just someone who can keep them competitive and within range of a playoff run when Burrow comes back. Why **** away a Day Two and a Day Three pick when you alresdy have exactly that guy on the payroll?

Now... I don't know this, but what I've gathered from radio shows, anonymous sources who have proven credible, podcasts, etc, is that the inquiry into Willis was nothing more than testing the waters just in case - just trying to get a feel for whether he was "gettable"; simply due diligence.

It's been reported by several sources (and I can't attest to their credibility at all), that when Duke Tobin made the tentative preliminary offer over the telephone, Gutekunst literally laughed out loud. And my further understanding is that there were no more phone calls about Willis; the Bengals just read the rooom and scrolled down to the next quarterback who was stockpiled on Green Bay's roster and grabbed Clifford.

It may be that we cheeseheads have an unrealistic assessment of Malik's value on the trade market. I wouldn't be shocked if someone else might go a 2nd rounder, but I don't think it will be the Bengals.
Losing Mixon to the Texans really hurt them last year. You are correct about the difference in GM philosophies.
 

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