Bears Studs n Duds

[milani]

Source?

We know this.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Please identify how Love wasn’t a stud on the last drive?

1:38 and a timeout and didn't deliver when needed to most? Maybe that? Didn't say he was a dud that drive, just not a stud.

He dimed a deep ball left side to Reed and he dropped it.

"Dimed?" Now I'm not up on millenial sports parlance but doesn't that mean absolutely perfect and in stride? I can't find a replay of that, but IIRC it could have been placed a bit better.

Doubs dropped an in cut short route.

Not sure how that equates to Love being a stud, but okay.

Watson tough but let the ball off his hands on the deep one sliced into him between three defenders which was an incredible throw.

And this is exactly one reason he wasn't "stud" on that drive. That was NOT a good throw by Love. He threw to Watson when he was covered well enough that the defender literally got a hand between the ball and Watson's right hand. Yet you want to blame Watson?

Love had us multiple times eating CHUNKS and his guys dropped it.

And on the final play, he bobbled the snap, immediately had to scramble, had 5 guys blocking 3 guys and still could have bought more time but instead threw a lame duck of a pass directly to nobody. He could have at least thrown it with some loft like a proper hail mary and let guys jockey position for it. So no, I didn't say he was a dud because he got us down to the 30, but he definitely didn't close out like a stud.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Certainly were a large of it. Offense and defense are affected by the opponent. 95 % of the time placekicking is not. Santos did not miss in the same conditions. And his team prevailed.

And 95% of the reason we lost was because we were outscored 25-7 in the 4th damn quarter.

 

[BrokenArrow]

But make no mistake. Any two of the kicks made and it changes the game. McManus was a liability, and cost us the game.

Being outscored 25-7 in the 4th quarter cost us the game. Yet you think allowing points at a rate of 100 points per game is okay as long as the kicker misses a couple so you can pin the blame on him. Ask ANY player in the Packers locker room or front office whose fault it was and i guarantee you not a single one will blame McManus. That was a TEAM effort, and that goes 100% directly at MLF's feet.

 

[scooter_1954]

Being outscored 25-7 in the 4th quarter cost us the game. Yet you think allowing points at a rate of 100 points per game is okay as long as the kicker misses a couple so you can pin the blame on him. Ask ANY player in the Packers locker room or front office whose fault it was and i guarantee you not a single one will blame McManus. That was a TEAM effort, and that goes 100% directly at MLF's feet.

If we'd scored those 7 points, even 4 of those 7, we'd have won the game. Because we were in position to kick a FG at the end, but HAD to have a TD. Those 7 points, made the 24 allowed in the 4th string relevant. Had we scored them, the story line would be, "Bears rally falls just short!" In what world are 3 missed kicks and 7 lost points, not critical? And I made clear previously, McManus had help. And no, they're not going to publicly blame McManus, but......

 

[BrokenArrow]

If we'd scored those 7 points, even 4 of those 7, we'd have won the game.

If we had stopped just ONE out of three touchdowns in the last 10 minutes we would have won too.

Because we were in position to kick a FG at the end, but HAD to have a TD. Those 7 points, made the 24 allowed in the 4th string relevant. Had we scored them, the story line would be, "Bears rally falls just short!" In what world are 3 missed kicks and 7 lost points, not critical? And I made clear previously, McManus had help. And no, they're not going to publicly blame McManus, but......

Anyone who ever played football at all wouldn't blame the kicker a loss like that. That's called making excuses. The missed kicks were a factor, but not by any stretch were they the primary reason.

 

[Packers4ever]

If Packers front office does not feel MLF going 0-4 then losing after leading 21-3 at half time , these 2 last games against the Bears were humiliating and horrible , if they dont think this whole season going south is MLF fault, after all the buck stops with him, and bring him back with a new contract , then they deserve what they get, when next year they may not even make the playoffs with a coach that got millions without deserving it and showing he earned it
What ever contract amount MLF is asking for , he has not shown he earned it and should go somewhere else to get it , Packers has a talented team but you need the right leader to succeed and MLF is not it , he keeps showing failure over failure in the last 4 seasons . just because he has won a lot of games ,no SB , not the last 3 seasons , it shows he has hit as high as he will get and Packers fan, like me, should not expect any improvements next season if he gets an extension, then we will be with a huge contract like we have with Jordan Love and there is nothing we can do with him . hopefully they will not make a huge mistake by extending this guy

 

[scooter_1954]

If we had stopped just ONE out of three touchdowns in the last 10 minutes we would have won too.



Anyone who ever played football at all wouldn't blame the kicker a loss like that. That's called making excuses. The missed kicks were a factor, but not by any stretch were they the primary reason.

That's what's called an opinion. And a questionable one. If we'd made those kicks, stopping one of those TDs wouldn't have mattered. But we didn't, so it did matter. Listen closely. Our offense set us up for 7 points, that our kicker failed to produce. That's not an excuse, That's reality. It's not complicated. I don't hate the guy, but truth is truth.

Here's another question, when's the last time you saw a team so poorly coached, they took a delay of game penalty coming out of a timeout. McManus had help, but 7 points was critical. When's the last time you saw an NFL kicker miss 2 FGs and A PAT, in one game!

 

[BrokenArrow]

That's what's called an opinion. And a questionable one. If we'd made those kicks, stopping one of those TDs wouldn't have mattered. But we didn't, so it did matter. Listen closely. Our offense set us up for 7 points, that our kicker failed to produce. That's not an excuse, That's reality. It's not complicated. I don't hate the guy, but truth is truth.

Got it. So start the 2nd half with three straight punts, allow 25 4th quarter points to the other team, blow a 21-3 lead and blame the kicker.

Here's another question, when's the last time you saw a team so poorly coached, they took a delay of game penalty coming out of a timeout. McManus had help, but 7 points was critical. When's the last time you saw an NFL kicker miss 2 FGs and A PAT, in one game!

I saw two kickers do it in the same game when we played the Bengals 3 years ago, except worse.

 

[scooter_1954]

Got it. So start the 2nd half with three straight punts, allow 25 4th quarter points to the other team, blow a 21-3 lead and blame the kicker.


I saw two kickers do it in the same game when we played the Bengals 3 years ago, except worse.

Had we made the 3 points at the end of the 1st half, it would have been 24-3 to start the 2nd half, then add the 2 missed kicks in the second half, that's seven points total. Who would I fault for missed kicks if not the kicker? When our offense scores are TD and we miss the PAT, when move into pretty easy FG range and whiff on the kick, who do we hold responsible?

I CLEARLY stated, he had help, but it's silly to argue that 7 points in missed kicks wasn't devastating. You make my point clearly, you had to go back THREE YEARS, to find another performance so poor. Thanks!

If you want to excuse his poor performance, which cost us the game, you're free to do so. But even he said, his performance was so poor it was embarrassing!

Oh, and once you brought it up, I remember that game against the Bengals. That was pretty shoddy play! We've moved on from kickers for lesser inadequacies, I'm not sure why you're upset with me for pointing it out.

You keep saying IF, IF, IF...."IF" we had scored more TDs, "IF" we had stopped their offense. I'm saying, "IF" he had made even 2 of the 3, we'd be cheering today. You don't seem to grasp that reality.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Had we made the 3 points at the end of the 1st half, it would have been 24-3 to start the 2nd half, then add the 2 missed kicks in the second half, that's seven points total. Who would I fault for missed kicks if not the kicker? When our offense scores are TD and we miss the PAT, when move into pretty easy FG range and whiff on the kick, who do we hold responsible?

I CLEARLY stated, he had help, but it's silly to argue that 7 points in missed kicks wasn't devastating. You make my point clearly, you had to go back THREE YEARS, to find another performance so poor. Thanks!

If you want to excuse his poor performance, which cost us the game, you're free to do so. But even he said, his performance was so poor it was embarrassing!

Oh, and once you brought it up, I remember that game against the Bengals. That was pretty shoddy play! We've moved on from kickers for lesser inadequacies, I'm not sure why you're upset with me for pointing it out.

You keep saying IF, IF, IF...."IF" we had scored more TDs, "IF" we had stopped their offense. I'm saying, "IF" he had made even 2 of the 3, we'd be cheering today. You don't seem to grasp that reality.

I'm pretty much done wasting my time on this. You say his poor performance cost us the game and that he had "help" as if he was the primary cause. About 20 other guys and half a dozen coaches also had poor performances. Those collective poor performances FAR outweigh the performance of any one player. But go ahead and scapegoat whoever you want. Have the last word.

 

[Pugger]

1:38 and a timeout and didn't deliver when needed to most? Maybe that? Didn't say he was a dud that drive, just not a stud.



"Dimed?" Now I'm not up on millenial sports parlance but doesn't that mean absolutely perfect and in stride? I can't find a replay of that, but IIRC it could have been placed a bit better.



Not sure how that equates to Love being a stud, but okay.



And this is exactly one reason he wasn't "stud" on that drive. That was NOT a good throw by Love. He threw to Watson when he was covered well enough that the defender literally got a hand between the ball and Watson's right hand. Yet you want to blame Watson?


And on the final play, he bobbled the snap, immediately had to scramble, had 5 guys blocking 3 guys and still could have bought more time but instead threw a lame duck of a pass directly to nobody. He could have at least thrown it with some loft like a proper hail mary and let guys jockey position for it. So no, I didn't say he was a dud because he got us down to the 30, but he definitely didn't close out like a stud.

On that finale snap we had a backup at center. Has anyone seen a replay of that exchange?

 

[scooter_1954]

I'm pretty much done wasting my time on this. You say his poor performance cost us the game and that he had "help" as if he was the primary cause. About 20 other guys and half a dozen coaches also had poor performances. Those collective poor performances FAR outweigh the performance of any one player. But go ahead and scapegoat whoever you want. Have the last word.

Well, it sure seems you're trying to have the last word! I'm not scapegoating anyone, I'M STATING FACTS! Again, for all their other issues, the other 20 guys and the coaches, put him in a position to make 3 kicks, 2 of which were pretty routine by today's standards, and would have changed the game's outcome. And he failed to do so! Good grief, what is so hard for you to comprehend here? If you wanted to defend his honor, or whatever you're doing, please feel free! I'll be shocked if he's not released, but who knows!

 

[scooter_1954]

On that finale snap we had a backup at center. Has anyone seen a replay of that exchange?

My other friend, another Packer fan, pointed that out, and that the snap was not as smooth as it could have been. But Love ran around back there for what seemed an eternity, with little to no pressure only to throw it low to nobody in particular.

 

[tynimiller]

1:38 and a timeout and didn't deliver when needed to most? Maybe that? Didn't say he was a dud that drive, just not a stud.



"Dimed?" Now I'm not up on millenial sports parlance but doesn't that mean absolutely perfect and in stride? I can't find a replay of that, but IIRC it could have been placed a bit better.



Not sure how that equates to Love being a stud, but okay.



And this is exactly one reason he wasn't "stud" on that drive. That was NOT a good throw by Love. He threw to Watson when he was covered well enough that the defender literally got a hand between the ball and Watson's right hand. Yet you want to blame Watson?


And on the final play, he bobbled the snap, immediately had to scramble, had 5 guys blocking 3 guys and still could have bought more time but instead threw a lame duck of a pass directly to nobody. He could have at least thrown it with some loft like a proper hail mary and let guys jockey position for it. So no, I didn't say he was a dud because he got us down to the 30, but he definitely didn't close out like a stud.

lol whatever man. And the Watson ball isn’t even the one your speaking to.

 

[milani]

On that finale snap we had a backup at center. Has anyone seen a replay of that exchange?

The bad luck got worse Not only did the center get hurt at the absolute worst time. But we had a 10 second run off because of it. The gods were not on our side. Last year in that Eagle playoff loss we had a devastating injury to one of our linemen right near the end as well.

 

[SeahawkFan80]

Kind of wierd, that people think it is a quarterback or a kicker sport. I thought it was a team sport and all the team has to be on the same page. Maybe this is beyond me. Some day you may be able to teach me about TEAM SPORTS. Until then, I am going to go fishing.

 

[adambr2]

The bad luck got worse Not only did the center get hurt at the absolute worst time. But we had a 10 second run off because of it. The gods were not on our side. Last year in that Eagle playoff loss we had a devastating injury to one of our linemen right near the end as well.

I personally thought the Gods tried their damndest to get us through last night and we just weren’t having it. We had 3, maybe even 4 fumbles that went our way?

The 10 second runoff was self inflicted. Price we pay for burning timeouts in situations like messed up substitutions on defense with 2 minutes left in the game.

 

[milani]

I'm pretty much done wasting my time on this. You say his poor performance cost us the game and that he had "help" as if he was the primary cause. About 20 other guys and half a dozen coaches also had poor performances. Those collective poor performances FAR outweigh the performance of any one player. But go ahead and scapegoat whoever you want. Have the last word.

Now had Santos missed 7 points in kicks or even 4 the Bears very well lose. If he misses 1 the Packers may tie.
Jaguars kicker missed one Sunday that cost them big time. The kicker of both the Eagles and Niners missed a PAT due to the cross wind.
What is different about place kickers is that their job is cut and dry. Unlike other positions they are hardly impacted by the performance of the opponent. They control their own destiny except in rare circumstances of protection breakdown, weather, or a bad snap. If they make their kicks they can be the hero for just being on the field for a few plays. At the same time they can be the goat. That is just how it is.
In SB V kicker Jim O'Brien kicked the winning FG for the Colts in a defensive battle with the Cowboys. He is not in the HOF. The kick was not hard. BUT..History will always regard him as the hero of SB V.

 

[BrokenArrow]

lol whatever man. And the Watson ball isn’t even the one your speaking to.

So you're saying Love did everything you could have hoped for on that last drive? The last play was a disaster no matter how you spin it. You seem to think he can do no wrong for some reason.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Now had Santos missed 7 points in kicks or even 4 the Bears very well lose. If he misses 1 the Packers may tie.
Jaguars kicker missed one Sunday that cost them big time. The kicker of both the Eagles and Niners missed a PAT due to the cross wind.
What is different about place kickers is that their job is cut and dry.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't understand the complexity of a successful kick, especially on a cold, windy, gusty day. It takes near perfect execution by three people to make a kick. So while a kicker may not be as directly impacted by the defense, they are absolutely impacted by the elements, the snapper and the holder.

 

[milani]

It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't understand the complexity of a successful kick, especially on a cold, windy, gusty day. It takes near perfect execution by three people to make a kick. So while a kicker may not be as directly impacted by the defense, they are absolutely impacted by the elements, the snapper and the holder.

It certainly is. But it is the foot that kicks the ball which has the most impact. That is why Lou Groza's nickname was the Toe. ST practices the snap and hold a zillion times a year. It is the easiest part of the process because the defense cannot react until it actually happens.
As far as weather goes, back in the 1962 Championship Game, Jerry Kramer kicked 3 FGs out of 5 in about 20 degree temps with crosswinds anywhere from 30 to 50 mph with gusts. And Yankee Stadium back then was much more open air in the outfield which brought the gale currents much lower than kickers see today. Place kicking is not that much different from shooting free throws in the modern era.

 

[milani]

So you're saying Love did everything you could have hoped for on that last drive? The last play was a disaster no matter how you spin it. You seem to think he can do no wrong for some reason.

Too much went wrong on that last drive precipitated by not having a needed timeout or 2 which we used earlier in the half. The injury to the center, then a 10 second runoff made it worse. If all we needed was a FG attempt we had a decent chance. To get in the end zone would have required some Rodgers miracle. The Bears had the prevent but rushed hard with the 4. The game was lost before that.

 

[tynimiller]

So you're saying Love did everything you could have hoped for on that last drive? The last play was a disaster no matter how you spin it. You seem to think he can do no wrong for some reason.

LOL no but I understand football and the simple fact that the QB alone cannot control what the WRs do, or secondary on the other team or anyone else. He routinely put the ball where it needed to be and even the deep middle ball to Watson which likely ends up a score or within the 2 yard line was elite level ball spinning. The snap was **** on the last play, he didn't freak, and he kept the play alive as long as he could...in what world do you live in that think Love could have done any different that final play, unless you expect him to be like a Jedi and move defenders with the force...

The final drive - only had a minute and thirty six seconds left.

First Play - 1st and 10 from 28
Check down to Jacobs as pressure comes QUICK and we get three yards.
Second Play - 2nd and 7 from the 31
Seam throw down middle to Reed, put it money but defender made excellent play on tight window.
Third Play - 3rd and 7 from the 31
Quick in break to Doubs - off his hands.
Fourth Play - 4th and 7 from the 31
Hard out across field to wide side to Golden to the 44
Fifth Play - 1st and 10 from the 44
5 yard out to Whyle picks up two yards more and out of bounds
Sixth Play - 2nd and 3 from the 51
Deep out to Reed, right through his hands just outside the redzone at the 28 and likely a few more yards would have been had.
Seventh Play - 3rd and 3 from the 51
Right slant in to Doubs for first down.
Eighth Play - 1st and 10 from the 43
Crosser middle to Reed clear down to the 24 yard line
Ninth Play 1st and 10 from the 24
*This was the throw to Watson. Love has a guy in his grill and still gets this throw off, throws it where Waton is going to be - Watson gets one hand on the ball and I think from watching All22 he did not think the ball was getting through, that slight hesitation may have cost him getting both on it. Love had some incredible balls in the game but this vision, with man in his grill was another level - I don't care if this is Caleb Williams, Byron Leftwich...high level play.
Tenth Play (after the delay of game BS) - 2nd and 15 from the 29
Tackled from behind at the throw.
Eleventh and final Play - 3rd and 15 from the 29
Snap was ****, no one was moving in the endzone for Love...they had 8 in the Endzone vs our 5.


The crucial thing about the drops is it stole immense yards from us when otherwise our QB was putting the ball in spots to win. The Reed drop was the backbreaker - we'd have had the ball around the 25 or closer with around 48 seconds remaining (an eternity).

 

[Fooksmania]

Duds: An offense that went 3 and out 3 x beginning the 2nd half that could not put the ball in the end zone at end of 1st half and then ST missed field goal. McManus, DB's (again), OL in 2nd half that could not run, pass block and Love who made bad passes (multiple times in 2nd half), failed to get the ball hiked in time AFTER a timeout, a fumbled snap on last play of game. You cannot leave your D out on the field against any good team 3x times in a row and then expect them to have gas at the end of the game. Is J Harbaugh available along with a new GM????? and maybe give Willis a shot at QB1 next year.