Studs n duds Cowboys

[tynimiller]

Agreed it was one of Love's best game, but he was not unflappable. He was too careless, again, with the ball in a crowd and took too long to get the ball out, resulting in a strip fumble and recovery.

He just keeps making this same mistake, as if he doesn't know where he is or who is around him. And it's costly. This has been happening since he's been a starter.

Of course he would have been spared this of MLF hadn't called a TO.

One bad play doesn't win or lose a game, it's all of them. That lateral to Jacobs was well executed. Love drew the defenders toward him and then passed back to Jacobs, open on the sideline.

Absolutely disagree. He did his job and then some on easily 95% of snaps if not 99%. Don't disagree with you a lot but he was awesome.

 

[tynimiller]

MLF referenced him trying to be aggressive at end of first half bit them bad in his post-game....you have to wonder if the two runs late in the game were him afraid his aggressive playcalling would cost them again.

 

[AmishMafia]

Duds

What does the WE in Wefense stand for? Weak Execution.

Love 2-minute game management. That final pass with 6 seconds was stupid. I yelled NO! When the ball was snapped and he didn't spike it. Very lucky game didn't end there.

Studs
Love. If we can fix the OLine with our injured players coming back he will be elite.

Most have already been mentioned but want to add Wyatt. When he left the game the run defense wasn't as good.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Absolutely disagree. He did his job and then some on easily 95% of snaps if not 99%. Don't disagree with you a lot but he was awesome.

I agree that he played well on probably 99% of the snaps. I loved that creative lateral to Jacobs that got them to the Dallas line.

But I'm having a hard time reconciling playing well and ending up in a tie, or losing. Love still has a nasty tendency to forget where he is in the game, and who is around him.

I'd just like to see him clean up this part of his game. It happens to all QBs, just happens a bit too much with Love.

Putting that aside - The defense, the entire defense, failed to show up. You could see the Cowboys either double-teaming or running plays away from Parsons - but where were Gary, LVN, Cooper? I never expected to see that from this defense against an average team.

I loved the big time Parson's sack in OT, but that was about it.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Duds

What does the WE in Wefense stand for? Weak Execution.

Love 2-minute game management. That final pass with 6 seconds was stupid. I yelled NO! When the ball was snapped and he didn't spike it. Very lucky game didn't end there.

Studs
Love. If we can fix the OLine with our injured players coming back he will be elite.

Most have already been mentioned but want to add Wyatt. When he left the game the run defense wasn't as good.

I think you put the Love situation in proper context - Love was a stud and a dud, mostly a stud.

The bye is well timed. Banks, Belton, and Tom need to get healthy. And the entire OL has to stop the penalties.

 

[JoePack]

Duds: MLF is not a 2nd half coach and got out-coached again. To many mistakes.
Love, doesn't show the desire to kick ***. He's an average qb and just another nice guy.
Didn't even try to get a TD toward the end.
1st 2 games a major change and now just same Ole stuff.
Criticize me all you want, MLF is probably a nice guy but not SB material and at times the play reflects it.
ST coaching is embarrassing.
Rest of year not looking good.


Studs: Doubs.

 

[tynimiller]

I agree that he played well on probably 99% of the snaps. I loved that creative lateral to Jacobs that got them to the Dallas line.

But I'm having a hard time reconciling playing well and ending up in a tie, or losing. Love still has a nasty tendency to forget where he is in the game, and who is around him.

I'd just like to see him clean up this part of his game. It happens to all QBs, just happens a bit too much with Love.

Putting that aside - The defense, the entire defense, failed to show up. You could see the Cowboys either double-teaming or running plays away from Parsons - but where were Gary, LVN, Cooper? I never expected to see that from this defense against an average team.

I loved the big time Parson's sack in OT, but that was about it.

You'd like perfection every snap...got it.

Sorry I'm not usually this bitey but Love was near perfection last night...putting any of that loss on him in any capacity, even 1%, is just something I can not even fathom.

 

[tynimiller]

Duds

What does the WE in Wefense stand for? Weak Execution.

Love 2-minute game management. That final pass with 6 seconds was stupid. I yelled NO! When the ball was snapped and he didn't spike it. Very lucky game didn't end there.

I was screaming at half the team that was NOT rushing to position...Love was ready well before most everyone else. It was clear half the team assumed we were not going to run a play. I'm shocked Love didn't lose his ever loving mind on his team....

 

[tynimiller]

Duds:
Love, doesn't show the desire to kick ***. He's an average qb and just another nice guy.

You didn't watch the game or don't know football. Get that illogical take out of here. Love was incredible.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Duds- Defense: The Cowboys gameplan was simple. Double team Parsons and make the rest of the defense beat you. Their performance was dismal. The rest of the league will take notice
Gary and Hobbs- I keep picking on Gary because his play doesn't come close to matching his salary. Not a good time to disappear.
Special Teams- Time to move on from Bisaccia. Somebody else can't be much worse.
MLF- I like him as an O coordinator but as a head coach, after 6 1/4 seasons, his teams lack discipline and focus. I don't advocate firing him mid-season but he's shown he can't get this team over the hump.

Studs
Love- While not perfect, his outstanding play kept this game from being another embarrassment.
Wilson- He keeps showing that he deserves more touches.
Doubs- Not a star, but steady and reliable.

 

[chemist]

Lots to pick

Who?

You can point your finger at anyone you want but IMO everything starts at the top.
MLF did it again. His game management decisions are attrocious and border on stupidity.
In dallas your up 13-2 with little time left at the end of the half. Why the hell would your rush your offense to get more plays in from your own 25 . How far do you think you are goibg to get with just a few seconds left. You are away so the prudent thing to do is let the clock run out and head to the locker room with the lead.
He made the same stupid decision vs the browns sending in plays to love with less than 3 minutes on the clock with GB near their own endzone holding a 10-3 lead
GB defense was stifling browns all day. Run safe plays in your end and if you dont get anywhere ,punt the ball away and let your defense do what it has been doing all day., bot not MLF, he has to constabtly force things. Im so over this guy . He doesnt know how manage a,game properly he doesnt know how to lead a team .
He is the one holding the packers back. GB has plenty of talent but we have an idiot for a HC...

 

[BrokenArrow]

A little? It’s (sort of) better than a loss.

I don’t think a nonexistent pass rush for 95% of the game and giving up 40 to a Cowboy team with a banged up O line and no Ceedee Lamb is quite what we had in mind when we forked over two 1sts, Kenny Clark, and $186 million.

Clark didn't do **** against our banged up OL either. It's called familiarity. As far as Lamb goes, a couple of his routine drops would have been nice, actually.

 

[tynimiller]

Those ******* Jordan Love....I want to know a few things...

How many third downs did Jordan Love convert out of our 14 faced? 10 of them.
Of the four we did not:
Q1 with 5:14 left - Jordan Love completed a pass to Savion within the playcall and Savion came two yards short got 16 yards of the 18 needed...NOT Love's fault.
Q2 with 6:05 left - Jordan deep left side incomplete for Wicks. I don't remember the pass and can review All22...let's say bad throw just to play to the argument he sucked.
OT with 3:57 left - Jordan Love incomplete DEEP to Wicks on left side (I thought DPI) but wasn't.....what does Love do converts the 4th down to follow with a BULLET to Golden.
OT with :06 left - Love trying to get his team's ***** to the line to run a play....I agree likely should have seen time and threw it away immediately or spiked it BUT that man was being aggressive and wanted another play, which they had TONS of time from the run to get a snap and an actual look.

Some of the plays on third down he did convert include the escape and 20+ run, the 15 yard strike for TD to Doubs....the Tucker pass for 12 and 16.

He went 31 for 43 (72%) and that was with a few having to throw aways due to pressure immediately in his lap/face. Didn't turn the ball over...rushed for 28 yards, tossed 3 TDs...

The only thing he did wrong was that fumble. Which having watched that play the edges were collapsing and the routes were deep reads, he stepped up into the gap like I am betting ANY QB would, Houston just got his hand on that ball. MLF schemed up a great aggressive play, protection just couldn't get it done...and the crazy thing is Houston was pushed deep and had to fully extend and BARELY got it.

You must be logged in to see this image or video!

I just cannot fathom the criticism Love is getting. If you told me to hand out proper criticism where this loss lies on I would say:

40% Defense - they SUCKED.
25% MLF - Head coach starts at 20% for me in losses...he got a little conservative with the two rushes late IMO.
30% Rich - another blocked kick....coverage unit TORE UP...and return team sucked.

5% spread across all of the defensive players specifically.

 

[Magooch]

MLF referenced him trying to be aggressive at end of first half bit them bad in his post-game....you have to wonder if the two runs late in the game were him afraid his aggressive playcalling would cost them again.

Bingo and that’s my beef with how it all went down. I just often feel like LaFleur still doesn’t have a good sense for situational game management and when to be aggressive vs conservative.

Ultimately though… towards the end it felt like Love believed he could take his team down the field and get the win… but at the same time it seemed like Matt didn’t share that same belief, at least not to the same degree…

 

[Magooch]

MLF- I like him as an O coordinator but as a head coach, after 6 1/4 seasons, his teams lack discipline and focus. I don't advocate firing him mid-season but he's shown he can't get this team over the hump.

This is pretty much where I fall. Overall I like him and big-picture I think LaFleur is certainly an upper-half coach that many teams would be happy to have over their current guys.
But we’re 6+ seasons in and the same issues keep coming up year after year after year. I am running out of faith to believe that LaFleur is ever going to be able to fix these things at this point.

I mean, open question I guess: can someone tell me exactly WHY I should continue to believe LaFleur is going to be able to fix the things he’s spent 6+ years being unable to fix?

 

[El Guapo]

Pickens and Prescott did a great job of finding seems when we ran zone. When Valentine was on him in man coverage, Pickens just spun away for big gains.

Guys just weren’t making plays on defense.

Offensively, we had no urgency. We could have been in a hurry up offense when driving in OT, or at least managed the clock better.

 

[tynimiller]

Bingo and that’s my beef with how it all went down. I just often feel like LaFleur still doesn’t have a good sense for situational game management and when to be aggressive vs conservative.

Ultimately though… towards the end it felt like Love believed he could take his team down the field and get the win… but at the same time it seemed like Matt didn’t share that same belief, at least not to the same degree…

I think Matt called an amazing and took what they could until about the final four or so plays before Love tried to cram a play in at the end which was clearly him deciding that and not Matt.

MLF is incredible play caller that struggles to not pucker at times....

 

[Magooch]

I think Matt called an amazing and took what they could until about the final four or so plays before Love tried to cram a play in at the end which was clearly him deciding that and not Matt.

MLF is incredible play caller that struggles to not pucker at times....

The “took what they could” I guess is kind of what I take issue with because it feels like practically speaking it often ends up basically meaning “we took what they gave us” or whatnot. Obviously it’s easier said than done but I would like to see us being the more proactive team in these scenarios…

Just feel like there’s been many “two minute drill” type situations (not always 2 min but you know what I mean lol) in recent years where we can’t decide how we want to approach it. Like we’ll play it safe and not “push” too much, not any urgency. But then we might find one or two chunk plays and suddenly find ourselves thinking maybe we can steal some points. Except we’ve already been taking our time and not concerned with clock, so now suddenly we’re on a huge time crunch to try and get some points or whatnot. It just ends up feeling very incongruent and indecisive I guess

 

[Poppa San]

How far do you think you are goibg to get with just a few seconds left.

Done quite often to go 45 yards to try a FG with 20 seconds left in the half.

Studs were mentioned but I'll add a few. Tough running by Wilson late. Doubs looked good early but seemed to disappear. Mcmanus doing his thing.

Duds: The defense seems to have disappeared since the INT in the Browns game. Has Hafkey's game plans been figured out now that there is more game film or is it that they only look good in Lambeau with the crowd assistance?
OL isn't good enough to overcome all the stupid penalties. A good hold to save the QB is one thing but hands to the face or movement is a brain f@rt. Would Jenkins be better back at LG with Rhyan snapping and Morgan at RG? Really need Banks and Tom back. When the schedule was released an early bye week was criticized but now it might be beneficial to getting the OL healthy and to add some of the IR people back into the mix.
WTF happened to our special teams? It's been a problem forever it seems and RB was the best coach for it or so we were told. Our kickers can kick long and straight but they seem to be the only ones doing their job.
JL gets a dud for his onfield leadership. It never appears like he is trying to get his teammates to hustle. Methodical at a quick pace is one thing but running to the line as time is winding down is another. The only urgency seems to be getting the 12 men on the field play.

 

[gopkrs]

That’s very true, I always thought a tie is just another way of saying we didn’t win

It depends on what it means at the end of the season

 

[gopkrs]

Count for sure, it was a BIG play. Rest of the game our entire front was terrible.

Cooper had his worst game as a pro too which hurt.

Where has Cooper gone. Is Haf making him play DB or something?

 

[tynimiller]

Where has Cooper gone. Is Haf making him play DB or something?

Oh if you rewatch the dude was there at times and literally WHIFFED on tackles. I mean WHIFFED

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Love ya but Love was incredible tonight. To say he was a Dud after likely having his best game within the play calls is crazy.

He escaped numerous sacks even and got off balls he had no business to, completing some even and his legs were active tonight. Love was a beast.

I agree and I will piggy back this with a dud...that being his head coach/play caller.

The Packers offensive line sucked most of the night, especially on pass protection. The Cowboys were basically rushing 4 most of the night and were still getting to Love quickly. MLF's response, stay the course and keep Love in the pocket. Why not roll him out? Love has some wheels if he needs them and rolling him out buys him more time. This was the same story against the Browns, a much better front 7. For the life of me I don't understand exposing Love to all those hits and guys falling on his legs.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Oh if you rewatch the dude was there at times and literally WHIFFED on tackles. I mean WHIFFED

Agree, and a number of Packer players showed poor tackling technique. Tackling was a big issue for the Packers defense last night. Way too many yards after contact or in some cases, what should have been contact, but were complete whiffs.

Our defense looked just like it did over the past few seasons. Lets hope with the bye week, we get healthy and that defense returns to how it looked during the first 3 games.

 

[tynimiller]

I agree and I will piggy back this with a dud...that being his head coach/play caller.

The Packers offensive line sucked most of the night, especially on pass protection. The Cowboys were basically rushing 4 most of the night and were still getting to Love quickly. MLF's response, stay the course and keep Love in the pocket. Why not roll him out? Love has some wheels if he needs them and rolling him out buys him more time. This was the same story against the Browns, a much better front 7. For the life of me I don't understand exposing Love to all those hits and guys falling on his legs.

Love is special on the move...I would love to see three-six more purposeful boots or roll outs a game.