Studs n duds Cowboys

[OldSchool101]

This Tie was squarely on Teams and Defense. Love cost us a FG -3pts. Dallas started on the GB27 post fumble (FG) Teams cost us -3 points. (1+2). Defense allowed 31 points in regulation.
Jordan Love put up 27 points in the second Half. THAT alone should be enough to Win most games.

 

[Zad Fnark]

What didn't help was the refs' non-call on Dak's intentional grounding. That could have ended the game right there.

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[tynimiller]

Not perfection, but not a turnover costing us the lead, or even almost almost costing us the game on his last play. I can't overlook that he did not only cost us the lead, but almost cost us the game. Thankfully we didn't lose, but we definitely almost did.

I broke down that play, the routes called needed time and we had them, love moved up in the pocket as I bet ANY QB would have and just barely got hit by a fully extended James Houston hand (who had been actually pushed deep by Walker)...sometimes the paid professionals on the other side make big plays. Love made a **** ton of them, and that one play was not because he sucked.

 

[OldSchool101]

What are you talking about he isn't efficient in critical plays??? Love was insanely efficient in critical plays last night.... pasted the quote from above here as well so not missed:


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Those ******* Jordan Love....I want to know a few things...

How many third downs did Jordan Love convert out of our 14 faced? 10 of them.
Of the four we did not:
Q1 with 5:14 left - Jordan Love completed a pass to Savion within the playcall and Savion came two yards short got 16 yards of the 18 needed...NOT Love's fault.
Q2 with 6:05 left - Jordan deep left side incomplete for Wicks. I don't remember the pass and can review All22...let's say bad throw just to play to the argument he sucked.
OT with 3:57 left - Jordan Love incomplete DEEP to Wicks on left side (I thought DPI) but wasn't.....what does Love do converts the 4th down to follow with a BULLET to Golden.
OT with :06 left - Love trying to get his team's ***** to the line to run a play....I agree likely should have seen time and threw it away immediately or spiked it BUT that man was being aggressive and wanted another play, which they had TONS of time from the run to get a snap and an actual look.

Some of the plays on third down he did convert include the escape and 20+ run, the 15 yard strike for TD to Doubs....the Tucker pass for 12 and 16.

He went 31 for 43 (72%) and that was with a few having to throw aways due to pressure immediately in his lap/face. Didn't turn the ball over...rushed for 28 yards, tossed 3 TDs...

The only thing he did wrong was that fumble. Which having watched that play the edges were collapsing and the routes were deep reads, he stepped up into the gap like I am betting ANY QB would, Houston just got his hand on that ball. MLF schemed up a great aggressive play, protection just couldn't get it done...and the crazy thing is Houston was pushed deep and had to fully extend and BARELY got it.

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I just cannot fathom the criticism Love is getting. If you told me to hand out proper criticism where this loss lies on I would say:

40% Defense - they SUCKED.
25% MLF - Head coach starts at 20% for me in losses...he got a little conservative with the two rushes late IMO.
30% Rich - another blocked kick....coverage unit TORE UP...and return team sucked.

5% spread across all of the defensive players specifically.

Aside from a strip fumble caused by Walker imo. Love had one of his best games.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Yep. That non call was obvious. Decided the Win

2ndf week in a row terrible referee mistakes late in the 4th have cost us a win.

 

[OldSchool101]

I broke down that play, the routes called needed time and we had them, love moved up in the pocket as I bet ANY QB would have and just barely got hit by a fully extended James Houston hand (who had been actually pushed deep by Walker)...sometimes the paid professionals on the other side make big plays. Love made a **** ton of them, and that one play was not because he sucked.

Agreed. Breakdown at LT caused the fumble. This wasn’t a bad throw by Love or poor decision. It was an improper Block

 

[Magooch]

What didn't help was the refs' non-call on Dak's intentional grounding. That could have ended the game right there.

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Can't watch video (at work) so I don't know if it was mentioned in it or not but I was curious about this as well.

Initially it was called that there was a receiver in the vicinity. This was of course painfully obvious to be false, there's no one even close.

Then I believe it was explained away as saying "if he wasn't in control of the ball then there doesn't need to be a receiver nearby" which, maybe I am just not as familiar with the rules verbiage but that's the first time in my life I've heard that explanation. (But in any case, if Prescott was not in control of the ball, would there not be a case then that it's a live ball and a fumble? the forward motion of the hand is almost always interpreted to mean "in control" at least to the degree that it's ruled a forward pass...)

 

[rmontro]

What didn't help was the refs' non-call on Dak's intentional grounding. That could have ended the game right there.

Or they could have scored later, but with less time on the clock, and we would have lost.

 

[Zad Fnark]

Or they could have scored later, but with less time on the clock, and we would have lost.

Well, "butterfly effect" and everything, you'll just never know.

I just need to avoid racking up my blood pressure over this. I'm on enough meds as it is.

 

[tynimiller]

Can't watch video (at work) so I don't know if it was mentioned in it or not but I was curious about this as well.

Initially it was called that there was a receiver in the vicinity. This was of course painfully obvious to be false, there's no one even close.

Then I believe it was explained away as saying "if he wasn't in control of the ball then there doesn't need to be a receiver nearby" which, maybe I am just not as familiar with the rules verbiage but that's the first time in my life I've heard that explanation. (But in any case, if Prescott was not in control of the ball, would there not be a case then that it's a live ball and a fumble? the forward motion of the hand is almost always interpreted to mean "in control" at least to the degree that it's ruled a forward pass...)

Yeah it was ruled "lost control" in the opinion of the official, not reviewable. SUCKED and I bet when he reviews the game that official would want that back.

 

[milani]

I broke down every single third down and fourth down plays last night...LOVE was damn near immaculate. Shoot one of the failed third down and 18 to go was a 16 yarder to Savion that was schemed up brilliantly...and one of the failed third downs, Love then completes a bullet over the middle and deep to Golden for the first down to keep the game alive.

I truly don't understand what more you people demand of Love or any QB to do....beyond being Jesus Christ himself and just quietly walking the ball down the field with defenders prostrating themselves due to his glory....

FTR @Voyageur you know I love you and I know you don't things wrong usually but my tongue in cheek at the end is speaking to the general accusations being hurled at Love not you specifically however in this instance it does fit - please don't take offense.

Love has had some misfires and mishandled drives...but the dude CONTINUALLY overcame ****** OL play a defense that seemed to be playing with 10 guys they were so bad...and according to many a terrible coach making dumb playcalls.

I think what too many think in terms of watching Rodgers too long. They expect Love to " see " the game on the field as ARod did. That may never happen. He just has to get better at processing like all young QBs. A good example may have been that last 30 seconds of OT. MLF would have sent in his last minute plays but he would depend on Rodgers to plot his way through knowing how much time he had and what were his matchups. McCarthy did pretty much the same.

 

[milani]

What didn't help was the refs' non-call on Dak's intentional grounding. That could have ended the game right there.

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Was that on 2nd down when it happened or 3rd? I guess because it appeared to be a slipped throw they cannot determine that the grounding was intentional. So we have unintentional grounding. LOL!

 

[tynimiller]

I think what too many think in terms of watching Rodgers too long. They expect Love to " see " the game on the field as ARod did. That may never happen. He just has to get better at processing like all young QBs. A good example may have been that last 30 seconds of OT. MLF would have sent in his last minute plays but he would depend on Rodgers to plot his way through knowing how much time he had and what were his matchups. McCarthy did pretty much the same.

I gotta try and watch close but I almost think Love waited for a call but not getting one he started hand signaling to guys the play....I wonder if he called one and tried to get guys set up without MLF calling something.....

 

[El Guapo]

LaFleur needs to manage Love better to avoid the time mismanagement and critical end-of-game situations. Love played well, has elite skills, and is average on game management.

 

[milani]

Can't watch video (at work) so I don't know if it was mentioned in it or not but I was curious about this as well.

Initially it was called that there was a receiver in the vicinity. This was of course painfully obvious to be false, there's no one even close.

Then I believe it was explained away as saying "if he wasn't in control of the ball then there doesn't need to be a receiver nearby" which, maybe I am just not as familiar with the rules verbiage but that's the first time in my life I've heard that explanation. (But in any case, if Prescott was not in control of the ball, would there not be a case then that it's a live ball and a fumble? the forward motion of the hand is almost always interpreted to mean "in control" at least to the degree that it's ruled a forward pass...)

That is correct. I think Prescott saw that his receiver turned upfield in his route but was looking for him to stay low and that is when the loss of control happened.

 

[tynimiller]

LaFleur needs to manage Love better to avoid the time mismanagement and critical end-of-game situations. Love played well, has elite skills, and is average on game management.

Can you show this or bring up examples where it looks like MLF has the play call in but Love isn't applying it?

I struggle to ever put time and/or game management on a QB when they are not responsible for making the call save for some in 2 minute and/or quick plays catching the opposition subbing.

 

[milani]

Can you show this or bring up examples where it looks like MLF has the play call in but Love isn't applying it?

I struggle to ever put time and/or game management on a QB when they are not responsible for making the call save for some in 2 minute and/or quick plays catching the opposition subbing.

Love has to be able to call his own plays in that short time span and his unit has to be on the same page. Receivers must know where they are to go. And if there is a play change at the line because of the defense they also need to adjust their routes.

 

[tynimiller]

Love has to be able to call his own plays in that short time span and his unit has to be on the same page. Receivers must know where they are to go. And if there is a play change at the line because of the defense they also need to adjust their routes.

I concur, I want Love to be running the show in 2 minute.....my question is - is it MLF not wanting to release it because Love won't do it how he wishes...or is it because Love cannot handle it?

 

[adambr2]

This is pretty much where I fall. Overall I like him and big-picture I think LaFleur is certainly an upper-half coach that many teams would be happy to have over their current guys.
But we’re 6+ seasons in and the same issues keep coming up year after year after year. I am running out of faith to believe that LaFleur is ever going to be able to fix these things at this point.

I mean, open question I guess: can someone tell me exactly WHY I should continue to believe LaFleur is going to be able to fix the things he’s spent 6+ years being unable to fix?

There’s a lot of people that don’t want hear this — but Matt Lafleur is an average to a little below average NFL head coach.

I don’t personally dislike him. He just doesn’t have the mental makeup for the constant multitasking and on the spot decision making that the modern NFL requires with clock management, in-game adjustments, etc.

It’s not about a learning process. We’re in year 7. It’s just not a part of his skill set.

He’d make a fine OC again, a role where he can focus his planning and efforts on more limited specific details, and I would guess the later years of his career will probably be spent as a regular NFL offensive coordinator.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

This is a coaching failure. The only coordinator not directly responsible for this loss is Stenovich, and yet one of his position coaches has been easily our biggest problem all year. Butkus get this F***ING O-LINE FIXED NOW! Two weeks of this **** is enough. I don't care if you're starting BOB who you recruited from the Texas Roadhouse staff it's your JOB to have this O-Line ready to work and do their job properly EVERY WEEK! If the players are lazy and stupid what does that say about the coach?

Hafley's ball hawk defense hasn't shown up through 28 quarters of Packers football since they broke camp.

Bissachia not making sure Luke Musgrave knew who to block was horrid. The whole team played 10 more minutes of football because of YOU!

I think at this point LaFleur's coaching staff needs to be torn down and rebuilt because as they fix one problem 2 others pop up. And if that's not the problem Gutey needs to be sent out the door for causing the problems with his roster decisions.

While it may sound like I'm standing up for LaFleur I am...but only for THIS week's loss, and that's what it is...a loss. That 3rd column isn't called 'not losing percentage' it's called "WINNING percentage' and we're .500 in that column...no better than the 2-2 teams.

 

[tynimiller]

This is a coaching failure. The only coordinator not directly responsible for this loss is Stenovich, and yet one of his position coaches has been easily our biggest problem all year. Butkus get this F***ING O-LINE FIXED NOW! Two weeks of this **** is enough. I don't care if you're starting BOB who you recruited from the Texas Roadhouse staff it's your JOB to have this O-Line ready to work and do their job properly EVERY WEEK! If the players are lazy and stupid what does that say about the coach?

Hafley's ball hawk defense hasn't shown up through 28 quarters of Packers football since they broke camp.

Bissachia not making sure Luke Musgrave knew who to block was horrid. The whole team played 10 more minutes of football because of YOU!

I think at this point LaFleur's coaching staff needs to be torn down and rebuilt because as they fix one problem 2 others pop up. And if that's not the problem Gutey needs to be sent out the door for causing the problems with his roster decisions.

While it may sound like I'm standing up for LaFleur I am...but only for THIS week's loss, and that's what it is...a loss. That 3rd column isn't called 'not losing percentage' it's called "WINNING percentage' and we're .500 in that column...no better than the 2-2 teams.

I have never experienced a post I've agreed with more one breath and then literally thought you were insane the next.

The only thing I want to exert effort to refute is - Stating that Hafley's defense has played the exact same as they did last night all year IS JUST WRONG. Verifiably, measurable and observably wrong.

 

[adambr2]

The secondary which had been studs all year were major duds last night. It’s crazy how much corner play just comes down to pass rush. If your pass rushers are pressuring, your corners look very good. If not, they look terrible.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Show the comment I made that says I expect perfection on every snap. You won't find it. You're overreacting Ty. C'mon man.

I don't think it's possible to look at Love's play last night and call it "unflappable". And no matter how well he played, anything other than a win is a failure, especially for this team.

So what was the outcome of the game then, in your opinion? A moral victory because Love played mostly well? There are no moral victories in sports.

I'll leave it at that.

I agree there aren't moral victories in professional sports, but the blame for the tie rests squarely on the pathetic special teams, porous defense and questionable coaching decisions. If the rest of the team played as well as Love, they'd be 4 - 0.

 

[milani]

I concur, I want Love to be running the show in 2 minute.....my question is - is it MLF not wanting to release it because Love won't do it how he wishes...or is it because Love cannot handle it?

MLF does not fully believe he can handle it. If MM or MLF tried to wrestle control from Rodgers you would have seen heads butt and we did at times. When you have clout you can call the shots.

 

[OldSchool101]

Or they could have scored later, but with less time on the clock, and we would have lost.

Obviously anything can happen. While imo it’s not a game changing play in itself, it’s also a stretch to say a loss of Down and -10 is going to benefit the Offense.