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Stud- Another all-organization effort. Kudos to all.
Dud-Some sportscasters trying to explain the Chiefs problems with very little credit to the Pack and their excellent play. They can't stand the possibility we may have another top tier qb.
 

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I'll be the first here to elevate Simone Biles to the "stud" level. Obviously she already is in here own right but she also rocked the green & gold quite well and didn't need to sit in a fancy suite. Maybe she stole the mojo from Taylor Swift and now will be our good-luck charm when she attends games.
 

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Question. I thought that Carlson possessed a pretty strong, young leg. However, he doesn't seem to be getting them into the endzone anymore. Obviously there is an adjustment to kicking in the cold, but he's no better than Mason Crosby at this point on kickoffs. He needs to squeeze an extra 5-10 yards out of those kicks. Am I remembering his kickoffs from the first half of the season correctly, that they were better?

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I did some quick research. His career touchback rate in college was 61.4%. According to the Packers.com website, he is at 50.9% through the Chiefs game (he actually had 3 TBs last night [3of6]- I only remembered one). I see quotes from earlier in the season about his "booming" leg. He shanked two in the Bears game, and then was 50% or better in all games until Week 9 against the Rams. Since then he has been below average.

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I'm not frustrated with the kid, since he is a rookie. I expect the inconsistency and think that he has met rookie kicker expectations for field goals. However, he needs to improve his touchback efficiency - unless Rich Bisaccia is instructing him to kick to the goal line.
 
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I was never a full on hater but at 2-5 and Love looking abysmal Sean Clifford was starting to look good.
Call me crazy but I still think Clifford is a good QB, maybe not Jordan good but could develop into a career backup or lower end starter level.
Who is this team?!?!?!!??

The headline practically writes itself: It's a Love Story at Lambeau

Never seen such a stark turnaround; we can play with anyone.
We can. Although I think the 49ers would be much harder to beat right now. That team is so balanced and deep with talent.
A stud I forgot. Clements for working Jordan and helping him develop into a Good QB.
Good point. Clements gets a total Stud.
 

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I'll be the first here to elevate Simone Biles to the "stud" level. Obviously she already is in here own right but she also rocked the green & gold quite well and didn't need to sit in a fancy suite. Maybe she stole the mojo from Taylor Swift and now will be our good-luck charm when she attends games.
I wonder how many bodyguards escorted Taylor in to the game yesterday? 20?


Call me crazy but I still think Clifford is a good QB, maybe not Jordan good but could develop into a career backup or lower end starter level.
I like Clifford. If he was in a different situation maybe he would have different expectations. If you had let him sit behind Rodgers for three years, learning from him, that might have made a big difference for him. From watching one episode of Hard Knocks, it looked like Rodgers enjoyed teaching the younger quarterbacks the nuances of the game, and being a mentor. Sort of the anti-Favre in that regard.
 
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I wonder how many bodyguards escorted Taylor in to the game yesterday? 20?



I like Clifford. If he was in a different situation maybe he would have different expectations. If you had let him sit behind Rodgers for three years, learning from him, that might have made a big difference for him. From watching one episode of Hard Knocks, it looked like Rodgers enjoyed teaching the younger quarterbacks the nuances of the game, and being a mentor. Sort of the anti-Favre in that regard.
Stud
Aaron Rodgers

While this might sound funny. There were more indirect but contributing factors to Loves success. That’s one thing I did appreciate about #12. He gets an honorable mention Stud for supporting Jordan through this process. I could be wrong, but I think Rodgers was also indirectly responsible for getting Clements back in house. Aaron has done nothing but offer compliments about Love all along. That takes some fortitude imo
 

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I’m still gonna have to give a dud to Barry’s defense.

Yes there were good moments and holding a team like the chiefs to 19 is generally pretty good. But the chiefs offense has been wildly inconsistent this year, it’s not the same as holding the free-scoring Mahomes-Kelce-Hill chiefs offense in check. And of course penalties are part of the game and some were certainly correctly called, but there were a handful of drives that IMO were stopped more as a result of the chiefs shooting themselves in the foot than our defense playing brilliantly.

Maybe “dud” is harsh but on the whole I still am very firmly convinced that this defense is still underperforming relative to the talent at its disposal.
I wouldn't give them a dud but I wouldn't give them a stud either. The Packer offense controlled the ball for so long the defense was both fresh and did not have to defend many possessions. KC only punted once. IMO this game was all Love, MLF and the entire offense. The other thing I will give all 3 sides of the ball credit for was that it sure looked like GB was the more physical team. I rarely find myself feeling that way.
 

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While this might sound funny. There were more indirect but contributing factors to Loves success. That’s one thing I did appreciate about #12. He gets an honorable mention Stud for supporting Jordan through this process. I could be wrong, but I think Rodgers was also indirectly responsible for getting Clements back in house. Aaron has done nothing but offer compliments about Love all along. That takes some fortitude imo
Reportedly Rodgers still is giving Love advice when asked. I wonder if he ever thinks he might be creating a monster lol.
 

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Question. I thought that Carlson possessed a pretty strong, young leg. However, he doesn't seem to be getting them into the endzone anymore. Obviously there is an adjustment to kicking in the cold, but he's no better than Mason Crosby at this point on kickoffs. He needs to squeeze an extra 5-10 yards out of those kicks. Am I remembering his kickoffs from the first half of the season correctly, that they were better?

I'm not frustrated with the kid, since he is a rookie. I expect the inconsistency and think that he has met rookie kicker expectations for field goals. However, he needs to improve his touchback efficiency - unless Rich Bisaccia is instructing him to kick to the goal line.
^^^^^^THIS

Don't assume the goal is to always kick as deep as you can. Some teams are better than others on kick returns and the Chiefs are not particularly good in that regard. It makes perfect sense that Rich would want those kicks shorter to force them to return and be tackled short of the 25.
 

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I like Clifford. If he was in a different situation maybe he would have different expectations. If you had let him sit behind Rodgers for three years, learning from him, that might have made a big difference for him.
Maybe the plan with Clifford is to let him learn behind Love for a couple years and then trade him to the highest bidder.
 

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Studs

Love

Watson

Aj

Nixon

Defense

ST

ML


Duds

Watson injury again

All the love haters-- suck it.
Suck it...and suck it again

Show your selves
I want to throw in Carlson. 2 long crucial kicks in December in GB when the game was on the line are not gimmes. Especially after 2 sacks which pushed us back. You miss one or both and we may easily lose.
 

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^^^^^^THIS

Don't assume the goal is to always kick as deep as you can. Some teams are better than others on kick returns and the Chiefs are not particularly good in that regard. It makes perfect sense that Rich would want those kicks shorter to force them to return and be tackled short of the 25.
I know he can boom those. It is just that our ST was so bad for so long that we cringed when we say a 3 iron chip.
 

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Maybe the plan with Clifford is to let him learn behind Love for a couple years and then trade him to the highest bidder.
I think the plan is a lot less tricky. Generally speaking, the idea is to coach all 53 to be the best they can be for the good of the team. Every player, every year.
 

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Officiating was an unimaginable dud. There were 4, count them 4 egregiously bad calls on the last drive, 3 of them benefitting the Chiefs.

1 - The bogus personal foul on Owens, obviously

2 - Line judge egregiously calling for the clock to stop when MVS had his forward progress clearly stopped in the field of play.

3 - The Rice overturned non-fumble should have resulted in a 10 second clock runoff AND the clock being run before the snap. Again, an egregious oversight by the officiating crew.

4 - Finally, the missed PI, which, not for nothing, would have never had a chance to be called anyway if 2 and 3 had been called correctly.
 

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Officiating was an unimaginable dud. There were 4, count them 4 egregiously bad calls on the last drive, 3 of them benefitting the Chiefs.

1 - The bogus personal foul on Owens, obviously

2 - Line judge egregiously calling for the clock to stop when MVS had his forward progress clearly stopped in the field of play.

3 - The Rice overturned non-fumble should have resulted in a 10 second clock runoff AND the clock being run before the snap. Again, an egregious oversight by the officiating crew.

4 - Finally, the missed PI, which, not for nothing, would have never had a chance to be called anyway if 2 and 3 had been called correctly.
Well defined.
 

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Maybe we will start seeing other teams draft a QB 3 years before they need to, but probably not.
I've always believed a new QB needs at least two years sitting, and learning, so they don't lose their confidence. It isn't always the most talented QB who is the best one on the field. It's quite often the smartest one, who knows how to move the team, despite not being as good as the other guy. A prime example is Bart Starr. He was a fairly accurate passer, but most of all, he knew how to insure the Packers were all on the same page, play after play. It's called "leadership," and it isn't something the new kid on the block automatically can step in and offer. It takes time, and patience, getting there.

The problem, in today's game, is that if you don't win it all this year as a coach, you're in serious danger of being fired. So, they throw the kids to the wolves, and it's either sink or swim, from day one. Because of it, way too many fail miserably. When the self confidence, almost bordering on arrogance, is gone, so is that little margin of difference between them being a really good QB, and one who isn't going to be around too long.
 

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This is where having a patient board of directors, instead of an inpatient owner, really benefits the Packers
Also why the gory years of the 70's & 80's happened. Word on the street was the board members kept trying to run the team and not the franchise. Bob Harlan put a stop to that when he took over.
 

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