Packers and Raiders: Studs and Duds

[Favre>Rodgers259]

The only 2 guys on your short list are Fitzpatrick and Beathard. Fitz will likely start in Miami, while Beathard will likely be the #2 in SF.

It's all just wishful thinking, I highly doubt any of it happens. Mullens maybe as the No. 3 in SF who also should have some familiarity in the scheme MLF runs.

My hunch is that Kizer will cling on for one more year, and if we ever blow a team out, Boyle will probably get some reps just to see what he can do against a starting caliber defense; if he can survive, I imagine Kizer gets dumped for a Day 3 selection in 2020.

I'm really curious to see what kind of player Gute would want in a QB, looking back on history, the Packers are notoriously bad at drafting QBs(with one notable exception). The last QB drafted since Hundley? B.J. Coleman in 2012....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Boyle will probably get some reps just to see what he can do against a starting caliber defense; if he can survive, I imagine Kizer gets dumped for a Day 3 selection in 2020.

Unless I am missing something on Boyle and the coaches see a real upside to him, I sure hope they don't keep him on the 53. I don't think he has done enough for another team to see him on the waiver wire and say "we need this guy on our roster!" I believe he could then sign on to anyone's PS, but not sure why he would want to go into a new system and would think he would be just fine being on the Packer PS.

If we lose him on waivers, so be it, there are a lot of guys just like Boyle out there.

 

[pacmaniac]

No Rodgers again. I doubt he'll play next week either. If that's the case, I don't really like that he'll be taking his first snaps trying out the new offense against the Bears defense in two weeks.

The Bears have Ha Ha now, so Rodgers can just throw to where he's supposed to be but isn't.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Bears have Ha Ha now, so Rodgers can just throw to where he's supposed to be but isn't.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

 

[RRyder]

wouldn't surprise me, his foot was planted and all sorts of things could have happened with that from the ankle to the knee

Might be better for him long term depending on what's exactly there.

No "might be" about it. If it's a broken ankle he got lucky

 

[RRyder]

While I didn't want to see EQB injured like that, I agree, I think the injury might make the Packers decisions at WR much easier. If they are only keeping 6, it is down to Shepherd VS Lazard.

Hopefully, EQB will be back with the Pack to try again in 2020, I do think he has some potential.

I dont see any way Lazard makes this team over Shepherd. Shepherd is the only receiver with a legit slot skill set and would/will be the backup returner.

Lazard is a practice squad candidate for sure and if they decide to keep 7 he makes it but he just doesnt bring anything extra to the table that isn't allready brought to the table by multiple better receivers to warrant him getting the 6th WR roster spot over Shepherd

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I dont see any way Lazard makes this team over Shepherd. Shepherd is the only receiver with a legit slot skill set and would/will be the backup returner.

Lazard is a practice squad candidate for sure and if they decide to keep 7 he makes it but he just doesnt bring anything extra to the table that isn't allready brought to the table by multiple better receivers to warrant him getting the 6th WR roster spot over Shepherd

I would like to see BOTH players stick with the Packers, but not at the expense of carrying 7 WR's. So barring another injury and if the other 5 are; Adams, MVS, GA, JK and TD how do you best accomplish keeping both of them? Personally, I think other teams will scoop Lazard up faster than they would Shepherd once one of them hits the waiver wire. Lazard's physical attributes are what many teams covet and now that he has shown his ability to learn a playbook, get on the same page with his QB and catch, that is going to get him on a 53 man roster somewhere.

While Shepherd has shown some of those skills as well, I wouldn't overstate what he has done on a few punt returns in preseason and anoint him a great returner just yet and I know that you didn't.

As far as who can play the slot? I think pretty much anyone of the Packer WR's can. GA is slotted to start there, with Adams probably seeing snaps from there, as well as JK and TD. I actually think that is a good fit for TD. So keeping Shepherd just because he is a "natural" slot receiver, isn't convincing enough for me.

Will be interesting to see what the Packers do, but I still think Shepherd will be the easier guy of the two to get to the PS.

But yes, a great question to debate over the next 8 days.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Tom Silverstein
@TomSilverstein
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5m

#Packers are awaiting MRI results on WR Equanimeous St. Brown’s left ankle and ILB Curtis Bolton’s right knee. Both were hurt in the first half of last night’s game at IG Field. St. Brown landed on his own ankle after absorbing the illegal hit from S Erik Harris.

Edit:

Well this is at least good news on one injury last night:

Indications are Allen Lazard is expected to be OK after dropping out of last night's game.

 

[OldSchool101]

Sheppard and Davis are making this team. Only way Lazard sticks is if they keep 7

It also wouldn’t be a bad idea to have 2 return specialists. It’s likely Moore is the odd man either way. Hopefully EQ and Lazard are OK. If EQ has a significant injury, Moore has a shot to make the team, his status pre-Winnipeg, he’s s cut or PS

Unless I am missing something on Boyle and the coaches see a real upside to him, I sure hope they don't keep him on the 53. I don't think he has done enough for another team to see him on the waiver wire and say "we need this guy on our roster!" I believe he could then sign on to anyone's PS, but not sure why he would want to go into a new system and would think he would be just fine being on the Packer PS.

If we lose him on waivers, so be it, there are a lot of guys just like Boyle out there.

I could be wrong. If he’s on our PS another team must sign him “active”. Meaning our PS has some contractual obligations. The only way for another team to sign out PS guy is for us to agree to cut him.
So with that said, I agree he likely won’t get signed to a #53 and, as I’ve said before, I’d keep #3 QBs.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

DUDS:

• The field. Never play in Canada again! This cost both teams the opportunity to get reps in for their starters and for all we know, cost some injuries as well. Just shaking my head that this happens in the NFL.
• Injuries to Bolton, EQB and possibly Gary. ILB was paper thin as it was. Now its on life support. If EQ's injury is significant, Lazard probably just made the team.
• Kizer: Writing this before the game is over. But once again, the guy looks way too indecisive.
• Pass Rush: Do we have one? Hope the starters can produce one.
• Penalties

STUDS:

• Trevor Davis: Silenced me, he made the Roster and Shepherd probably didn't.
• Boyle: Actually looked good for most of the game.
• JK Scott

Duds:

Matt Klein Packers Executive who was sent to Winnipeg days ahead of the team. You didn't see this disaster and figure this out a couple days ago?

The whole team: A dude takes a shot like that at EQ and NOBODY puts the dude's *** on a stretcher? I've watched this too many times over the years...bunch of P&&&IES

Kizer: I know this kid can play and do damage as a starting QB. You don't go from being that good in college to this bad. I do now think he's gone and that Boyle and Manny are the backups.

Studs:

Boyle: Deep improvement from last week, last night may have been his best game as a Packer. Comfortable with him going in if Rodgers goes down on a short term basis.

Trevor Davis: Great game last night, and while I still don't think he makes the team I think now he may be the last WR cut instead of the first.

Ty Summers: I'm high on the kid, but I think something clicked at halftime last night, and I think the REAL Ty Summers is gonna be seen going forward. With Bolton down I think he's the other ILB in the base if Burks is gonna be back by week 5. If not we need to sign a vet. I have a feeling Ty is better suited to be the play caller and have that responsibility, so he may be better fit as Martinez's back up,b ut give him a shot at the other spot in the base.

 

[OldSchool101]

I have a feeling Ty is better suited to be the play caller and have that responsibility, so he may be better fit as Martinez's back up,b ut give him a shot at the other spot in the base.

Agree with this wholeheartedly. Ty is a lesser version replica of Martinez. Ty’s leading trait is effort.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I could be wrong. If he’s on our PS another team must sign him “active”. Meaning our PS has some contractual obligations. The only way for another team to sign out PS guy is for us to agree to cut him.
So with that said, I agree he likely won’t get signed to a #53 and, as I’ve said before, I’d keep #3 QBs.

I could be wrong too....lol

But....I think once a player is cut from the 90 and clears waivers (not added to a 53), he is free to sign a deal with any other team and that deal can be to go on their 53 or their practice squad. Once a player signs to a teams practice squad, he can't be plucked off it to be on another teams PS, they have to sign him to their 53.

So whomever gets cut from the 90, from whatever team, once they clear waivers, they are free to sign with any other team, whether its to be on their 53 or their PS. Most choose to stay with the same team due to familiarity, but some just need a change of scenery or get signed to a 53.

So if Boyle is cut, he must clear waivers (a team doesn't put him on their 53), at that point he can sign with any team, including the Packers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Duds:

Matt Klein Packers Executive who was sent to Winnipeg days ahead of the team. You didn't see this disaster and figure this out a couple days ago?

The whole team: A dude takes a shot like that at EQ and NOBODY puts the dude's *** on a stretcher? I've watched this too many times over the years...bunch of P&&&IES

The Raiders were the host of this game and therefore it was THEIR responsibility to make sure the playing conditions were fine. Now I haven't heard the full story yet, but Packer people were expressing their displeasure pretty quickly on arrival, so I wouldn't exactly call Matt Klein a Dud.

On you thinking the Packer players should have responded in kind to the hit on EQ. Really? What does that do, besides get a few more players kicked out or hurt? Not that I was ok with the hit and he will get fined, I don't think it was the hit that caused the injury, nor do I think retaliating in kind is the smart thing to do.

 

[gbgary]

Easy trap to fall into when you watch Preseason games. Boyle has stunk it up just as much as Kizer has in other games. I think you still have Kizer as your #2 and that is mainly due to real game experience VS. starters. Neither of them are talented enough to make me feel comfortable with our #2.

i'm not saying he's the second coming or anything close. of the two boyle's had the better preseason and like i said he's got a little something. surrounded by 1's he might get them through a short rodgers absence. we all know what would happen in the worst case but really that goes for anyone. i don't see them going after an experienced guy unless they're in good position for a playoff spot and rodgers is expected back. cap room is too precious.

 

[PackAttack12]

Tom Silverstein
@TomSilverstein
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5m

#Packers are awaiting MRI results on WR Equanimeous St. Brown’s left ankle and ILB Curtis Bolton’s right knee. Both were hurt in the first half of last night’s game at IG Field. St. Brown landed on his own ankle after absorbing the illegal hit from S Erik Harris.

Edit:

Well this is at least good news on one injury last night:

Indications are Allen Lazard is expected to be OK after dropping out of last night's game.

High ankle sprain for EQ, confirmed by Rapoport. Will be out a projected 4-6 weeks.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

High ankle sprain for EQ, confirmed by Rapoport. Will be out a projected 4-6 weeks.

Much better than a broken ankle or ligament damage!

But it presents the problem of what do you do in the meantime with him? Can they IR him now with that injury? If they do, he is done for the season or until he fights the designation. If they want to put him on IR to return, they have to first put him on the 53.

Uggg...decisions.

 

[Firethorn1001]

The whole team: A dude takes a shot like that at EQ and NOBODY puts the dude's *** on a stretcher? I've watched this too many times over the years...bunch of P&&&IES

When has any player from any team put a guy on a stretcher recently for a bad shot?

Not even Charles Martin was put on a stretcher and that was the cheapest of cheap.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

When has any player from any team put a guy on a stretcher recently for a bad shot?

Not even Charles Martin was put on a stretcher and that was the cheapest of cheap.

Well the Original poster's name IS Ric Flair, so this might explain the mentality of retaliate a cheap shot with cheap shots of your own.

 

[Mondio]

High ankle sprain for EQ, confirmed by Rapoport. Will be out a projected 4-6 weeks.

wow, i thought it was much worse. This is good news

 

[GleefulGary]

Criticism of the pass rush when none of the starters were even playing is... interesting.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Criticism of the pass rush when none of the starters were even playing is... interesting.

I was one who criticized it, so I will comment on it. Even when the starters played against the Ravens there wasn't much of a pass rush. Those non-starters who also haven't created a pass rush have been playing against other non-starters, so them not getting to the QB is concerning to me. How many times have the Packers backup QB's been sacked or hit in preseason? How many sacks or hits do the Packers have on opposing QB's?

I understand that this could all change when the starters play, but not seeing much of a pass rush from the Packer starters or the backups is a bit concerning to me. Let's just hope Pettine is holding back a bit until the regular season starts.

Also, since most of the preseason is just backups playing against backups, should we just hold off on any comments? I mean these aren't the starters right?

 

[gbgary]

Much better than a broken ankle or ligament damage!

But it presents the problem of what do you do in the meantime with him? Can they IR him now with that injury? If they do, he is done for the season or until he fights the designation. If they want to put him on IR to return, they have to first put him on the 53.

Uggg...decisions.

a sprain is ligament damage.

 

[swhitset]

It also wouldn’t be a bad idea to have 2 return specialists. It’s likely Moore is the odd man either way. Hopefully EQ and Lazard are OK. If EQ has a significant injury, Moore has a shot to make the team, his status pre-Winnipeg, he’s s cut or PS

I could be wrong. If he’s on our PS another team must sign him “active”. Meaning our PS has some contractual obligations. The only way for another team to sign out PS guy is for us to agree to cut him.
So with that said, I agree he likely won’t get signed to a #53 and, as I’ve said before, I’d keep #3 QBs.

He would need to actually sign a practice squad contract before he has any obligation. He must be cut first though... at which point he is fair game.

Edit.... I should have read all the replies .. Poker covered it above in much better detail.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

The lack of pass rush is concerning but again it is the preseason. Gary, who is supposed to be a big part of that is still only a rookie. Keep in mind that two out of our four preseason opponents are also regular season opponents, and a third opponent we spent several practices with in camp. I'm sure Pettine has dialed it back to not reveal any wrinkles in his actual regular season playbook.

I'll hold my reservations until Week 5.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

a sprain is ligament damage.

Sorry, in my head I was thinking more "torn ACL, Achilles, etc."