Have any of our rookies been standing out so far?

[Deleted member 6794]

Anyone know where I can find current stats on the famed 1 on 1 drills from the practices? I need to bookmark that sucker.

Rob Demovsky takes track of the results, I think this here is his latest posting about it:

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-...on-spriggs-impressive-in-packers-1-on-1-drill

Possibly but I think it's more likely that Clark, Lowry and Ringo get fed to the lions early. I think mgmt is ok with going 2-2 in the first quarter of the season. I've always been of the opinion that it wasmuch more important to have the team playing well in November and December even if it meant having inexperienced guys playing a lot early on.

While I agree that it's more important to play on a high level late in the season I'm absolutely convinced management won't be OK with starting 2-2.

What the coaches say months ago doesn't really mean as much as what's happening on the field right now. The coaches WANT Matthews back outside but if the ILBs are terrible then expect Matthews to go back inside because the Packers have decent depth at OLB.

While it's possible the coaching staff moves Matthews back inside if the unit struggles mightily him exclusively getting reps outside is a strong indicator about the plans of the coaching staff.

 

[El Guapo]

He's also only played 15-20 snaps each game. They are easing him in, which is my preferred path for him.

 

[adambr2]

I'm going to be blunt and say this rookie class has been very disappointing so far.

Both Clark and Spriggs have been hurt, Clark has done little. Spriggs has shown the most upside of any of our picks in camp, but yet has still been blown up often in games. Fackrell has done little to stand out as a future edge rusher. Martinez has had moments, but hasn't really lived up to the camp hype. Davis looked impressive to start camp, and now looks like a practice squad body.

Look, I know it's way, way too early to fairly evaluate a draft class, and it's very true that some of these guys could still end up being standout players. It's even too early to make any definite determinations after one season, much less a preseason.

All I'm really saying, is that the early returns have been disappointing. Typically, given as many opportunities as they get in training camp, you'll see one or two draft picks that will really stand out and demonstrate to the team and scouts why they were picked there. That hasn't happened in camp this year.

Like I said, we still don't know how this will turn out. But when your 2 best camp rookies are an undrafted quarterback and undrafted wide receiver, both with little shot to make the team, that's not a good thing.

 

[Sanguine camper]

The two best rookies so far have been Geronimo and Brice. Fackrell has shown the least and Clark has done nothing to warrant a lot of optimism. I think the 2 tales will eventually pan out and while Davis might not be ready as a WR he's the Packers best punt returner.

 

[PackerDNA]

Brice and Evans are two guys I'm really rooting for.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm going to be blunt and say this rookie class has been very disappointing so far.

The Packers only drafted two players this year to have an immediate impact this season in Clark and Martinez. I wasn't excited about Thompson selecting Clark in the first round and as of right now haven't seen anything to prove me wrong about it. Martinez has mostly been impressive though and I expect him to significantly improve the inside linebacker position.

The other rookies were mostly drafted with the 2017 season in mind.

 

[Packerlifer]

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[4zone]

We've got waaay too many return specialists right now. We need some of these guys to step up and be full timers, not just ST only. Davis, Hyde, Abby, Montgomery, Janis...

 

[thisisnate]

I expect Clark may take a few years. He's 20 years old. He's a baby.

 

[Poppa San]

We've got waaay too many return specialists right now. We need some of these guys to step up and be full timers, not just ST only. Davis, Hyde, Abby, Montgomery, Janis...

You forgot Cobb and Starks as returners also. Hyde is the nickel back / 3rd safety. The rest you listed are low on the totem pole WRs trying to stick with the team. Most teams' returners come from that area. I don't expect any you listed to become a starter here in the next year or two barring injury.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I expect Clark may take a few years. He's 20 years old. He's a baby.

A first round pick should be capable of having an immediate impact. If it takes Clark a few years to perform on a high level that should be considered as a disappointment.

You forgot Cobb and Starks as returners also.

Mostly agree with your post but Starks hasn't returned a single kickoff or punt since the 2010 season. He doesn't compete for a job as a returner.

 

[Poppa San]

Mostly agree with your post but Starks hasn't returned a single kickoff or punt since the 2010 season. He doesn't compete for a job as a returner.

Thought I saw him back for a KR in one of the preseason games. Or was that Crockett? It was a RB I didn't expect back there.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

A first round pick should be capable of having an immediate impact. If it takes Clark a few years to perform on a high level that should be considered as a disappointment.

I couldn't disagree more. Expecting a rookie dlineman taken towards the end of the first round to produce in the first year or two is a great way to ensure eternal disappointment. I'll be among the first to admit that Thompson's history of early-round dline isn't very good, Clark shouldn't be judged in his first year or two. He needs time to grow and learn before any judgment should be made.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I couldn't disagree more. Expecting a rookie dlineman taken towards the end of the first round to produce in the first year or two is a great way to ensure eternal disappointment. I'll be among the first to admit that Thompson's history of early-round dline isn't very good, Clark shouldn't be judged in his first year or two. He needs time to grow and learn before any judgment should be made.

Clark is expected to start on a Super Bowl contending team. There's no way Thompson drafted him in the first round with the plan of having to develop him for two years before he's having an impact.

That approach is fine for a fourth rounder like Lowry.

 

[Sky King]

Clark is expected to start on a Super Bowl contending team. There's no way Thompson drafted him in the first round with the plan of having to develop him for two years before he's having an impact.

That approach is fine for a fourth rounder like Lowry.

And a second-rounder like Adams.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Clark is expected to start on a Super Bowl contending team. There's no way Thompson drafted him in the first round with the plan of having to develop him for two years before he's having an impact.

That approach is fine for a fourth rounder like Lowry.

And by the end of the year he might be a starter. I don't think a dlineman gets drafted at the end of the first with the expectation that he'll be an impactful starter from the beginning of the season. If that was the case, there would be a heck of a lot of disappointments late in the first round.

 

[Half Empty]

There already ARE a heck of a lot of disappointments late in the first round.

 

[Mondio]

Had clark been picked #5, I'd think they drafted him with the intention of being impactful sooner rather than later. Being picked near the end of the round tells me they liked him and he'll probably play meaningful snaps a good part of his first year, but growth is expected over a couple seasons. Given the Packers situation along the DL, it's kind of a necessity he play well right out of the gate. Baptism by fire. I hope this kid takes off.

 

[adambr2]

Rookie contracts are only 4 years in the NFL with an extra option year for 1st rounders.

While some guys are certainly going to be raw projects and require more time, you do need to have some immediate expectations out of your early picks. That's not saying that you expect them to be Pro Bowlers right out of the gates, but you certainly hope to get some productive rookie starters.

Planning on developing most of your rookies for 2-3 years and getting 1 to 2 years of production out of them before they hit free agency wouldn't be a very efficient way to operate.

 

[Poppa San]

Planning on developing most of your rookies for 2-3 years and getting 1 to 2 years of production out of them before they hit free agency wouldn't be a very efficient way to operate.

Over half the roster is replaced every 3 years anyways. If not more when teams suck. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000340908/article/which-teams-have-had-the-most-nfl-roster-turnover During the 2014 offseason, Packers led the league with number of players on roster that suited up in at least one game in 2011 with 25.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

And by the end of the year he might be a starter. I don't think a dlineman gets drafted at the end of the first with the expectation that he'll be an impactful starter from the beginning of the season. If that was the case, there would be a heck of a lot of disappointments late in the first round.

The Packers are counting on Clark to start in week 1 and not by the end of the year. Like it or not, Thompson's draft and develop philosophy demands early round picks to have an immediate impact. It seems that his lack of success with selecting defensive linemen at the end of the first round has resulted in fans mistaking those players for developmental prospects though.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Rookie contracts are only 4 years in the NFL with an extra option year for 1st rounders.

While some guys are certainly going to be raw projects and require more time, you do need to have some immediate expectations out of your early picks. That's not saying that you expect them to be Pro Bowlers right out of the gates, but you certainly hope to get some productive rookie starters.

Planning on developing most of your rookies for 2-3 years and getting 1 to 2 years of production out of them before they hit free agency wouldn't be a very efficient way to operate.

That's not what anyone was arguing. Nobody said that Clark shouldn't be expected to contribute for 2-3 years...

 

[Half Empty]

I don't know, post #89 looked pretty close.

 

[adambr2]

Expecting a rookie dlineman taken towards the end of the first round to produce in the first year or two is a great way to ensure eternal disappointment.

I expect Clark may take a few years. He's 20 years old. He's a baby.

That's not what anyone was arguing. Nobody said that Clark shouldn't be expected to contribute for 2-3 years...

Having a hard time interpreting these quotes any other way...

 

[HardRightEdge]

I think mgmt is ok with going 2-2 in the first quarter of the season.

I think management is not at all OK with going 2-2 in the first quarter or any quarter of the season.