LoL MLF has barely been here that long…but sure I’ll play the game. Check out Jones’ production during MLF time, easily one. Also check out Adams’ production pre and post MLF arriving.
It’s a massive turning to the guard in GB, if folks want to expect miracles go for it, each their own.
Pointing out the inexperience of a roster is not an excuse lol
Jones actually had 5.5 YPC in 2017 and 2018 under McCarthy. He's gotten that high once under LaFleur. I can't give LaFleur credit for Jones, he would have succeeded on any team.
I will certainly concede that LaFleur got a lot out of Rodgers/Adams and a veteran laden team in the regular season. But, his teams also collapsed in ugly ways in the playoffs, that is also a fact.
So this is a bit misleading as in MLF's time here in GB let's look at the young players drafted and brought in reflectively "should" have been something arguably:
Day 1 - this is where you elite types should come from or minimum perennial starters.
2019 - Gary and Savage
2020 - Love
2021 - Stokes
2022 - Walker and Wyatt
2023 - LVN
So Love is the only offensive addition in those years - and just like ANY draft pick that a logical person is grading or reviewing you want to see two years minimum from them - verdict still out on Love.
2nd Rounders - lower return expected but still hope to get starting level play:
2019 - Elgton Jenkins
2020 - AJ Dillon
2021 - Josh Myers
2022 - Christian Watson
2023 - Luke Musgrave & Jayden Reed
Honestly, Jenkins is an AP...
Dillon until this year has at MINIMUM provided mid-level NFL starting level production and at times has looked like an RB1...
Myers has provided sufficient starting center play, but most likely is not seeing a second contract or I should say IMO won't - to me he's given you more what you expect out of a 3rd rounder or so.
Watson, when healthy produces VERY VERY well relative to the league norms.
Musgrave is going through growing pains for sure and is too young to know...Reed has at times looked like a second year slot receiver for us.
So while I get people get all sad about us always going defense a lot on Day 1...I don't see this abysmal return some do either.
Convenient for you to just ignore rounds 3-through-7.
Just push aside:
2019 3rd round TE Sternberger
2020 3rd round TE Deguara
2020 6th round OL Runyan, Hanson, Stepaniak
2021 3rd round WR Rodgers
2021 4th round OL Newman
2021 6th round OL Van Lanen
2022 3th round OL Rhyan
Those are four misses in the 3rd round plus a 4th rounder on offense. This is why the offense is putrid now, too many washouts drafted on offense. If LaFleur could have found a way to coax something great out of just one or two of those six OL we're probably not having this conversation right here. Of course, maybe it's on Gute.
Anyway, Dillon is not getting better. Neither is Myers. Even UDFA OT Nijman is regressing. Is LaFleur coaching them up?
Why do I sense an emotional reaction to growing pains here?
As for the spin about my emotional reaction or frustration, that is just your own egotism seeping out. You're saying my opinion of the current state of the Packers is emotional and therefore irrational. The inference being that you on the other hand are purely analytical and unemotional and therefore holding the more valid opinion. Hey, if you need to bring others down to build yourself up, who am I to argue. But, true emotionalism is hoping they way dedicated fans do no matter what. Perhaps such as yourself. Which is fine.
I simply say that youth alone is not good grounds for hope/optimism. And there are factors stated above pertaining to why they are so young, namely Gute/LaFleur failing to rear up previous players, that cause me to think there is a problem with drafting and growing NFL players in GB. Perhaps I am wrong, time will tell.
Finally, I expected this team to finish about 4-13 this season, so, frustration is not my mood, they are doing better than I expected.
I have no axe to grind and enjoyed the back and forth with everyone. Peace.
