2020 Packers first round pick: Jordan Love, QB

[gbgary]

You don't think 2 broken collarbones and leg injuries haven't had their toll on our HOF QB?

plus that swelled head. the pressure has to be enormous. lol

 

[PackAttack12]

uummm...bulaga is about the only drop-off i can think of. am i forgetting someone else? funchis (sp) is an upgrade. i'd say they're about the same.

Funchess didn't play a single after week 1 last year. An upgrade? Sure. How much of one I'm not convinced of.

plus that swelled head. the pressure has to be enormous. lol

For someone who claims to view Rodgers in an objective light, you do a hell of a job of contradicting yourself on the daily.

 

[TomBrownFan40]

Some reflection and projection on Love. (The phrase sounds a bit poetic or pornographic depending on your thought processes but, we should get ready for a lot of that kind of bad word play concerning our QB's name)

He is the pick. So, let's put aside whether he should or should not have been selected for the moment.

I'm losing patience with the sports punditocracy's obsession with Aaron Rodgers' psyche. #12 will be fine. His contract locks him in as our starting QB for the next two years as his cap numbers are huge. The third year things improve from the Packers perspective.
Jordan Love is only 21 years old. He'll be 23 two years from now. Thinking a bit like the Kenny Clark situation a few years back, he'll basically be a red shirt senior after the 2021 season. The big difference being he'll have two years of NFL coaching under his belt under Matt Lafleur instead of slinging at Utah State.
Two years will be plenty of time to decide which season was the aberration, the healthy Aaron Rodgers 13-3 season or the injury plagued Aaron Rodgers previous 6-10 two seasons. That will also be plenty of time to decide whether Jordan Love is an NFL quarterback or a bust.
We'll see.

 

[gbgary]

Funchess didn't play a single after week 1 last year. An upgrade? Sure. How much of one I'm not convinced of.

For someone who claims to view Rodgers in an objective light, you do a hell of a job of contradicting yourself on the daily.

lol...come on. even you can admit rodgers ego is enormous.

 

[PackAttack12]

lol...come on. even you can admit rodgers ego is enormous.

Of course. Along with just about every other superstar quarterback ever. It’s funny though you feel the need to take slight jabs at him. If you’ll just admit that you don’t like the guy, it’ll save everyone sometime.

 

[OldSchool101]

What are you smoking? Love threw 17 picks last year. He doesn't see the field and tucks and runs just like Deshon Kizer. Do you really think the Packers can fix glaring holes at WR, TE, ILB, DL and OT with the 62 and 94 picks? Gute has really sent a huge nessage to the team. Its a big FU to 2020 and 2021.

Boy. Wouldn’t we be embarrassed if he went out before trade deadline and got 1-2 proven veterans.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Love officially set to wear No. 10 in Green & Gold.

 

[OldSchool101]

Some reflection and projection on Love. (The phrase sounds a bit poetic or pornographic depending on your thought processes but, we should get ready for a lot of that kind of bad word play concerning our QB's name)

He is the pick. So, let's put aside whether he should or should not have been selected for the moment.

I'm losing patience with the sports punditocracy's obsession with Aaron Rodgers' psyche. #12 will be fine. His contract locks him in as our starting QB for the next two years as his cap numbers are huge. The third year things improve from the Packers perspective.
Jordan Love is only 21 years old. He'll be 23 two years from now. Thinking a bit like the Kenny Clark situation a few years back, he'll basically be a red shirt senior after the 2021 season. The big difference being he'll have two years of NFL coaching under his belt under Matt Lafleur instead of slinging at Utah State.
Two years will be plenty of time to decide which season was the aberration, the healthy Aaron Rodgers 13-3 season or the injury plagued Aaron Rodgers previous 6-10 two seasons. That will also be plenty of time to decide whether Jordan Love is an NFL quarterback or a bust.
We'll see.

Amen. In the meantime, we got ourselves a solid backup for $3M and someone who could start easily by 2022. He was a clear #4 best QB in this class and the 3 QBs ahead of him likely see significant snaps this season. There’s no doubt they can get him at least functional by mid-season. Assuming there is a season!

 

[rmontro]

MLF wants to run the system Gute hired him to run.

Everyone knew he'd be working with our HOF quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Reportedly he modified his system to work with him, which makes sense. Not tailoring the scheme to the talent you have is something McCarthy was criticized for. However: If Rodgers is really incompatible with MLF's system, then why the heck would Gute hire him?

 

[PackerFlatLander]

Damn, haven't logged on here in ages, lol. Yeah, this draft is weird so far. I'm okay with the trade for Love, clearly they like him a lot better than anyone coming out next year or the year after. This might be just what Rodgers needs, as he rides out his time there, light a fire under him, etc. Some of these stories in the media, about a sure divorce coming, etc., just ridiculous, no merit to it at all.

 

[PackAttack12]

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[gbgary]

What are you smoking? Love threw 17 picks last year. He doesn't see the field and tucks and runs just like Deshon Kizer. Do you really think the Packers can fix glaring holes at WR, TE, ILB, DL and OT with the 62 and 94 picks? Gute has really sent a huge nessage to the team. Its a big FU to 2020 and 2021.

i heard he went from 6 ints to 17 the next year because the team was worse and he was just trying to win. went gunslinger. we can get used to that again. lol

 

[FaninColorado]

We actually might be one of the only teams that got worse from last year.

Downgrade at ILB, downgrade at OT, same WR crew, same DT crew... so basically same can't stop the run like last year, our impact players are the same as last year... so if we have more injuries than last year... we'll be lucky to be 6-10 or 7-9. It will be strike one or two for both Gute and MLF towards their removal. There is a high chance that both of them might not be around when/if Love actually begins to make an impact.

 

[tynimiller]

We actually might be one of the only teams that got worse from last year.

Downgrade at ILB, downgrade at OT, same WR crew, same DT crew... so basically same can't stop the run like last year, our impact players are the same as last year... so if we have more injuries than last year... we'll be lucky to be 6-10 or 7-9. It will be strike one or two for both Gute and MLF towards their removal. There is a high chance that both of them might not be around when/if Love actually begins to make an impact.

I say funny only because you think we downgraded at ILB. Martinez is not capable of what a healthy Kirksey is. To say we got worse before we see season is not possible. Kirksey when healthy can do the clean up work Martinez did and we also do not have the same WR group. We added two guys and will have a healthy ESB....that's without adding any UDFA or free agents yet. Good try but not true. Also not the same DT crew as we drafted one and I suspect sign a few UDFA...while no one could argue we got better at DT the argument is valid enough we did at ILB and WR...it is to what degree no one knows.

 

[FaninColorado]

While I agree Kirksey is better than Martinez... but the injuries bother me. Martinez didn't miss many games for us... while Kirksey has missed a lot the last 2 years.

WR wise... we only have Adams and Lazard that have proven themselves... maybe just Adams. Funchess and ESB are unknowns. I hope I'm wrong... but currently we didn't help out Rodgers, Jones, and Adams even close to enough.

 

[Dantés]

i heard he went from 6 ints to 17 the next year because the team was worse and he was just trying to win. went gunslinger. we can get used to that again. lol

The coaching staff moved on, and the offense returned one starter other than Love.

 

[jhawk008]

Love had a less successful college career then Hundley, had a less successful college career then Kizer. I actually like Kizer more than I like Love. People say Mahomes and I just laugh.. the better comparison is more like Josh Allen (who probably is more athletic than him). Mahomes is a once in a generation player. Lamar is a once in a generation player. Rodgers is a once in a generation player. Josh Allen is a run of the mill serviceable QB.

I really can't think of one thing that Jordan Love does REALLY well that will translate to the next level. Poor eye discipline, and head scratching throws IN THE MOUNTAIN WEST somehow is going to translate to being a future star in the NFL? Keep hearing over and over again that he lost a lot of talent around him and that's why his production dropped and he regressed mightly.... news flash! this franchise hasn't helped one of the greatest QB's in NFL history with TOP END draft talent in years (Kinda wanna say the same with Favre for a lot of his career).. We as a franchise have chosen NOT to choose skill position players as a premium when it comes to drafting/free agency. So get used to it Jordan Love!


Stole this from twitter (Ian Warton NFL Study)... below is charted every throw for the draft's top 7 QBs so far for catchable balls, and here are the results. Colors represent quartiles of 20 compared to this guys database of prospects since 2013. Green is top-20, yellow 20-40, orange 40-60, red 60-80.

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Some notable data comparisons: Burrow - tier of his own.. Tua - more refined Kyler.. Herbert - Wentz/Stidham (he's in the sea of mediocrity).. Hurts - Bortles/Paxton Lynch (they charted well).. Eason - lesser Dak/Daniel Jones.. Love - Chad Kelly/Josh Allen.. Fromm - Glennon/Luke Falk (oof)

 

[pacmaniac]

Article I read said that Love makes some throws that would make even Jameis Winston wince.

 

[Jerellh528]

While I agree Kirksey is better than Martinez... but the injuries bother me. Martinez didn't miss many games for us... while Kirksey has missed a lot the last 2 years.

WR wise... we only have Adams and Lazard that have proven themselves... maybe just Adams. Funchess and ESB are unknowns. I hope I'm wrong... but currently we didn't help out Rodgers, Jones, and Adams even close to enough.

lazard hasn’t proven anything, if he’s proven then MVS is as well and that makes Funchess certifiably proven. Funchess has proven he can play in this league and produce at a wr2 level. Adams has proven he’s an elite WR. Everyone else we have hasn’t proven a thing.

 

[PackAttack12]

Might as well get a few laughs in:

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[GleefulGary]

Are you talking about the game they lost 42-6? And Love threw for 130 yards with no TDs and three INTs?
And I know they were putting in a new system, but that 20-17 TD to INT record isn't very impressive.

Yes! I am talking about that game.

It was an incredibly impressive game from Love.

There were bad moments, of course, but all in all, I'm not sure I saw another QB play as well as he did against that LSU defense.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Stole this from twitter (Ian Warton NFL Study)... below is charted every throw for the draft's top 7 QBs so far for catchable balls, and here are the results. Colors represent quartiles of 20 compared to this guys database of prospects since 2013. Green is top-20, yellow 20-40, orange 40-60, red 60-80.

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Some notable data comparisons: Burrow - tier of his own.. Tua - more refined Kyler.. Herbert - Wentz/Stidham (he's in the sea of mediocrity).. Hurts - Bortles/Paxton Lynch (they charted well).. Eason - lesser Dak/Daniel Jones.. Love - Chad Kelly/Josh Allen.. Fromm - Glennon/Luke Falk (oof)

While I am not that big of a fan of the pick, more due to timing and need of a 13-3 team, I do believe that Love has the potential to be a very good NFL QB.

Your dismissal of his 2019 season by comparing it to how the Packers haven't treated Rodgers with weapons is a stretch in trying to make a point. It is very common for Scouts to look at variables surrounding a players situation. Do you think Nick and Joey Bosa were drafted based on their final seasons at OSU?

Do you have the same chart inserting Love's stats from 2018?

I would echo what many are saying about Love and its a bit like Jake Fromm, had either had a better supporting cast around them in 2019, which a QB relies on, their draft stock would have been much higher.

Again, I would have preferred a pick that was intended to immediately improve the team, but I totally get the dice roll on Gutes part.

 

[Dantés]

People who are predisposed to be optimistic about Love can find plenty in his profile to make them excited.

People who are predisposed to be pessimistic about Love can find plenty in his profile to make them dismissive.

A homer will tell you that only the good things from his career are relevant and that he's going to become a star in Green Bay, no doubt about it-- because they want to believe that.

An anti-homer will tell you only the bad things from his career are relevant and that's going to be a total bust in Green Bay, no doubt about it-- because they're butt hurt and want to throw a fit.

Despite the latter telling you he's objective, he's just a irrational as the former.

The front office clearly thought he was worth the investment. QB was not an immediate need. They could have waited a year and still had time to find an heir apparent. They chose to move up and get Love. So they are clearly bullish on him. He's going to be in the pipeline for 1-2 years, and then we will see. If they were right, they solved the biggest issue facing the organization for the next decade plus at a pretty low cost. If they were wrong, they unnecessarily made it a little bit harder for Rodgers to win a Super Bowl before he's finished.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The drafting of Love was somewhat similar to some of what we heard after Gary was selected last season. Many thought, including myself, that the selection was a luxury given the fact that the Packers had just signed the Smith Brothers and maybe the pick should have been directed at a position of higher need. I didn't honestly know what to think of Gary at the time and I am still unsure. Kind of the same with Love. Both players appear to be guys with big upsides at premium (expensive) positions. Then again, both players could bust right out and the picks will be viewed as complete wastes. Given that the Packers and every other NFL team have had first round busts, I just accept that its part of the process and part of the risk-reward equation.

No doubt that if Love ends up being THE guy, this will be viewed as one of the biggest and ballsiest draft moves in Packer history. If he ends up being average or trade bait, you pretty much break even. If after a few seasons, the Packers give up on him and get rid of him, then I will call him one of bigger busts in Packer draft history, but not until then.

Right now I like what I see of Love and his potential. I am just unsure if he was worth the risk, given the other more perceived (to me) immediate needs of a team that is coming off a 13-3 season and a trip to the NFCCG.

 

[PackAttack12]

If you want to watch a game where you come away convinced Jordan Love will be a good NFL player, watch the LSU game.

He was constantly creating space for his receivers, making guys open, playing against an NFL secondary and NFL LB crew.

Incredibly impressive.

I watched this game for the first time this morning from start to finish, and let me tell you right now from a guy who hated the move for Love...it was highly impressive.

To your point, he was going up against as impressive a defensive unit as you’ll find in college football. But he was making as many plays as he could, given what he had to work with. Running game was non existent for most of the game, pressure coming at his face consistent, receivers dropping balls including a deep post that was a walk in touchdown that was dropped.

He clearly has a lot of tools though. He has arm talent that cannot be coached. It’s God given. He’s an effortless thrower of the football. He can loft it, but has some impressive zip when needed to get it over the top of linebackers, but beat the high coverage. I was impressed with his ability to stand in the pocket and drive some balls down the field against that defense.

Couple of things that really stood out:

- had the awareness to catch LSU with too many men on the field with a quick snap (any Packer fans seen that before?) and not only that, dropped a dime down the sideline.

- the ability is there to throw from multiple platforms, and the ball wind up in a decent spot for receivers. It isn’t elite, but it can be tuned into an elite trait.

- they were pushing the ball down the field, and he takes the snap, immediately looks to the left to shift the single high safety, then launches it down the right sideline.

Now that play resulted in a underthrown ball that was intercepted by a quality DB, but there are things to like a lot.

Things I don’t like? Footwork leaves something to be desired, undisciplined too often, antsy in the pocket at times (fair against LSU). He had some bad interceptions, the last two of which he was just trying to do too much in a lopsided game.

But yeah. You mentioned it before. If you watch his tape against an insane LSU team and aren’t impressed, something is wrong with your eyes. Looking at his numbers in a box score does no justice for some of the things he was able to do in that game.