Studs n duds Cowboys

[rmontro]

Ahhhh yes....the CBA.....worried about making more money for the team and players, but F the fans and the quality of the play.

I was going to make a similar comment, but you probably put it better than I could have.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was going to make a similar comment, but you probably put it better than I could have.

I may sound cynical, but just like everything else in this world....follow the money.

 

[Thirteen Below]

It has happened to me a few times and both times I politely explained the situation to the person and both times, they said "Oh my god, I didn't even think about that, I will remove it, and they did." But don't blame me if an arrogant fan, like we saw at the Ryder Cup, punches you for making the request.

You could always take a can of WD-40 withh you and spray the hat. They're styrofoam, right?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You could always take a can of WD-40 withh you and spray the hat. They're styrofoam, right?

I think the better approach is lighter fluid and well....a match!

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Seems we aren't the only ones talking about Bisaccia being on the hotseat.

Was also surprised, but not surprised by this:

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Firing of Packers Coach a 'Hot Topic' After Week 4 Mistakes

Packers special teams have caused significant issues this season, part of a disturbing trend for Green Bay.

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[rmontro]

I may sound cynical, but just like everything else in this world....follow the money.

Well, the lack of practice time isn't all about money, it's more of a "benefit" for the players that they don't have to work too hard.

Just saw those stats you posted on special teams. I knew we weren't very good, but I didn't know we were THAT bad.

 

[tynimiller]

Honestly rather than fire Rich I’d embrace if Matt thinks he has immense value just keep him as the assistant head coach and hire a new ST coach.

Why we made him on top of the teams coach the assistant head coach in 2023 always baffled me.

Be a very expensive assistant but we gotta do somehting

 

[gopkrs]

Honestly rather than fire Rich I’d embrace if Matt thinks he has immense value just keep him as the assistant head coach and hire a new ST coach.

Why we made him on top of the teams coach the assistant head coach in 2023 always baffled me.

Be a very expensive assistant but we gotta do somehting

Honestly. Can't see a plus there

 

[Magooch]

The case of LaFleur IMO is tough in both directions. No denying that at the end of the day his overall record is very, very, very good. And like Tyni said, on the whole it is somewhat rare that you push out that kind of coach and see immediate improvement. I guess you could make a case for the Eagles (Pederson to Sirianni), Broncos (Fox to Kubiak), Ravens (Billick to Harbaugh), maybe Seattle (Holmgren to Mora for a season before Carroll)...

But at the same time I think that coaches making that late "jump" is somewhat rare as well. Like above we can point to guys like Reid, Schottenheimer, Dungy as examples of teams who fired good coaches and it backfired* on them and these coaches became more successful in the future...BUT the big common thread here is that all three saw those improvements *with a different team*. Yes Schottenheimer did well with KC, and the Browns are the Browns, but there's no guarantee he would've had the same success/sustained by staying in Cleveland. Yes Tony Dungy won the Super Bowl with the Colts, but who's to say that he would've had the same success with Tampa? Yes Andy Reid went from being a very good coach to IMO an all-timer in KC but again...would that have happened if he had stayed? That is anyone's guess.

So IMO they are both very rare. Not a lot of teams immediately improve after jettisoning a top coach...but not many coaches spend the better part of a decade with the same team before finally getting over the hump, too. In that regard perhaps there is something to say for the message getting "stale".

Of course if the goal is simply to win a Super Bowl then we are obviously talking about a terribly small sample size of coaches in the first place. But in any case that IS the goal, no? I guess what I am getting at is...how many coaches can we point to who spent a long time with one team in a state of being "almost there but not quite" before finally getting over the hump with the SAME team? I think it is probably a fairly short list....

*You could probably make a case that it didn't really negatively impact Philly that much either. Yes they had to go through the Chip Kelly years, but they won the SB in 2017 with Doug Pederson. Andy didn't make the SB or win it until 2019

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Honestly rather than fire Rich I’d embrace if Matt thinks he has immense value just keep him as the assistant head coach and hire a new ST coach.

Why we made him on top of the teams coach the assistant head coach in 2023 always baffled me.

Be a very expensive assistant but we gotta do somehting

I read somewhere that Bisaccia is being paid $3.2M/year.

I really don't care what the Packers are paying him or what it would cost to get rid of him, if that is what they decide to do. Why? Coaches salaries effect the cap ZERO. What the Packers do with their non-cap money, bothers me as a fan a lot less than cap spendings.

Guessing that Policy could find $3.2M in his or Russ's couch cushions if they wanted to fire Bisaccia.

 

[pacmaniac]

how many coaches can we point to who spent a long time with one team in a state of being "almost there but not quite" before finally getting over the hump with the SAME team? I think it is probably a fairly short list....

I only know of Bill Cowher.

*You could probably make a case that it didn't really negatively impact Philly that much either. Yes they had to go through the Chip Kelly years, but they won the SB in 2017 with Doug Pederson. Andy didn't make the SB or win it until 2019

Yes.

 

[Magooch]

Just for fun I decided to go through and take a look at this.
LaFleur is in year seven with the Packers.

How long were Super Bowl-winning coaches with their team before winning it all?

1st year with team - Kubiak, Gruden, Seifert, McCafferty
2nd year - Arians, Belichick, Pederson, Tomlin, Switzer, Gibbs, Flores
3rd year - Shanahan, Walsh, Shula
4th year - Sirianni, Carroll, Coughlin, Payton, Johnson, Parcells, Ditka
5th year - McVay, Harbaugh, McCarthy, Dungy
6th year - Noll
7th year - Reid (Matt, you are currently here )
8th year - Madden
12th year - Landry
14th year - Cowher

(I am also leaving out Lombardi, Stram, and Ewbank, who all coached for a while before technically winning the *Super Bowl* but won NFL/AFL titles earlier on in their careers)

So, like I said. This is already a pretty exclusive club, not much of a sample size to draw any terribly meaningful conclusions from but from what little data we have we can extrapolate two conclusions:

1. The number of coaches who are with a team for 6+ years with no Super Bowl and go on to win one in year 7 or later is very, very small
2. The coaches who DID go on to win a Super Bowl after 7+ years with the same team...are all generally regarded as all-time greats and HOFers, so...

Make of that what you will

 

[DoURant]

Pugger said:
In Dallas he appeared to be more worried about leaving time on the clock.

This was my biggest complaint, score a TD and it didn't matter how much time was on the clock, game was over.

 

[DoURant]

1. As disappointed as I was with the defense on Sunday, it’s almost impossible to be completely consistent. In any given season, even the top defenses are going to lay an egg or two.



2. Could the defense have played better? Yeah for sure, but Dallas also executed their offense very well.

1. The vaunted 1985 Bears Defense, coming off 2 consecutive shutouts, and only 3 pts the game before those, gave up 38 to the Dolphins... It happens.

2. Yes they did, 2nd time they scored 40 in a game, and they also stayed with the Eagles to the end opening night. Granted they got smoked by Chicago, but Dallas' offense has been one of the best in the NFL to start the season. They are very good in the short passing game, like Detroit. I feel the Parsons factor may have inspired Dallas a little, also.... not just Parsons.

 

[milani]

Anytime. It doesn't seem like we have a bigger advantage in the big freeze anymore. And I sure as hell wish the networks would stop putting our games on at night when it is so cold. I don't know how much difference in temp there is but at night it just appears colder and things more frozen.

Well, I was there over a decade ago in January for the Dez Bryant catch NOT. It was not bitter cold and icy but at 25 degrees the ball is colder and the ground that bounced the ball out of Dez' gloves was rather hard.

 

[milani]

I was looking at one of those Power Rankings lists, and you can't help but see the contrast in that we've beaten two of the top teams, and lost (or tied) to two of the bottom teams. Not that the Cowboys are bad really, but they are in the bottom half of the league. Anyway, the other thing that jumps out at you is the wins were at home, and the other two games were on the road.

And home field can make a big difference even in the regular season.

 

[milani]

With a patchwork OL we shouldn't be aggressive in that situation. Run out the clock and go into the half with a 2 score lead.

At least a 1 score lead.

 

[milani]

Seems we aren't the only ones talking about Bisaccia being on the hotseat.

Was also surprised, but not surprised by this:

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Firing of Packers Coach a 'Hot Topic' After Week 4 Mistakes

Packers special teams have caused significant issues this season, part of a disturbing trend for Green Bay.

heavy.com

So we have not improved at all since the 2021 and 2022 debacles.

 

[gopkrs]

Well, I was there over a decade ago in January for the Dez Bryant catch NOT. It was not bitter cold and icy but at 25 degrees the ball is colder and the ground that bounced the ball out of Dez' gloves was rather hard.

Agreed. No catch

 

[Pugger]

At least a 1 score lead.

Wasn't it 13-2 before the fumble?

 

[Voyageur]

Ok. Here’s my issue with this. Yes, it needs to be cleaned up. It needs to be fixed. Yet here we are, in year 7, and it’s not fixed.

It’s not like this is a brand new issue that just started manifesting itself in the last year. Rodgers was complaining about tempo and clock management in the 2 minute drill 3 years ago. Remember the sight of MLF and Bisaccia staring at each other as they bungled week 18 late against the Bears to finish last season?

So what is the “plan” to fix it? It’s not like it’s been a lack of desire to fix it or a lack of awareness of it. As far as I can tell, it’s the simple fact that Matt Lafleur can’t do what he thinks he can, or his ego won’t let him admit that he can’t: manage the many different details of thought and multitasking required throughout the course of a game — clock management, playcalling, challenges, etc.

As far as I can tell, the only plan to fix it has been to assign the 65 year old special teams coordinator to the assistant HC position, a plan which, to be blunt, has failed spectacularly. Not only does Bisaccia seem incapable of aiding MLF in these decisions in any way, you could legitimately argue that the position has taken away from his attention to detail on special teams, which has consequently suffered greatly.

So again I ask, if the only real “plan” at this point is “we gotta do better”, and we are in our 7th season of not doing better at it, why would anyone have any faith that that is going to change?

Our kicker had to make two tackles during the Cowboys game. That's not something we should be seeing.

 

[rmontro]

And home field can make a big difference even in the regular season.

Really, it seems to be more of a help in the regular season than in the playoffs over the years. At one point we were 9-0 at Lambeau in the playoffs, but those days are gone.

 

[Voyageur]

Going over the videos I've been able to find. Something registered to me as not quite right. Where was the blitz? Why did Hafely figure our 4-man rush minus one of the four guys who make it work absent was going to get home. It created more opportunities for the Cowboys passing game and allowed for the running game to play on the defensive side of the ball instead of in back of the LOS. To compound the problem, when they realized they needed to employ the blitz, why didn't they switch up and use their blitz packages? Does this mean that they didn't prepare Stackhouse for that eventuality because they were overly confident that the 4-man rush would dominate? I can say that it allowed the Cowboys to throw double teams at Parsons on every snap because they didn't have a problem maintaining the 3-on-3 because of the weakness of a newer player like Stackhouse.

To me, this was not a bad mistake, it bordered on the coaching staff being way to smug about what they were bringing to the table. The NFL has ways of humbling coaches and players.

Then there's the issue of Edgerrin Cooper. A lot of missed tackles already this year. Not much to show for his minutes on the field. I haven't gone over it but it's as if they aren't giving him blitz opportunities. The strength of the Packers linebacking corps has been that nobody knew where blitzes were coming from and it's what they employed in game one and 2 but not much with Coop. I have a hunch teams have spotted the tendencies and are designing their blocking schemes to cover it.

 

[adambr2]

Our kicker had to make two tackles during the Cowboys game. That's not something we should be seeing.

I just want to know if I should be getting 1 point for each tackle from my K.

 

[rmontro]

I just want to know if I should be getting 1 point for each tackle from my K.

More likely losing a point for each tackle from the kicker...