Official Packers @ Miami studs and duds

[Carl]

Only because I figured you might still think they were good. Which they aren't.

Winning is great, but that doesn't mean he isn't too conservative. Any coach with Rodgers is going to win most of his games.

They are also 4-2 and .1 point per game behind the Packers... Certainly not a bad team.

We already discussed the conservative part in another thread and you failed to provide examples when I asked so I'm not getting into that again.

 

[Oski]

i provided multiple examples. You just have your mind made up.

 

[Carl]

i provided multiple examples. You just have your mind made up.

When asked for examples of not going for it on 4th down, you gave me yesterday from the 49....It was 4th and 19...

 

[Oski]

When asked for examples of not going for it on 4th down, you gave me yesterday from the 49....It was 4th and 19...

I guess you missed the part where I showed they ranked 22nd in 4th down attempts. With 3 in 6 games. One of which was an end of game attempt where they were forced to go for it or lose. But I guess you consider that really aggressive.

 

[Carl]

I guess you missed the part where I showed they ranked 22nd in 4th down attempts. With 3 in 6 games. One of which was an end of game attempt where they were forced to go for it or lose. But I guess you consider that really aggressive.

Would it bet better to be 2 for 9 like Miami?

Clearly, they attempt more than they should or are down often.

I asked for examples of when they should have gone for it and you cannot provide that.

They had games, like the Bears and Vikings games, where there were zero opportunities to go for it when it made sense.

You're picking one stat and claiming it overrules all the evidence I gave that show aggression this season.

 

[Oski]

Would it bet better to be 2 for 9 like Miami?

Clearly, they attempt more than they should or are down often.

I asked for examples of when they should have gone for it and you cannot provide that.

They had games, like the Bears and Vikings games, where there were zero opportunities to go for it when it made sense.

You're picking one stat and claiming it overrules all the evidence I gave that show aggression this season.

Zero opportunities my ****.

What evidence you showed?

 

[Carl]

Zero opportunities my ****.

What evidence you showed?

I said this already. "I can think of many examples of not being conservative during recent weeks. Went for it on 4th and 1 yesterday. Throwing on 3 and 1 to Adams for a TD against the Vikings. Throwing the ball on 3rd down instead of running to pick up the first against the Jets and seal the game. Trusting the defense yesterday by not going for it was actually very aggressive. He was going for two scores and the win instead of one and a tie. Consistently, they throw deeper than needed to pick up a first on third down and score or pick up big yardage: two TDs vs. the Bears doing that."

We disagree on the FG, I know, but those are plenty of examples off the top of my head from recent weeks.

I'll ask again. What were the opportunities? In two blowout games, when should they have gone for it?

If McCarthy doesn't go for it so often, then where are your example of that?

You have no idea how to back up an opinion with solid evidence.

 

[Oski]

http://thebiglead.com/2013/11/25/mi...or-the-touchdown-on-4th-and-goal-in-overtime/

 

[Oski]

http://fansided.com/2013/12/30/green-bay-packers-players-talked-mike-mccarthy-going-fourth-1-play/

 

[Oski]

http://m.cheeseheadtv.com/blog/mike-mccarthy-coaching-scared-against-seahawks-does-offense-no-favors

But I guess it's all my imagination

 

[Carl]

http://m.cheeseheadtv.com/blog/mike-mccarthy-coaching-scared-against-seahawks-does-offense-no-favors

But I guess it's all my imagination

It only took me asking like 8 times to get specific examples. For future reference, to make your opinion stronger on the forum and to not **** people off, just give evidence right away.

 

[Oski]

It only took me asking like 8 times to get specific examples. For future reference, to make your opinion stronger on the forum and to not **** people off, just give evidence right away.

For future reference, you come across as a condescending *********.

 

[Oski]

Also, for future reference. You don't get to decide how people argue. Unless I missed moderator from your title.

 

[Carl]

Also, for future reference. You don't get to decide how people argue. Unless I missed moderator from your title.

I've already explained that providing an opinion without support isn't strong...

If you want people to agree with you, support is needed.

 

[Oski]

I've already explained that providing an opinion without support isn't strong...

If you want people to agree with you, support is needed.

I gave ample supporting evidence. The fact it wasn't to your liking is not really relevant to me. Unless you think that all arguments aren't valid unless Carl says so.

 

[Carl]

I gave ample supporting evidence. The fact it wasn't to your liking is not really relevant to me. Unless you think that all arguments aren't valid unless Carl says so.

I'm aware you did and acknowledged that like 2 posts ago. It just took you a very long time.

 

[Oski]

I'm aware you did and acknowledged that like 2 posts ago. It just took you a very long time.

No it took a long time for me to post something to your liking. Either way this is stupid.

 

[RandyM]

Studs Cobb, Rodgers, Lang, Jordy Hyde

Duds: Brad Jones

 

[Einstein McFly]

I haven't read the whole thread, but Nick Perry has been playing pretty well lately. If he keeps it up some people are going to have to find something else to complain about.

 

[longtimefan]

Miami gives up an average 0f 25 points a game. 27 points isn't solid, it's average.

isnt it above average?

 

[mradtke66]

You don't get to decide how people argue. Unless I missed moderator from your title.

To be fair, he's not--he's just reminding you of the Philosophic Burden of Proof.

You are the one making the positive claim (McCarthy is a conservative coach,) thus it is up to you to provide the evidence to support your claim.

 

[JBlood]

Maybe I'm not fully understanding it but my knee jerk reaction from looking at the graph is: Well, duuuuh! Thank you Captain Obvious!

I thought the percentages were interesting. Advanced Football Analytics has a 4th down calculator (http://www.advancedfootballanalytics.com/index.php/home/tools/4th-down-calculator) If you fill in the blanks, the probability of winning the game down 10 with 4 minutes to go was .07 if they made the 4th down; .06 if they made the field goal. Pretty much a loss either way, which makes The Drive even more impressive.

 

[PikeBadger]

I haven't read the whole thread, but Nick Perry has been playing pretty well lately. If he keeps it up some people are going to have to find something else to complain about.

Trust me. That will not be a problem.
We've still got Bush, Jones,Kuhn and the missing TE's on the roster and if all of them have the unmitigated gall to play well, there's always Hawk and Guion that are a couple bad plays away from becoming the punching bag of the week. (Tic)

 

[Carl]

Trust me. That will not be a problem.
We've still got Bush, Jones,Kuhn and the missing TE's on the roster and if all of them have the unmitigated gall to play well, there's always Hawk and Guion that are a couple bad plays away from becoming the punching bag of the week. (Tic)

There's always play calling to complain about as well, even if it works.

 

[JBlood]

I thought the percentages were interesting. Advanced Football Analytics has a 4th down calculator (http://www.advancedfootballanalytics.com/index.php/home/tools/4th-down-calculator) If you fill in the blanks, the probability of winning the game down 10 with 4 minutes to go was .07 if they made the 4th down; .06 if they made the field goal. Pretty much a loss either way, which makes The Drive even more impressive.

error: we were down 7. Making the 4th down conversion gave us a .15 chance of winning: making the field goal gave us a .22 chance of winning. Same conclusion. But MM made the right decision.