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Minnesota Sinks To 0-4

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Bogart, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. LionsFan

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    I dont even think the vikings take Luck if they get #1. With the new rookie cap, I wouldnt be surpised to see alot of trade scenarios from all sorts of teams since a #1 pick doesnt break the bank anymore.
     
  2. Kitten

    Kitten Feline Cheesehead Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Hmmmm... Here's another theory on the Vikings getting Luck. I brought this up in another thread. Is it possible the Vikings may tank their season just to get that #1 pick, Luck? I know it seems farfetched, but hear me out. The whole team would most certainly have to be in it or in the least be made aware of it. They would pitch it as being for the greater good of the team. They'd have to keep it all on the low, can you imagine the league imposing fines and penalties on them if somebody leaked? I'm saying this because I wouldn't put it past a team to try and pull this. The Vikings are 0-4. Their losses have not been by much, 4.5 I believe somebody said so at least they are making it convincing.

    I'm not one for conspiracy theories but I've seen worse and I honesty have to wonder about this. There are teams stupid enough to risk it.
     
  3. Raptorman

    Raptorman Vikings fan since 1966.

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    Well right now its the between the Dolphins, Vikings, Colts and Rams. I don't see the Rams picking him and I don't see them being down all year. It really matter which teams QB starts to play better. Painter had a pretty good game tonight. McNabb is getting better? Of the 4 teams the Vikings are losing by the least. If that counts for anything.
     
  4. ivo610

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    Im sorry, do you resent me because my team has drafted 1 franchise QB pretty much my entire life? I mean we have been so set at QB we even cut a future HOF QB.

    Actually what would my team affiliation have to do with me judging QBs? If anything I know what a HOF QB looks like. Do you?

    On top of that I ventured out to Palo Alto to see Mr. Luck in person, so I can tell you with first hand knowledge that he is the real deal. :)
     
  5. Raptorman

    Raptorman Vikings fan since 1966.

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    Not resenting you personally. Making a comment on the fact that while the Packers have had two good QB's in a row they criticze other teams for not drafting franchise QB's over the last 15 years. Many seem to forget that the Packers of the past didn't do a very good job of drafting QB's themselves. Sorry if you took it personally, that's why I used the term "fans" with a s. Meaning "Packer fans", in general. While they did draft some good QB's that went to other teams none would be considered top tier like Rodgers and what's his name.
     
  6. ivo610

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    Minnesota hasnt had a bad enough season in a long long time to get a top pick I dont think to draft a great QB coming out of college. Picks like Brady I dont count as no one knew.

    Who knows, maybe you will end up with matt flynn though.
     
  7. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I am not saying Rodgers didnt have a hand in winning, we all know he did....The statement I replied to was, that we needed Rodgers to win the championship...

    I simply pointed out that the D for at least 2 games in the playoffs, we needed them to make a stop and they did...

    Jennings even mentioned it on the sidelines on sound fx....I love our defesne to death but we cant depend on them like this every week is basically what he said...

    In the playoffs, Rodgers never had to get in fg range or get a td...
     
  8. Future

    Future He did WHAT?

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    You would never be able to get 53 guys to throw a season. Too much professional and personal pride to do that. What about Christian Ponder? Think he'll go along with that?

    This kind of nonsense happens in the NBA, not the NFL.
     
  9. Kitten

    Kitten Feline Cheesehead Staff Member Super Moderator

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    It was a long shot even for a conspiracy theory. I don't think even 53 Vikings would do it plus you'd have to always worry about somebody leaking and repercussions from the NFL. I think some teams would consider it but considering it is a long way from executing it. It would be a hell of a thing if somebody actually pulled it off.
     
  10. LionsFan

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    Sure, maybe if a team was one loss away from locking a #1, why not, no one would have to be in on it but a few people. But you dont draft a QB in the first round, then bring in a veteran QB with the plan to get #1 the next season.

    You would draft a compliment in the first for your plotted #1 pick and start Joe Webb.
     
  11. Bogart

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    On Pro Football Talk, it's been in discussion of McNabb being a future Hall of Famer, and one article compared him to Jim Kelly.

    McNabb is a good QB, but if Randall Cunnigham isn't in the Hall of Fame, I don't think McNabb should be.

    I wouldn't compare him to Kelly. The Bills were loaded back then, and they should have beat the Giants by that missed field goal. That's one game he didn't blow. Jim Kelly lost the big game 4 times, but I don't think it was all his fault, yet it's real easy to put the blame on one person. They were one missed field goal away from world champions in 1990, but their real problem was never changing their offensive game plans, by the time you make it to the Super Bowl running the same offense all year long, Dallas and Washington were just waiting for it.. That's why it was so easy to lose the next 3. I would say Thurman Thomas' fumble in the 4th Super Bowl was a big momentum change, and lead to them getting their asses kicked.

    McNabb lost many NFC Championship games, but I think where it hurts him was the Super Bowl. He had a career season and no one expected him to go into that game and force the ball around to get picked off 3 times, when he only had 8 interceptions during the season. The Eagles out played the Patriots and could have won that game without turning the ball over.
     
  12. Future

    Future He did WHAT?

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    To me, McNabb is one of those "hall of very good" type guys. I don't know that McNabb was ever elite but he was a top 7 QB for a good 7 or 8 years. Watching him recently, it's hard to remember him ever being that good.
     
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  13. Kitten

    Kitten Feline Cheesehead Staff Member Super Moderator

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    McNabb is one of my favorite QBs but even I wouldn't call him elite. He hit his peak in the early to mid 2000's but I don't think he every touched the realm of elite. He was great for sure, perhaps one of the best the Eagles ever had, but sadly not elite.
     
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  14. Future

    Future He did WHAT?

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    Also, 4th and 26 will haunt me til the day I die.
     
  15. PackPackPackers

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    This team is a disaster. 'Nuff said.
     
  16. Forget Favre

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    Well, it's that time of year again.
    Time to contact the Vikings janitor to go over and dust off the Vikings Super Bowl trophies.
    What's that?
    The trophy case is empty?!
    Time to get Scooby Doo and the gang on the case!
    Wait.
    Put down the phone.
    There were never any Super Bowl trophies to begin with?
    So it wasn't a bunch of meddling kids wearing Packers jerseys after all?
    Whew! That's a relief!
     
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  17. Wood Chipper

    Wood Chipper Fantasy Football Guru

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    No that is Cam Newton and Asomugha
     
  18. Wood Chipper

    Wood Chipper Fantasy Football Guru

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    No that is Cam Newton and Asomugha
     
  19. greenandgold

    greenandgold I'm Dirty Hairy Callahan

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    I wish they lost every game this year.....except when they play Da Bears!
     
  20. Raptorman

    Raptorman Vikings fan since 1966.

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    Funny thing, I was at the Packer HOF this summer and I only saw 4 trophies. The Packers claim 13 Championships but I saw only 4 trophies. Why is that?
     
  21. ivo610

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    Only a viking fan would ask why they only have 4 Lombardi trophies.
     
  22. Raptorman

    Raptorman Vikings fan since 1966.

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    What about the other 9 trophies? Were are those? :)
     
  23. Jules

    Jules The Colts Fan

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    My Colts need him if some of the rumors I have heard of Manning are true. He may come back next year but even Dungy has implied he has a feeling Peyton may only be a go for another season. There are mixed reactions out there on Peyton and nobody knows the whole truth. The truth is it sounds pretty bad. Even if he can come back he may never be the same or even if he is the same he always has the risk of serious injury/damage.

    I am kind of on the Luck bandwagon but I also want a new head coach in town. I will be greedy and say I would like to clean house a bit. I hope Peyton can come back and he would be a great mentor to Luck for a while. Peyton is already mentoring our offense and helping out Painter and things have improved a bit.
     
  24. ivo610

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    I dont think he will ever be back.
     
  25. Jules

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    If that ends up being the case (and it's possible based on rumors) then we REALLY need Luck.
     

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