Mike McCarthy Getting Unfairly Blamed For Injuries, Bad Kicking And Team Youth

[Deleted member 6794]

What?! Where the heck did I say that?! I was just saying that I trust them to tell me if a guy is playing well.

Aaron Jones, for the season, has been a higher rated RB than the others on the team. I don't look at one game (in which a guy got 19 snaps) and make broad judgments based on that.

I don't know what I said that offended you so much but I sincerely apologize for whatever it was.

I'm sorry, it seems I misunderstood your previous post as I thought you discarded PFF's grade of Jones in the Niners game because it wouldn't fit your narrative. You're right that one game in which he only played 19 snaps doesn't make for a fair evaluation.

Or you could motion the RB into an outside WR position, forcing the defense to show Rodgers what kind of coverage they're playing and he could make a quick throw to beat the blitz.

The Packers tried that once with Jones against the Niners and he dropped the ball. With some bad luck that play could have resulted in a pick six.

A well designed offense will do things to play to a player's strengths. If you're concerned about Jones pass blocking, then don't have him pass block!

The Packers are exactly doing that, not having Jones on the field on passing plays. That's even more reasonable as he has troubles catching the ball.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I'm sorry, it seems I misunderstood your previous post as I thought you discarded PFF's grade of Jones in the Niners game because it wouldn't fit your narrative. You're right that one game in which he only played 19 snaps doesn't make for a fair evaluation.


The Packers tried that once with Jones against the Niners and he dropped the ball. With some bad luck that play could have resulted in a pick six.


The Packers are exactly doing that, not having Jones on the field on passing plays. That's even more reasonable as he has troubles catching the ball.

I'm not sitting here claiming Jones is perfect or that he should be on the field for 80% of the snaps. However, it would be easy (smart too) to have Jones on the field for 30 snaps a game and then let Ty and Williams split the other 40. At that rate you might occasionally have Jones pass block twice a game and you'd also have a much more dynamic player on the field; something the Packers really need on offense right now.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I do think we gotta work more of the 2-minute offense in on regular drives with intermediate to deep throws with draw plays mixed in to start keeping defenses off guard. Even more so because I don't think prolonged offensive drives do our own defense any good.

 

[gopkrs]

I think Jones will prove to be a good pass catcher. There has not been enough tries to write that off.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

No more calling for Urban Meyer to replace McCarthy. No more of that garbage. Switching the channel between the Brewers and the football game and that Ohio State offense is an abomination out there.

Man what a garbage coach Meyer is. He must not be allowed in Green Bay with a shot at ruining Rodgers.

 

[Mondio]

Who called on him in the first place?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

A lot of fans did who think he's another one of those so-called offensive innovators. No sir.

I think Urban Meyer should call up McCarthy and ask for some pointers, because his putrid offense looks like it needs them.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm not sitting here claiming Jones is perfect or that he should be on the field for 80% of the snaps. However, it would be easy (smart too) to have Jones on the field for 30 snaps a game and then let Ty and Williams split the other 40. At that rate you might occasionally have Jones pass block twice a game and you'd also have a much more dynamic player on the field; something the Packers really need on offense right now.

I agree that Jones should definitely receive the majority of the snaps and rushing attempts out of the three running backs. There's a role for Williams and Montgomery as well though.

I do think we gotta work more of the 2-minute offense in on regular drives with intermediate to deep throws with draw plays mixed in to start keeping defenses off guard. Even more so because I don't think prolonged offensive drives do our own defense any good.

The defense absolutely benefits from the offense having prolonged drives as it keeps them off the field.

I think Jones will prove to be a good pass catcher. There has not been enough tries to write that off.

It's possible Jones improves in that area but his current catch rate of 54.2% on 24 career targets is abysmal.

A lot of fans did who think he's another one of those so-called offensive innovators. No sir.

I think Urban Meyer should call up McCarthy and ask for some pointers, because his putrid offense looks like it needs them.

I haven't seen a single poster suggesting Meyer should replace McCarthy.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

The defense absolutely benefits from the offense having prolonged drives as it keeps them off the field.

I haven't seen a single poster suggesting Meyer should replace McCarthy.

Theoretically it should, but watching our guys, I really don't see much difference in their play whether the offense is getting long drives or quick strikes.

And while posters don't go starting whole threads on Meyer, I definitely have seen his name among the list of faux replacement candidates.

 

[n4t]

My lord. No running back on the roster is gonna save this team. The team is not built to run the ball. We have ONE plus run blocker among our specialists, and our Oline is built to pass protect. No fullback, or anyone capable of playing the position. Given we're an outdoor, Midwest team - you might think that is a bad idea. I do.

You guys really think any team gives a crap about our RUN game? Easy to get nice YPC numbers against a 6-man box. Everyone who matters knows we can't run it when it counts. Check the red-zone and short yardage stats and educate yourself.

This team isn't going to do anything this year. Keep deluding yourselves if you like. I can still enjoy watching the games, but anyone who thinks we're a player or a play call away is gonna have a really hard time keeping up with all their gripe posts. Make sure you take breaks to avoid carpal tunnel. Hydrate between beers.

I wonder if we can win another Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers. History and my gut says no. He is a massively unbalancing force on the team, and can't be controlled by any coach. The stalling of the offense is all Rodgers, passing up open looks to try for a big play. Is he a coach-killer now?

The difference between Rodgers and Brady is that Brady plays within a system. That's why Brady is successful, and by and large Rodgers is not.

I don't think firing MM makes a difference. And we don't have a replacement for Rodgers like the 9'ers did for Montana. Probably our only hope is a couple MAJOR personnel additions to dilute Rodgers influence on the team. Kahlil Mack was an unfortunate missed opportunity for that. And those opportunities just don't come around that often.

TLDR: The Packers are trending downwards, and there simply isn't an easy fix.

Now let's queue up the absolute mouth-breathers talking about how they won't give up or settle, as if anything about them means anything to anyone or matters in any way to the outcome of an NFL game. I always love those posts. Hey, I love the Packers and it sucks that they are not good. Oh well. I'll put my rantbox away and you guys can pick apart my post if you like. Give you something to do for the bye week.

 

[Zeker40]

I think the problem is the talent that Mac has been given. My football friends and I (who've all played in either high school or college) call this period the "Thompson Hangover Effect". Thompson was checked out the last few years of drafts in GB and he straight up sucked in the draft. Clay Matthews should've been traded 4-5 years ago when we still could've gotten a 1st or 2nd for him but to no avail. Better drafts then on offensive and defensive lines wouldve made everyone look better today. Gutey will make things better but couldnt possibly fix today. THat will take time and hopefully enough for Rodgers to do something with.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Theoretically it should, but watching our guys, I really don't see much difference in their play whether the offense is getting long drives or quick strikes.

And while posters don't go starting whole threads on Meyer, I definitely have seen his name among the list of faux replacement candidates.

While you might be right that the Packers defense hasn't played any better after long drives by the offense it should be pretty obvious the team benefits from Pettine's unit not being on the field.

BTW using the search tool to figure it out there hasn't been a single post suggesting Meyer should replace McCarthy since the start of this season.

Everyone who matters knows we can't run it when it counts. Check the red-zone and short yardage stats and educate yourself.

I wonder if we can win another Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers. History and my gut says no. He is a massively unbalancing force on the team, and can't be controlled by any coach. The stalling of the offense is all Rodgers, passing up open looks to try for a big play. Is he a coach-killer now?

I don't think firing MM makes a difference. And we don't have a replacement for Rodgers like the 9'ers did for Montana. Probably our only hope is a couple MAJOR personnel additions to dilute Rodgers influence on the team.

The Packers (68.8%, 17th) are league average in first down percentage on short yardage runs as well as fourth in yards per attempt (3.41) in the red zone. You might want to educate yourself.

Your take on Rodgers is one of the most stupid posts I've seen in a while. You're still bitter he replaced Favre more than 10 years ago???

 

[swhitset]

While you might be right that the Packers defense hasn't played any better after long drives by the offense it should be pretty obvious the team benefits from Pettine's unit not being on the field.

BTW using the search tool to figure it out there hasn't been a single post suggesting Meyer should replace McCarthy since the start of this season.



The Packers (68.8%, 17th) are league average in first down percentage on short yardage runs as well as fourth in yards per attempt (3.41) in the red zone. You might want to educate yourself.

Your take on Rodgers is one of the most stupid posts I've seen in a while. You're still bitter he replaced Favre more than 10 years ago???

I don’t think his take on Rodgers is stupid at all. I try to look at statements objectively without taking into account a poster’s past proclivities. I’m not nearly as critical of Rodgers as this, but I do think it has some merit.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I don’t think his take on Rodgers is stupid at all. I try to look at statements objectively without taking into account a poster’s past proclivities. I’m not nearly as critical of Rodgers as this, but I do think it has some merit.

It's one thing to give Rodgers some share of the blame if he takes unneeded sacks or tries to push the ball downfield a little too much. Now I don't think all our offensive problems that happened in the first 6 weeks are that simple, but sure, I'll admit Rodgers did screw up sometimes.

But to make the claim he's an unbalancing force when Cobb and Allison are out and working with two young rookies who are still learning route running is insane. And a coach killer? Really? I mean come on, he's not Jay Cutler who actually did get several OCs and three head coaches fired.

 

[swhitset]

It's one thing to give Rodgers some share of the blame if he takes unneeded sacks or tries to push the ball downfield a little too much. Now I don't think all our offensive problems that happened in the first 6 weeks are that simple, but sure, I'll admit Rodgers did screw up sometimes.

But to make the claim he's an unbalancing force when Cobb and Allison are out and working with two young rookies who are still learning route running is insane. And a coach killer? Really? I mean come on, he's not Jay Cutler who actually did get several OCs and three head coaches fired.

As I said... I’m not as critical of Rodgers as that lol.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Speaking of injuries and MM....doesn't appear that MM is in any hurry to get Kumerow or Davis on the field. Is he saving those 2 spots for House and/or Murphy or someone who gets injured in the next game or 2?

Mike McCarthy said he doesn't anticipate Jake Kumerow or Trevor Davis to return to practice this week. Both are in injured reserve and are now eligible to open their window to practice. Once an IR player returns to practice, that counts as one of the two IR-designated to return spots.

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[PackerfaninCarolina]

I definitely don't think this team has missed Trevor Davis in the least

 

[Poppa San]

I definitely don't think this team has missed Trevor Davis in the least

If by Trevor Davis you meant Jake Kumerow I agree. Davis would be a more exciting (note I did not say better) punt returner than Tramon. He was also turning into a decent gunner. Maybe could keep Brown and his daily boneheaded penalty off the field. Might be they expect Cobb to resume those duties which is why they are waiting.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Let's not forget that the reason the Packers even have Kumerow is because two other NFL teams let him go because of his issues staying healthy. I can remember listening to a podcast where they talked about how, in practice, the Bengals' corners thought Kumerow was great because of his route running; he just couldn't stay healthy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As long as Allison and Cobb are good to go, I don't see the need to bring either Kumerow or Davis off of IR. The rookie WR's seemed to be coming along nicely and when healthy, Allison has been good. However, its not like there is someone currently sitting on IR, that will be ready to go, that the Packers absolutely need. Wilkerson or Ryan are about the only 2 guys I wish we could get back and that isn't happening. At this point I would be tempted to at least bring Kumerow back, just in case of what seems to happen a lot with the Packers, a WR or 2 get injured.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

If by Trevor Davis you meant Jake Kumerow I agree. Davis would be a more exciting (note I did not say better) punt returner than Tramon. He was also turning into a decent gunner. Maybe could keep Brown and his daily boneheaded penalty off the field. Might be they expect Cobb to resume those duties which is why they are waiting.

That's the problem though, Davis is just another Jeff Janis, an ok special teams contributor (when he doesn't run head on into the hit), but nothing as a wide receiver. McCarthy never keeps return men long if they don't contribute anything to offense or defense.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Speaking of injuries and MM....doesn't appear that MM is in any hurry to get Kumerow or Davis on the field. Is he saving those 2 spots for House and/or Murphy or someone who gets injured in the next game or 2?

Mike McCarthy said he doesn't anticipate Jake Kumerow or Trevor Davis to return to practice this week. Both are in injured reserve and are now eligible to open their window to practice. Once an IR player returns to practice, that counts as one of the two IR-designated to return spots.

I guess the Packers are taking a wait and see approach with activating players from injured reserve. You have to consider that the team is able to use one of those exemptions during the playoffs as well.

At this point I would be tempted to at least bring Kumerow back, just in case of what seems to happen a lot with the Packers, a WR or 2 get injured.

The Packers could immediately activate Kumerow if injuries hit at wide receiver.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I guess the Packers are taking a wait and see approach with activating players from injured reserve. You have to consider that the team is able to use one of those exemptions during the playoffs as well.

The Packers could immediately activate Kumerow if injuries hit at wide receiver.

Correct, once the player has been on IR for 8 weeks, they can bring him back, but will said player be ready to play, since until they bring them back, they can't practice with the team. At some point, week.....10 or 11 in the season, you might as well bring a player like Kumerow back if you have a roster spot, because anyone placed on the IR after that point is probably done for the season. Maybe save the last spot for that "star player you want for the Super Bowl".

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Correct, once the player has been on IR for 8 weeks, they can bring him back, but will said player be ready to play, since until they bring them back, they can't practice with the team.

True, an activated player could practice at least during the week before a game though.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Montgomery has been an above average pass blocker for most of his career.

Please, take a look at his 14-yard run that started the game winning drive. He deserves to get carries moving forward solely based pn that run.

I want To Montgomery kicked off of this roster NOW!!!!

Not only did he get Rodgers sacked on a key 3rd down, how stupid do you have to be to go running a kick out from 5 yards deep at a critical juncture.

Man, Ty has caught the Hundley cancer and committed a dumb thing worse than Bostick.

Ban him from the backfield.