Fire Matt LaFleur

[rmontro]

I would've liked to see Buffalo get there too. Definitely see your analysis of the speed of the two QB's.... however, Allen also had 4 turnovers ( 2 Int's, 2 fumbles), and they lost in OT.

The Broncos were ripping that football out like crazy. Reminded me of the way the Bears play. Not sure how Denver gets such good defenses. The Super Bowl they won with Peyton Manning, he hardly had to contribute.

 

[pacmaniac]

Hi rmontro. Nothing changes if nothing changes. I didn't support whacking MLF, but did expect org changes so MLF reports to Gluten, and some coaching changes so MLF gets some much needed help with clock management, and a new voice at OC with some new ideas. MLF's play calling has gone stale.

Some of that may still happen. But my takeaway is it's business as usual at 1265. That's disappointing.

Yeah, I'm not hearing anything that would indicate any changes will be made. I would have thought Ed Policy would want to blaze his own path, but so far, it's looking like he wants to be an exact copy of Mark Murphy.

 

[OldSchool101]

That surprises me. Not that Aaron is in there, but that no one else has done it.

I know that’s always impressed me that Aaron is top 10 career at both. I will point out that other QB’s have been there, most recently John Elway was on the top 10 rushing top 10 passing list. Rodgers knocked him down and Josh Allen and Lamar continue to climb into the top in rushing list and while they don’t qualify for both yet, their running prowess pushed others down the ladder.

 

[milani]

Yeah, I'm not hearing anything that would indicate any changes will be made. I would have thought Ed Policy would want to blaze his own path, but so far, it's looking like he wants to be an exact copy of Mark Murphy.

The team will use the players they have, add a few, get rid of a few, and try to heal up. They will run the same plays on offense, and probably play softer on D. Special teams will be the same. Musical chairs for a return man. Kicker will be up for grabs. Whelan is the bright spot. Focus will be holding on to the football on returns and fair catches. But the same holding on the return will be regular.

 

[Pkrjones]

The team will use the players they have, add a few, get rid of a few, and try to heal up. They will run the same plays on offense, and probably play softer on D. Special teams will be the same. Musical chairs for a return man. Kicker will be up for grabs. Whelan is the bright spot. Focus will be holding on to the football on returns and fair catches. But the same holding on the return will be regular.

Thanks for the optimism. So what you're saying is 6-11, #4 in the North?

 

[rmontro]

Thanks for the optimism. So what you're saying is 6-11, #4 in the North?

Maybe we need to fall on some hard times before we make some changes and bounce back.

 

[AKCheese]

Thanks for the optimism. So what you're saying is 6-11, #4 in the North?

I would definitely wager on the over if given the opportunity

 

[NC_Cheese_Fan_100]

Yeah, I'm not hearing anything that would indicate any changes will be made. I would have thought Ed Policy would want to blaze his own path, but so far, it's looking like he wants to be an exact copy of Mark Murphy.

If Policy runs the Packers until he's 70 he's got 15 years to make his mark. I was hoping for some sort of change (Gute), but it doesn't surprise me that nothing is changing.

This current iteration of the Packers has a Window of 3 years before Love gets an enormous new contract and they have to decide what to do with Parsons. We'll have to wait and see what the terms are for MLF and Gute, but give them 3 years to try and finish what they started and if they can't produce a successful playoff run start rebuilding in 2029 with a new GM and HC.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm bracing myself for 3 years of mediocrity and, if we're lucky, first round playoff losses. I don't think Gute knows how to build a complete team and MLF doesn't know how to coach a complete game.

 

[OldSchool101]

Thanks for the optimism. So what you're saying is 6-11, #4 in the North?

While I’m not loving our schedule,
I think it’s very possible GB finishes strong next season. So, the key will be staying at or around .500 through the first 6-7 weeks or so. The Bears really don’t scare me to be honest. I mean they needed an OT game and historical comeback just to beat us late in the 4th Quarter. Impressive that they won but not really what I’d label a dominating performance at home. Damn near lost those games

Financially, We’re basically net net to slight positive after moving on from Elgton Jenkins deal. Which basically means we’ll have a little room to work with as far as signing some lower priced incumbent FA’s. We should see the restructures coming soon and I’m really hoping Gary is one of them.

I do think it’s possible to move a modest amount of Hits into the future without it getting ugly. I recall from last year that we evened up a little better cap wise going forward after 2026. I still think we’ll dump some dead weight and grab an outside FA on a more affordable deal. Such as a 3yr/$35Mil type offer. I’m really hoping it’s in the trenches at OL. We can’t continue our status quo at OL. Josh Jacobs is getting absolutely robbed of what could’ve been another Probowl level season by playing musical chairs across our OL.

We can keep most of this Roster intact. I could see a world where Quay is gone. Good Run stopper but he’s a guy we can get near similar production but for a fraction of his market value. The health of Colin Oliver is paramount and we can’t continue on our path of little to zero player growth.

 

[milani]

Thanks for the optimism. So what you're saying is 6-11, #4 in the North?

More like 7-10.

 

[shockerx]

Watching these games this weekend, we can play and beat any of them, maybe outside of Seattle at their place. We need to stay healthy and just stay out of our own way. lets get better on both lines and beat people up.

 

[OldSchool101]

Watching these games this weekend, we can play and beat any of them, maybe outside of Seattle at their place. We need to stay healthy and just stay out of our own way. let’s get better on both lines and beat people up.

I agree. We really were our own worst enemy.

I still feel like the way we lost was as important as the how we won. We were often a couple of bumbles away. The fact we tripped into the Postseason all nicked up said much. I’m not sure how many teams can afford to lose 4 games in a row and just rest players on the 5th game because it has no impact on their playoff seeding.

If GB gets a few players back off injury and upgrades 2-3 positions they could be very formidable. This will take some mastery from Gute and we also need a couple previous draft picks back and a couple more players to finally rise onto the stage. Last year players seemed to mostly go backwards or remain stagnant.
Banks, Dobbs, Cooper, Wicks, Elgton, Rasheed, Luke, Belton.

We also have an entire injury list that barely played.
Oliver, John Williams, Lloyd

Then a injury list that played but was on and off or season injured missing significant snaps
Parsons, Tom, Kraft, Hobbs

 

[milani]

While I’m not loving our schedule,
I think it’s very possible GB finishes strong next season. So, the key will be staying at or around .500 through the first 6-7 weeks or so. The Bears really don’t scare me to be honest. I mean they needed an OT game and historical comeback just to beat us late in the 4th Quarter. Impressive that they won but not really what I’d label a dominating performance at home. Damn near lost those games

Financially, We’re basically net net to slight positive after moving on from Elgton Jenkins deal. Which basically means we’ll have a little room to work with as far as signing some lower priced incumbent FA’s. We should see the restructures coming soon and I’m really hoping Gary is one of them.

I do think it’s possible to move a modest amount of Hits into the future without it getting ugly. I recall from last year that we evened up a little better cap wise going forward after 2026. I still think we’ll dump some dead weight and grab an outside FA on a more affordable deal. Such as a 3yr/$35Mil type offer. I’m really hoping it’s in the trenches at OL. We can’t continue our status quo at OL. Josh Jacobs is getting absolutely robbed of what could’ve been another Probowl level season by playing musical chairs across our OL.

We can keep most of this Roster intact. I could see a world where Quay is gone. Good Run stopper but he’s a guy we can get near similar production but for a fraction of his market value. The health of Colin Oliver is paramount and we can’t continue on our path of little to zero player growth.

It can be difficult to get even the #7. You saw one division with 3 strong teams. And then two divisions with weak teams. But division winners do not necessarily have to win 12 or 13 games. So we could win ten games and not make it if Detroit or Minnesota steps up, the Bears repeat, and the Rams and 9ers win 11 or 12 again. What we need is a division like the NFC South.

 

[shockerx]

I think the Packer players see these games and know they are as good as any anybody. I think their **** is gonna be hot next year, they will be ready. Also Love has had best outing of all the QBs thus far in the the playoffs, its time to just let the kid play.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Watching these games this weekend, we can play and beat any of them, maybe outside of Seattle at their place. We need to stay healthy and just stay out of our own way. lets get better on both lines and beat people up.

I have complete confidence our team can beat any of those 8 teams.

I have no confidence whatsoever that our coach can beat any of those 8 coaches.

 

[milani]

I have complete confidence our team can beat any of those 8 teams.

I have no confidence whatsoever that our coach can beat any of those 8 coaches.

Good deduction.

 

[scooter_1954]

I have complete confidence our team can beat any of those 8 teams.

I have no confidence whatsoever that our coach can beat any of those 8 coaches.

Well, you are in good company. Watched the Rams tonight, and thought, what could we do with McVey as our coach?

 

[rmontro]

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm bracing myself for 3 years of mediocrity and, if we're lucky, first round playoff losses. I don't think Gute knows how to build a complete team and MLF doesn't know how to coach a complete game.

Or coach a complete season.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Ironic, that my wife just had surgery this week for a broken ankle injury she suffered in a car accident. Nix is scheduled for his surgery Tuesday.

Hope your wife is well and recovers quickly milani.

 

[Heyjoe4]

The Packers are the guy at your office that has worked there 20 years even though it’s not that great but it pays the bills and will work there another 20 years, constantly being passed on for promotions that he believes he was in line for, until retirement rather than ever chasing anything bigger.

Good analogy Adam, thanks. Maybe there is more to it, but Policy has essentially kept everything as it was. MLF is still the HC, and MLF, Gluten, and Ball all report to Policy. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. And same inefficient org structure. Lawyers gonna lawyer.

There may be more to this story. Maintaining the status quo should not have taken almost a week to accomplish.

Specifically, MLF needs help if he wants to be successful calling plays for the offense, and at the same time being aware of what is happening on and off the field during the game. That's the job of a HC. MLF acts mostly like an OC with a HC title. His creativity and overall grasp of the team and opponent have declined in the last few years.

And as for replacing Hafley, I'd be much more comfortable if that were Gluten's job. MLF has a tendency to hire friends and stick with them too long - see Joe Barry, Bisaccia, and Hock-whateverhisnameis, the old OC.

 

[adambr2]

Bills just fired Sean McDermott, making Matt Lafleur the longest tenured current head coach in the NFL to never make it to the Super Bowl.

Too bad he didn’t work for Ed Policy, he’d have gotten a big raise and contract extension instead.

 

[rmontro]

I was watching a podcast last night and it pointed out something I didn't realize. We all know LaFleur is 1-5 in his last six playoff games. But I had overlooked that the single playoff win there was against Mike McCarthy. That makes it seem worse somehow, doesn't it?

I guess I should mention the name of the podcast was Football with Cheez, to give him credit. I will warn you if you check it out though, it's very negative.

 

[milani]

Bills just fired Sean McDermott, making Matt Lafleur the longest tenured current head coach in the NFL to never make it to the Super Bowl.

Too bad he didn’t work for Ed Policy, he’d have gotten a big raise and contract extension instead.

Yes.

 

[scooter_1954]

Bills just fired Sean McDermott, making Matt Lafleur the longest tenured current head coach in the NFL to never make it to the Super Bowl.

Too bad he didn’t work for Ed Policy, he’d have gotten a big raise and contract extension instead.

I gotta be honest, I'd take McDermott over MLF all day. I'm just sick of MLF choking away games. I just don't feel that applies to McDermott. YMMV

 

[JoePack]

I gotta be honest, I'd take McDermott over MLF all day. I'm just sick of MLF choking away games. I just don't feel that applies to McDermott. YMMV

I understand that but when you have a QB with that much talent you need a Ring. Sure there's other reasons for losing but at some point you have to realize McDermott,s not getting it done. Maybe with another team. Now, what's Josh going to do?