Fire Matt LaFleur

[Heyjoe4]

Could be. I just want to rely on Love more rather than the running game. And I want him to embrace the QB Jordan is. A Playmaker who'll occasionally make a mistake.

Given the current state of the running game, I'd be fine with going with more short-range, high-probability passing downs. I'd rather see Love methodically work the team down the field. I'm not opposed to the deep throws, I'd just like to see fewer of them.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Agreed. Although I read that Hafley, now HC for Miami, will be calling the plays on defense. So why does he need a DC?

I don't see the value add from Stevanich. I think you're right and he would better serve the team by focusing on the OL.

That still leaves open who helps MLF with the offensive game plan and play calling and overall game and clock management. From what I've seen it's no one. Bisaccia is listed, I think, as assistant HC. That's laughable.

And that's why I'm disappointed there have been so few changes in the offensive coaching staff. MLF is a very good play caller. But even geniuses need help now and then.

If nothing changes, well nothing changes. That means the team will continue to struggle on offense with in-game adjustments, clock management, and a lack of new ideas.

Both the Stenavich and Bisaccia titles were given in name to justify a salary bump to keep them.

 

[milani]

Agreed Carry, although I think MLF has enough trust in Love to execute a play.

Where I see room for improvement, and maybe more trust from MLF, is to allow Love to make more changes at the LOS. For all I know he is doing this, and there are some times where it's obvious to even a casual fan that the QB is changing a play.

Certainly Rodgers had all the freedom he wanted to change a call. But Rodgers played at a physical and intellectual level very few QBs can match.

But c'mon, Love has been around six years now, three as a starter. If he doesn't know how to read a defense and change a call, he never will. I think he can and MLF should encourage it.

I think Rodgers started to be independent from MM in the 2010-2011 years. Love could begin now. The difference was that it was easier to change the play in MM's offense than in the MLF one. MLF uses way too much motion. MM was vanilla. I see the challenge.
Lombardi's offense was even more rudimentary for its time than the rest of the league. It was so easy for Starr to call it and to change it. And it was just as easy for the other 10 players to adjust to the call. I think that is what Love is up against, a complicated offense that is not easy to change and expect the rest of the unit to adapt.
Interesting to note that Lombardi characterized the offense that was the mirror opposite of his in Landry's Cowboys. " With that many plays they are going to screw up."
As it turned out they did.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't agree that he doesn't have what it takes to win a SB. Many bad coaches have gotten there and some have won ( Nick Sirriani and Doug Peterson).

I said it in an earlier post. I actually think Matt can win a SB. However, I think he can improve on his current level of coaching, by improving on those things that I stated. If he does that, he raises his odds of being a SB winning coach. Still takes the right players, and some luck on injuries and opponents.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Both the Stenavich and Bisaccia titles were given in name to justify a salary bump to keep them.

Well said Suds. The Packer's OC is MLF. Bisaccia was a very well-respected STs coach and a good football mind, and he was paid accordingly. It just didn't pay off in GB.

A new STs coordinator has nowhere to go but up. As for Stevanich, I've said it before, give him the OL, and find a real assistant for MLF who can help with play calling and clock mgmt.

Unfortunately, it looks like MLF is pretty much running back the same offensive coaching team. If anything, the staff has decreased in talent with Mannion off to the Eagles as their OC.

Am I reading this the wrong way?

 

[Firethorn1001]

I know I've made the comment before, but looks like now that the Dolphins have Jon-Eric Sullivan as a GM I like even more the potential of MLF being traded to the Dolphins and Willis on their radar. Dolphins could trade some draft capital in 2026 and get some Packer's capital back in 2027 (early compensation for the Packers.

I had 1 part of equation. If I was Dolphins still would have inquired about MLF (maybe they did.. who knows)

 

[rmontro]

I had 1 part of equation. If I was Dolphins still would have inquired about MLF (maybe they did.. who knows)

Sounds too good to be true, unfortunately.

 

[gopkrs]

The more I think about, the less I like Matt as our play caller. He gets things in his head, imo, and sticks with them no matter what. I do think he could be effective in just taking the reins at times and saying, I'm gonna call this one. Not many seem to like that idea though. Something about continuity. I disagree with that. Anyway, calling his own plays could end up costing him as a head coach.

 

[XPack]

I question his time management more than his play calling abilities, tbh!

 

[Heyjoe4]

The more I think about, the less I like Matt as our play caller. He gets things in his head, imo, and sticks with them no matter what. I do think he could be effective in just taking the reins at times and saying, I'm gonna call this one. Not many seem to like that idea though. Something about continuity. I disagree with that. Anyway, calling his own plays could end up costing him as a head coach.

Agreed. And the longer he is a HC, the more stubborn he'll get. I'd much rather have a true OC calling the plays, with input from the HC now and then. Same for a DC.

MLF is not gonna do that. And eventually it may cost him his job. That said, the team has a lot of talent and all of the injured players will be back no later than November 1st I think. Gluten certainly has work to do this offseason, but the team is already very good.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I question his time management more than his play calling abilities, tbh!

Yeah that's a good point X. The way I see it, he might be making better calls at crucial points in the game IF he had better control of the clock. And an assistant should be able to fix this - MLF just needs to delegate clock management to someone else. Anyway it's an interesting thought experiment.

Time management has always, as far as I remember, been a problem for MLF.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I question his time management more than his play calling abilities, tbh!

I question his ability to adapt in game and call plays quickly enough. Too often Love doesn't have enough time to get to the LOS with enough time on the play clock, to effectively read the defense and make any necessary changes to the called play.

 

[OldSchool101]

I question his time management more than his play calling abilities, tbh!

Yes. Oddly, his first glaring mistake (there’s others) was protecting the clock too much on 1st and Goal from the Tampa8. He had 1 opportunity to Run the ball and possibly 2 chances but costing 1 timeout and an extra 25 sec at most. It’s not like AJ would be 15 yards downfield and trying to reset the OL.
When you’re 8 yards from paint the longest non TD run is 7 yards. It takes 20 sec to reset and get the 2nd play off + 3-5 seconds to call the extra play for 2nd down (pass) to stop the clock after :25 seconds

He played the scenario like you would inside 2-min with maybe 1 timeout left. He admitted later he’d like to have that back. Now that’s fine we all make mistakes. You just don’t want to make a mistake in a Championship game at home in front of your crowd. Plus he displayed he didn’t learn from it he’s made very similar clock mistakes later.

I always say the clock management in key downs is a blown up version of 4th down calls. You don’t get a do over and you can’t go 1 of 5. You gotta be more a 3 of 5 guy or at very minimum 2 of 5. You have to have above average instincts just like players. You can be the most dynamic athlete on the field. But without possessing innate instincts you’re going to get run over.

 

[gopkrs]

Yes. Oddly, his first glaring mistake (there’s others) was protecting the clock too much on 1st and Goal from the Tampa8. He had 1 opportunity to Run the ball and possibly 2 chances but costing 1 timeout and an extra 25 sec at most. It’s not like AJ would be 15 yards downfield and trying to reset the OL.
When you’re 8 yards from paint the longest non TD run is 7 yards. It takes 20 sec to reset and get the 2nd play off + 3-5 seconds to call the extra play for 2nd down (pass) to stop the clock after :25 seconds

He played the scenario like you would inside 2-min with maybe 1 timeout left. He admitted later he’d like to have that back. Now that’s fine we all make mistakes. You just don’t want to make a mistake in a Championship game at home in front of your crowd. Plus he displayed he didn’t learn from it he’s made very similar clock mistakes later.

I always say the clock management in key downs is a blown up version of 4th down calls. You don’t get a do over and you can’t go 1 of 5. You gotta be more a 3 of 5 guy or at very minimum 2 of 5. You have to have above average instincts just like players. You can be the most dynamic athlete on the field. But without possessing innate instincts you’re going to get run over in the Pro circuit.

I believe those clock/timeout situations should be damn near 2nd nature. And if they're not; then even the head coach needs to practice those things until they are. It's just too important. I remember Favre used to clock the ball and give up a play at the end of games when he didn't have to. And close to scoring a needed TD. Used to drive me nuts. But that's the head coach's fault too.

 

[OldSchool101]

I believe those clock/timeout situations should be damn near 2nd nature. And if they're not; then even the head coach needs to practice those things until they are. It's just too important. I remember Favre used to clock the ball and give up a play at the end of games when he didn't have to. And close to scoring a needed TD. Used to drive me nuts. But that's the head coach's fault too.

Yes. I’m not claiming I’m perfect. I’m not claiming Matt needs to be perfect. But when a guy that passively watches the game for 50 years notices obvious mistakes in real time and then they go south? That’s not good! I watch quite a few games beyond GB and I see mistakes, but mostly from teams that have nothing to play for.

He needs to hire an assistant that’s literally on his hip or in the booth as a consultant. He’s gotta protect himself from himself. He’s a brilliant play caller. But I’d say very mediocre critical down game manager. Not terrible level, just not good level