Packers at Giants Pregame Thread

[milani]

Heath not travelling due to coach's decision? So wonder what he did because that just pretty much means suspension.

Think it is his injury? No reason to bring him or suit him up if he needs physical therapy.

 

[adambr2]

McManus listed as doubtful, so it’s hard to believe that he’s been healthy enough to kick this entire time.

What an absolute bungling of the kicker position by Matt Lafleur and Rich Bisaccia over the last month. Not only to play an injured, ineffective kicker but do so rather than put him on IR and force yourself into carrying two kickers on the active roster and costing yourself a cut elsewhere.

 

[OldSchool101]

One thing I came across recently.
The Packers Defense leads the NFL in explosive plays allowed in the Passing game at 9.5% at #1. The Defense ranks #31 in length of allowed Drives. The only conclusion is GB will gift opponents as many short plays as desired. That only works if your Offense is scoring moderate to quickly. The issue with this is if you allow The Giants free 5 yard passes? You’ll rarely if ever get home with our Pass Rush. To maximize a good Pass Rush the object is to make the opposing QB hold the ball longer, not shorter like were been doing.

In addition if you allow shorter plays we not only negate our strength, we churn the clock. Carolina and Philadelphia combined mix?
Runs: 67 (59%)
Pass: 46 (41%)

Does anyone think this was accidental?

By opponents using a running heavy mix and throwing shorter passes due to our welcoming it? you promote churning the gameclock along with them.
With Carolina we had 1 drive in Qtr1, 2 total drives in Qtr2 and our last 1st Half drive started with 2:00 left! How are you supposed to score points when you get the ball 3 times per half and 1 is in a 2-minute drill! Then we fumbled on 1 drive!! So with Carolina we got 1 good drive and a 2min drill across an entire Half! Is it some big shocker that we don’t score points? 7 total possession in a game and it included 1 rushed version. This is a common strategy for a lesser team to play “keep away”.

Secondly. GB Using a large Mix of Run or promoting our opponent to do so only speeds the Gameclock. This was the exact tool Carolina used to tether the scoreboard together with us. GB just fed right into Carolina. Not only did Carolina Run 33 times and Pass 20, they invited us to Run right into their Web. They threw 4.9 yards per pass and ran at 4.9 per. Carolina was 104 yards behind us but because they killed the clock and limited possessions and got an extra takeaway they won by 3. They had 265 total yards!! How do you win passing for 104 yards?

Kill the Clock and force a takeaway and you’ll win.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Think it is his injury? No reason to bring him or suit him up if he needs physical therapy.

Then they would just say injured and not travelling. Coach's decision? Ya that sounds like unofficial suspension.

 

[OldSchool101]

The antidote is blatantly obvious. In Defense you play 8 in the Box regular (ant least start that way and last second retract into 7) and force NY to throw over the top 10+ yard throws. These often take 3+ seconds to develop. You’ll give up some moderate 10-15 yard gainers, but you’ll also get a few Sacks mixed in. In addition any incomplete 15 yard pass does what to the Gameclock?? Exactly! Not to mention Jameis has always had an MO of careless with the ball. He throws longer but he’s not the best decision maker. Jameis decisions makes Jordan look like Rodgers.

On Offense limit the Runs. Instead of 30-35 Runs, use 15-25 runs mix and only increase that to 25+ area IF we are maintaining 5+ per carry. 10-15 extra passes to your WR/RB/TE. That’s extra minutes of gameclock spread around simply by us altering our mix. Not to mention forcing NY to go Pass mix. It’s ok you’ll give up some yards and even a couple scores. I’d rather Win 33-24 and force Jameis to air it out and allow our Pass rush to harass him vs losing 16-19 on a walk off FG.
He’s not a run threat either. Very pedestrian to low grade threat. Best way to get your opponent to air it out is score a couple quicker TD’s using our passing game.

Goal: make NY abandon the Run and make this about which team can perform better on 10+ throws.

 

[milani]

McManus listed as doubtful, so it’s hard to believe that he’s been healthy enough to kick this entire time.

What an absolute bungling of the kicker position by Matt Lafleur and Rich Bisaccia over the last month. Not only to play an injured, ineffective kicker but do so rather than put him on IR and force yourself into carrying two kickers on the active roster and costing yourself a cut elsewhere.

Definitely cost us 1 game for sure. I wonder what the players are thinking. Or are they?

 

[milani]

One thing I came across recently.
The Packers Defense leads the NFL in explosive plays allowed in the Passing game at 9.5% at #1. The Defense ranks #31 in length of allowed Drives. The only conclusion is GB will gift opponents as many short plays as desired. That only works if your Offense is scoring moderate to quickly. The issue with this is if you allow The Giants free 5 yard passes? You’ll rarely if ever get home with our Pass Rush. To maximize a good Pass Rush the object is to make the opposing QB hold the ball longer, not shorter like were been doing.

In addition if you allow shorter plays we not only negate our strength, we churn the clock. Carolina and Philadelphia combined mix?
Runs: 67 (59%)
Pass: 46 (41%)

Does anyone think this was accidental?

By opponents using a running heavy mix and throwing shorter passes due to our welcoming it? you promote churning the gameclock along with them.
With Carolina we had 1 drive in Qtr1, 2 total drives in Qtr2 and our last 1st Half drive started with 2:00 left! How are you supposed to score points when you get the ball 3 times per half and 1 is in a 2-minute drill! Then we fumbled on 1 drive!! So with Carolina we got 1 good drive and a 2min drill across an entire Half! Is it some big shocker that we don’t score points? 7 total possession in a game and it included 1 rushed version. This is a common strategy for a lesser team to play “keep away”.

Secondly. GB Using a large Mix of Run or promoting our opponent to do so only speeds the Gameclock. This was the exact tool Carolina used to tether the scoreboard together with us. GB just fed right into Carolina. Not only did Carolina Run 33 times and Pass 20, they invited us to Run right into their Web. They threw 4.9 yards per pass and ran at 4.9 per. Carolina was 104 yards behind us but because they killed the clock and limited possessions and got an extra takeaway they won by 3. They had 265 total yards!! How do you win passing for 104 yards?

Kill the Clock and force a takeaway and you’ll win.

That was OUR strategy when Love was injured last year and Willis had to start against the Colts. It worked. Good run defenses force you to throw.

 

[pacmaniac]

Heath not travelling due to coach's decision? So wonder what he did because that just pretty much means suspension.

Maybe he wasn't happy that a CB was getting more PT at WR than he was?

 

[OldSchool101]

That was OUR strategy when Love was injured last year and Willis had to start against the Colts. It worked. Good run defenses force you to throw.

exactly.

2-0

 

[Firethorn1001]

Maybe he wasn't happy that a CB was getting more PT at WR than he was?

Would be my guess too.

 

[adambr2]

After watching Melton last Sunday, can’t say I blame Heath.

Heath can at least catch. Melton can’t play WR or CB.

 

[Firethorn1001]

After watching Melton last Sunday, can’t say I blame Heath.

Heath can at least catch. Melton can’t play WR or CB.

Is Bo a better run blocker because I could completely see a scenario where MLF is dying to go with a run heavy plan this weekend and wants run blockers, informed Heath of this which I'm sure he was enamored with.

Unless Heath is better then I'm just full of hot air.

 

[OldSchool101]

Is Bo a better run blocker because I could completely see a scenario where MLF is dying to go with a run heavy plan this weekend and wants run blockers, informed Heath of this which I'm sure he was enamored with.

Unless Heath is better then I'm just full of hot air.

Idk. Heath is Bigger though at 6’2” 210-215. Obviously bigger won’t equate to better blocker.

 

[Pkrjones]

Is Bo a better run blocker because I could completely see a scenario where MLF is dying to go with a run heavy plan this weekend and wants run blockers, informed Heath of this which I'm sure he was enamored with.

Unless Heath is better then I'm just full of hot air.

Heath is a very good run blocker. Hope this means both Golden & Savion, although "Questionable", are ready to play. Can't stomach another game of Melton dropping balls & getting penalized by covering up extra linemen.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Well it’s been 2 tough losses. The Eagles wouldn’t have felt so bad had we beat Carolina. It is what it is. We’ll need a reset game and regardless of our track record as of late this game becomes important to regain some respect.

One thing that’s been overshadowed by our Losses. In these last couple of games we’ve been in transition. We’ve had some extremely tough player losses that would really impact any team. While I’m not solely blaming our losses on injuries, I do think it factored that during our last 2 weeks we’ve had an unusual proportion of Offensive injuries and what happened? The Offense did in game substitutions and struggled a bit.

However the Defense has steadily been returning players (Wooden, Wyatt etc) and what happened? They allowed 26 points across the last pair of games. Thats 3 TD’s across 8 quarters of play. 1 of the 3 TD’s allowed coming off a INT at the GB38.
Our D is quietly #7 in scoring and #5 in yards per. There’s really 1 game where the D allowed more than 25 points. In that Dallas game 2 points were scored off a Safety and a TD from a goal to Go turnover. Without drastic failures by our Offense we’re talking 31 points and 3 came from an FG at the end of OT. Could’ve easily been 28pts in regulation without Teams or Offense fouling things up. We’re even seeing some intensity on that side. Our D is taking things personal and not being shy about it.
Another uptick is 4 takeaways in 4 weeks. If that trend continues we can keep games low scoring for our struggling Offense and Teams.

We’ve overshadowed a pair of brilliant Defensive performance with ugly Offensive play. An announcement today from the Brass was that “Matt LaFleur will resume playcalling duties”. We’ve finally admitted there’s a problem in bass backwards way. The microscope is on Matt and this Offense.

I don't like using injuries as an excuse either. Losing the best player on offense (Kraft) and one of the best WRs (Reed) and a very good C/G (Jenkins) is gonna have an impact.

Even so, this team is rich with talent. 17 points in two games just doesn't cut it. MLF needs to do some soul searching. If the team underperforms and either misses the playoffs, or is one and done again, I don't see MLF back in the fold next year.

Certainly Gluten has given him plenty of talent to work with (OK, not in the secondary.....). Losses to Cleveland and Carolina, and a tie with Dallas are, taken as a whole, unforgivable. One of them would have been ok. But 2 losses and a tie to arguably the easiest opponents on the schedule is an ominous sign.

 

[rmontro]

I just noticed we're now at a point where that tie is hurting us, it's got us behind those 6-3 teams ahead of us. Earlier in the year it seemed like it was helping us, keeping us ahead of the teams with the extra loss. Of course a win would always be better...

 

[DoURant]

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The offense needs to get on track today. Facing another bottom team in the league, we need a convincing win today, with games against North Division teams in each of the next 3 weeks. Go Pack Go!

 

[Heyjoe4]

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The offense needs to get on track today. Facing another bottom team in the league, we need a convincing win today, with games against North Division teams in each of the next 3 weeks. Go Pack Go!

Amen to that DoURant. They need to find the team that beat Detroit and Washinton to start the season. Even with the loss of Kraft and Reed, there is ample talent on offense. They need to go back to the future.

 

[chemist]

Amen to that DoURant. They need to find the team that beat Detroit and Washinton to start the season. Even with the loss of Kraft and Reed, there is ample talent on offense. They need to go back to the future.

Definitely cost us 1 game for sure. I wonder what the players are thinking. Or are they?

Amen to that DoURant. They need to find the team that beat Detroit and Washinton to start the season. Even with the loss of Kraft and Reed, there is ample talent on offense. They need to go back to the future.

I dont get why the packers are stubbornly sticking with mcmanus as the PK when he has been terrible over the last several games while Lou H has been perfect.
Does MLF have some deep connection with Mcmanus or is he being pressured by the higher ups to use Mcmanus. The way our offense has been going we need every point we can get so the choice of PK seems to me to be a no brainer for switching to Lou H and the recent data backs that up. This situation smacks of the joe barry regime where everyone could see his defensive designs were poor and ineffectice yet MLF kept him on which hurt us badly. Id like to know who is calling the shots on this one .

 

[rmontro]

Amen to that DoURant. They need to find the team that beat Detroit and Washinton to start the season. Even with the loss of Kraft and Reed, there is ample talent on offense. They need to go back to the future.

Even then, they could have been better on offense. But yeah, I'd take it.

 

[Pugger]

Is Bo a better run blocker because I could completely see a scenario where MLF is dying to go with a run heavy plan this weekend and wants run blockers, informed Heath of this which I'm sure he was enamored with.

Unless Heath is better then I'm just full of hot air.

Matt might be the one full of hot air.

 

[OldSchool101]

I just noticed we're now at a point where that tie is hurting us, it's got us behind those 6-3 teams ahead of us. Earlier in the year it seemed like it was helping us, keeping us ahead of the teams with the extra loss. Of course a win would always be better...

Yes. It’s tricky. However there will be no ties. Currently we are 1/2 game behind 1st place with Detroit and Chicago. The key is we STILL hold our destiny because we play both teams in the near future. As an example if we played either today and Won? We’d go 6-3-1 and they’d be 6-4. So the Tie comes back to help.

My analysis is that in a Division that’s staring at several teams who could have the same record, our Tie removes an ambiguity from the Playoff equation. Possibly for all of us because everyone in the North can be affected until the last game unless they pull away from us further.

We still hold the keys if we Win today.

 

[lambeaulambo]

heres an idea....instead of running watson deep to stretch put him in the slot and hit him over the middle.

 

[Wayne G]

Been a Packer fan since I was 12....now 60.
I may often sound negative but I think I am a realist with my own opinions.

It is impossible for me to root against them...but.....I despise Lafluer so much, and I am sure Pack isint doing much this year,
I almost want to root for the Giants just to get rid of Lafluer....but I cant.

 

[shockerx]

Been a Packer fan since I was 12....now 60.
I may often sound negative but I think I am a realist with my own opinions.

It is impossible for me to root against them...but.....I despise Lafluer so much, and I am sure Pack isint doing much this year,
I almost want to root for the Giants just to get rid of Lafluer....but I cant.

Just Dont.