Winning Teams

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

We're starting to post about next years Packers and what we need, or who's available,
but do you ever wonder how some teams can select just the right players and play great football in just a couple years.

Example:
Rams
Chiefs
Saints
Patriots
and yes even Da-Bears.

How does this happen?
Is it luck in the draft or free agency?
Good Scouting?
Great coaches?
Younger players?
Just plain luck?
Or all of the above?

What's your guess?​

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

I think its being bad (or mediocre) for at least 2-3 year , ensuring you pick at the top of the draft each year. The Packers making the playoffs and getting bounced in the first round every year hurts this team more than we know (or knew at this point). Saints fell off for a few years, drafted lower, and boom look where they are now. We may be in that time. Expect 2020 to be the year

 

[gbgary]

in the chiefs, rams, bears, case it's a qb on a rookie contract, cap room to get quality vets, guts, and smarts. saints and pats have qb's playing with contracts under market value.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

in the chiefs, rams, bears, case it's a qb on a rookie contract, cap room to get quality vets, guts, and smarts. saints and pats have qb's playing with contracts under market value.

Is it too late for our qb to get an under market value contract? Yes? okay...

 

[gbgary]

Is it too late for our qb to get an under market value contract? Yes? okay...

yup...about 3 months too late lol...but "guts and smarts" are lacking here too.

 

[Half Empty]

Cap hits (I'm figuring cash doesn't impact the team as much as this), per Sportrac:

Player 2018 2019

Rodgers 20.9 26.5
Brady 22 27
Brees 24 37.5

 

[RepStar15]

Each of those teams have an established run game.

 

[Half Empty]

And uses it.

 

[Ogsponge]

Having 27 million tied up in 2 aging, injury prone OLB’s who make 1 play a game combined doesn’t help us much

 

[Half Empty]

Wow. Hadn't thought of Perry as aging, but he's 28, which should be prime and certainly isn't an up-and-comer. Has never played a full season. The one great one was, of course, his contract year. This year, 24 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 3 passes defensed. And, the three passes defensed all came in one game, during which he otherwise had a zero stat line.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

Having 27 million tied up in 2 aging, injury prone OLB’s who make 1 play a game combined doesn’t help us much

Man when you say it out loud it hurts even more

 

[Mavster]

Having 27 million tied up in 2 aging, injury prone OLB’s who make 1 play a game combined doesn’t help us much

Gotta go all the way back to the game versus Buffalo to find Nick Perry's last hit on a QB

 

[906Fan]

It seems like turkey to success is some combo of the following:
A QB who over performs their contract
High draft picks from previous years of underperforming
Established running game
Quality veteran FA signings/trades

Ouch

 

[Mavster]

I mean it's easy. Who is the last guy the Packers drafted that's a true blue chip player at their position over the last x amount of years? Davante has turned into a great receiver so you could say him for sure. Clark can maybe get to that level as he's extremely young and shows great promise but I wouldn't call him blue chip right now.

Ted simply blew it in his last few drafts while also avoiding to use any other avenue to bring in talent which made matters even worse.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Having 27 million tied up in 2 aging, injury prone OLB’s who make 1 play a game combined doesn’t help us much

Been saying it for quite some time but have been repeatedly told on this forum we needed to keep those 2 dead beats around because we have nobody else to replace them. It doesn’t take much to replace that amount of production, any journeyman type nfl linebacker is capable of putting up those kind of numbers at a fraction of the cost, it’s an absolute joke what those two are being paid!

 

[Mike McCarthy]

It all has snowballed. Id say TT signing “his guys” to massive contracts is probably the biggest thing holding this team back right now. Cobb, Matthews, Perry, Bulaga, not much production out of any of these guys that are sucking up a huge chunk of the salary cap. You can’t swing and miss that many times on big contracts. Same with the high draft picks that have been unproductive or total busts, it is not possible to totally miss on guys repeatedly and stay competitive in this league when it’s basically the only means used to build a roster as long as TT was calling the shots. While TT was filling the roster with udfa gems the bears, Vikings and possibly even the lions passed us by in the division, TT should of been gone years ago!

 

[Jerellh528]

Having 27 million tied up in 2 aging, injury prone OLB’s who make 1 play a game combined doesn’t help us much

Don’t forget Cobb, Bulaga, Crosby, and Graham in addition to Matthews and Perry.
It’s crazy if you look at our top 10 salaries, how little value we get from those 6 guys.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Don’t forget Cobb, Bulaga, Crosby, and Graham in addition to Matthews and Perry.
It’s crazy if you look at our top 10 salaries, 6 of them give us little, nothing, or severely underplay their contract.

Good point I forgot about Crosby top 5 salary for nfl kickers, low 20’s in production!! TT was asleep at the wheel far too long.

 

[rodell330]

Man when you say it out loud it hurts even more

I’ve saud this umteen times over the course of the season

 

[Ogsponge]

I’ve saud this umteen times over the course of the season

And just to beat a dead horse, the guy we should have drafted, instead of king is averaging a sack a game....

I am not always right but I said even before that draft, cut clay, sign Gilmore, draft watt. I pretty much nailed that one

 

[XPack]

We'd have been a winning team if TT hasn't had multiple consequent draft busts, esp with veterans being let go. The ''draft and develop' went a bit too far with no FA reinforcement and here we are. If not for AR12 we'd never have made playoffs this consistently.

Plus our game planning sucks. For example, Jared Cook had 600 yard seasons with Rams and back to that with Raiders. With us, he got 377 yards....his lowest since rookie years. Jimmy Graham is nowhere the monster he's capable of being. We are great at underutilizing key players and are a one man team.

 

[Forget Favre]

Everything has to be the right combination at the right time.
Players and coaches.
Except for the rare Lombardi case where he turned losers around to be winners.

 

[Mondio]

Cook only played like half a year though. I remember him being hurt a lot

 

[XPack]

Cook only played like half a year though. I remember him being hurt a lot

He was on course for a 450 yard season even if was healthy all through. Nowhere close to the 650+ yards he's capable of!

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

He was on pace for 603 without counting how many partial games he missed with injuries.