Packers vs Cardinals Game Thread: Desert Duel Edition

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Not sure who the 5 teams are that are better than GB. I don’t see an elite team. I see Green Bay in the mix with 6-8 teams right now, but I don’t see a standout team.
Agree, but you still have to give Philly the benefit of the doubt as the best. Tampa has been good so far and the game vs Detroit will be telling. The Rams are a tough out.
 

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You clearly are clueless as to how they’ve lost those games. Taken from them in literally the last snap multiple times essentially.

This was not going to be an easy game and many folks here and in media knew it.

Reread that, the clueless comment was not meant to be demeaning, merely expressing many likely haven’t paid attention to them is all. Apologies if offended.
I'm glad that you tried to dull the slight in my direction, but it was still posted. Whatever though, that's all the attention I'll give to slights directed at me. I would like to know (sources should be given, not general words like "some" or "many") who looks at this team and thinks "man, this is an above average team". We (GBP) are supposed to be an above average team, sure the potential is there, but we're beyond the bye week and it doesn't look like this team has progressed. If one does not recognize and resolve their mistakes, they are doomed to repeat them. The mistakes are still showing up at bad times. I try to watch every NFL game (time allowing), and don't think too highly on 2 win teams at the bottom of their division, after a while, it's (7 game sample size now) just a habit. That being said, I'm very glad to see MP show up with a great game for us, between him and RG, were able to help us win today.
 

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I'm glad that you tried to dull the slight in my direction, but it was still posted. Whatever though, that's all the attention I'll give to slights directed at me. I would like to know (sources should be given, not general words like "some" or "many") who looks at this team and thinks "man, this is an above average team". We (GBP) are supposed to be an above average team, sure the potential is there, but we're beyond the bye week and it doesn't look like this team has progressed. If one does not recognize and resolve their mistakes, they are doomed to repeat them. The mistakes are still showing up at bad times. I try to watch every NFL game (time allowing), and don't think too highly on 2 win teams at the bottom of their division, after a while, it's (7 game sample size now) just a habit. That being said, I'm very glad to see MP show up with a great game for us, between him and RG, were able to help us win today.

I could have deleted it, but clearly my intent wasn’t to be a ****, and openly expressed apology and clarification.

If you want me to run back to everyone that said this wasn’t going to be an easy game I’m sure I could waste time but just looking over how the Cardinals have played and fact it was away, and our entire flight issues and our injuries (Jacob’s wasn’t even close to 100 and still played)…to me it was assumed this was gonna be a dogfight
 
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Not sure who the 5 teams are that are better than GB. I don’t see an elite team. I see Green Bay in the mix with 6-8 teams right now, but I don’t see a standout team.
It depends on our definition of Elite. Generally speaking if you are a
Top 3-4 power ranked team I’d call that Elite. It’s the Top 10-15% of the league. If a team is consensus Power Ranked at #3 it puts them in rare company. I’d still say GB is just a hair outside that real time.

Now 2025 is a bit of an anomaly. We just set an NFL record of 26 game Winning drives already this season.

Jordan Love himself has THREE 4th Qtr comebacks in 2025. Three is commendable across a season. A QB averaging just Three 4Q comebacks across a season multiplied by a 15 season career is HOF level stuff, if that gives you some semblance of how good a 4Q comeback 1:2 ratio. Peyton Manning has 43 4Q comebacks across an 18 season career. Love has 7 4Q comebacks in 2.35 seasons. Extrapolated Jordan Love is pacing 54 4Qtr comebacks across 18 seasons as a starter. That’s NFL record breaking and some of his own fans act disgusted with his ability to pull out a come from behind Victory, which is laughable for anyone that follows the sport closely. I digress.


These record breaking marks speak to the tight races across the league. So back to your point. It’s a good reason for debating no teams are truly Elite (yet)
 
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Now 2025 is a bit of an anomaly. We just set an NFL record of 26 game Winning drives already (Cousins holds the single player record at 34 career)
I don't understand what you're saying... How could we set a record of 26 game winning drives in 2025 when we've only played 6 games? In fact, I'm struggling with how that paragraph is constructed, as a whole (probably because I'm not understanding the first sentence).
 
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I don't understand what you're saying... How could we set a record of 26 game winning drives in 2025 when we've only played 6 games? In fact, I'm struggling with how that paragraph is constructed, as a whole (probably because I'm not understanding the first sentence).
The league. 2025 set a NFL record for the most game winning drives through this juncture. This was mainly the point to say we’ve had a plethora of very close games across the league. It also infers the level of competition is even across a large swath of teams.

Oh and on a singular player. With Jordan Love 1 sight shows 1 less game winning drive. So I’ll go with the lower number. Love had 6 game winning Drives + 6 4th Qtr comebacks already. The kid had only played 2.35 seasons. He’s pacing record breaking “per contest” ability to pull games out of his A?s. Yet you’ll hear he has no ability to Win a game in crunch time. Not only false.. completely contrary to the facts. Just shows you how some of his own fans (not you) don’t respect his ability. He just logged another PAIR of BOTH today (not yet showing here)
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Agree, but you still have to give Philly the benefit of the doubt as the best. Tampa has been good so far and the game vs Detroit will be telling. The Rams are a tough out.
Outside of the NFC you have to look at the Colts and Broncos. If the 49ers were healthier they could have been undefeated. But the 4 teams you mentioned are very strong and can win even on bad days.
 

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The league. 2025 set a NFL record for the most game winning drives through this juncture. This was mainly the point to say we’ve had a plethora of very close games across the league. It also infers the level of competition is even across a large swath of teams.

Oh and on a singular player. With Jordan Love 1 sight shows 1 less game winning drive. So I’ll go with the lower number. Love had 6 game winning Drives + 6 4th Qtr comebacks already. The kid had only played 2.35 seasons. He’s pacing record breaking “per contest” ability to pull games out of his A?s. Yet you’ll hear he has no ability to Win a game in crunch time. Not only false.. completely contrary to the facts. Just shows you how some of his own fans (not you) don’t respect his ability. He just logged another PAIR of BOTH today (not yet showing here)
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Yes but this doesn't fit the narrative so ignore.

Just like MLF - ignore all he has accomplished in order to justify firing him LOL
 

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It depends on our definition of Elite. Generally speaking if you are a
Top 3-4 power ranked team I’d call that Elite. It’s the Top 10-15% of the league. If a team is consensus Power Ranked at #3 it puts them in rare company. I’d still say GB is just a hair outside that real time.

Now 2025 is a bit of an anomaly. We just set an NFL record of 26 game Winning drives already this season.

Jordan Love himself has THREE 4th Qtr comebacks in 2025. Three is commendable across a season. A QB averaging just Three 4Q comebacks across a season multiplied by a 15 season career is HOF level stuff, if that gives you some semblance of how good a 4Q comeback 1:2 ratio. Peyton Manning has 43 4Q comebacks across an 18 season career. Love has 7 4Q comebacks in 2.35 seasons. Extrapolated Jordan Love is pacing 54 4Qtr comebacks across 18 seasons as a starter. That’s NFL record breaking and some of his own fans act disgusted with his ability to pull out a come from behind Victory, which is laughable for anyone that follows the sport closely. I digress.


These record breaking marks speak to the tight races across the league. So back to your point. It’s a good reason for debating no teams are truly Elite (yet)
One stat that no one can ignore is the Yellow Submarine. With 2 games left to go this week 178 penalties have been accepted. And numerous teams had double digits. Should more be called or less be called? This could be a tell tale statistic toward the finish line. The Packers are down there but they are not the worst.
 

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I could have deleted it, but clearly my intent wasn’t to be a ****, and openly expressed apology and clarification.

If you want me to run back to everyone that said this wasn’t going to be an easy game I’m sure I could waste time but just looking over how the Cardinals have played and fact it was away, and our entire flight issues and our injuries (Jacob’s wasn’t even close to 100 and still played)…to me it was assumed this was gonna be a dogfight
Road games against teams that are in tight games every week should not be expected to be easy. This team needs to reduce penalties and get off the field on 3 rd and 14 and 3rd and 23.
 
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Yes but this doesn't fit the narrative so ignore.

Just like MLF - ignore all he has accomplished in order to justify firing him LOL
Yep. Fire the HC. If Tampa Wins tonight we’re a #1 seed until we lose. Nothing but ourselves can stop us.

If Tampa loses we’re a #2 seed and pulling away from Detroit in the North Division race. So Let’s fire the HC while he’s a #1 Seed! :laugh:
 
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Listen I’ll grant some folks that we have not always Won pretty. We’ve had moments of trying to make sense of a play call or drive. Yet I think if we look around we see that everywhere Yet these Packers have grinded it out. We’ve been about as injured as anyone. 2 starting WR out, 2 starting DT out. A few others nicked up but playing their hearts out. We may never be fully healthy, but in the meantime we’re logging notches in the W column.
 

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Once again I'm reminded that both are true at the same time...

1. It's tough to win in the NFL, there are very few "easy" wins in the league even if they look that way on paper

2. We CAN perform better than we have in many games thus far AND it's not unreasonable for fans to ask for better performances and/or to say that we "should" have won more convincingly in these contests...AND more importantly to remember that we will NEED to be better if we want to achieve our goals for this season

Marathon not a sprint and all that, you don't win the Super Bowl in October, but I think the bottom line is that through 7 weeks I suspect there are very few who would say that we are currently playing up to our potential right now
 
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Once again I'm reminded that both are true at the same time...

1. It's tough to win in the NFL, there are very few "easy" wins in the league even if they look that way on paper

2. We CAN perform better than we have in many games thus far AND it's not unreasonable for fans to ask for better performances and/or to say that we "should" have won more convincingly in these contests...AND more importantly to remember that we will NEED to be better if we want to achieve our goals for this season

Marathon not a sprint and all that, you don't win the Super Bowl in October, but I think the bottom line is that through 7 weeks I suspect there are very few who would say that we are currently playing up to our potential right now
Totally agree. At least for 2 seasons now we have not even hit our stride until around mid season. I suspect one part of that is relative inexperience. We have a large grouping of players who are on Rookie contracts. This it takes a few more games to gain some continuity (possibly even group confidence). The best way to improve is to start by logging Wins. If we are disjointed and Winning games? What does that really say?
It says that there is a strong indication that GB will close the gap on the few teams that are more consistent. It also said that it’s probable we will pass up some teams along the way. At minimum we will improve at a similar level to the teams who are seeing improvement.

That said. Firing our Coaching staff is an overreaction altogether (not suggesting you said that but I was responding to that sentiment) If every team that needed to improve or tighten up fired their Head Coach and ensure they didn’t work again, we wouldn’t have any Head Coaches to replace them
 

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Once again I'm reminded that both are true at the same time...

1. It's tough to win in the NFL, there are very few "easy" wins in the league even if they look that way on paper

2. We CAN perform better than we have in many games thus far AND it's not unreasonable for fans to ask for better performances and/or to say that we "should" have won more convincingly in these contests...AND more importantly to remember that we will NEED to be better if we want to achieve our goals for this season

Marathon not a sprint and all that, you don't win the Super Bowl in October, but I think the bottom line is that through 7 weeks I suspect there are very few who would say that we are currently playing up to our potential right now

Absolutely agree.

I also think, and I might have to check quickly....we are the only team that literally are one play in two games away from being undefeated. Lions can't say that...Bills nope...Patriots or Steelers nope...Buccs and Rams nope...
 

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I will say in our favor, there are very few teams that are looking pretty "clean" right now, and many of the preseason favorites are looking pretty sloppy overall. The Chiefs are on a really good run now, but started 0-2 and are currently 3rd in their division. The Texans won the division last year, but currently sit at 2-3. The Ravens were a trendy super bowl pick and they look AWFUL. Burrow is done (and as such probably the Bengals too, regardless of Flacco's relatively solid play in his stead), and somehow the Rodgers-led Steelers are heading up that division. And the Bills, another trendy SB pick, have also looked very unconvincing in spite of their 4-2 record. There you have the worst-to-(currently) first Patriots on top, but they feel a bit "too early" if that makes sense.

Over on our side of things, it's a lot more of the same. The Bucs are the top team in the NFC, who would've guessed that?? Reigning champs Philly are still on top of their division, but they have also been very sloppy and don't look nearly as dominant as they did last year. The NFC West is shaping up like a real dogfight with three solid teams but none that look (to my eye) to really be elite and/or putting that much distance between the others yet. And then there's us, who have just been kind of...weird? We faced arguably our two toughest tests in week 1/2 and passed with flying colors...then came back to earth a bit in recent weeks and now look like we are still working on finding our footing.

So it's not like it's all bad by any means. All things considered we are in a good spot as it stands and should hope to count on things improving. Yes, some of our wins have been closer than they feel like they should have been...and we probably should've put away Dallas, but we also only have one loss and it's on a time-running-out FG.

In all of these contests you can argue we should have done better (and I would agree) but that is still ultimately a better run of form than pretty much any other team can say right now.
Even the NFC-leading Bucs are just a half game ahead of us (5-1 vs 4-1-1) and theirs have come by way of a 3pt win over the Falcons, 1pt win over the Texans, 2pt win over the Jets, 3pt win over the Seahawks, and a 6pt loss to the Eagles that wasn't particularly close until "garbage time," they just have one "big" win so far.

So, you take the good with the bad. Celebrate the wins for what they are but recognize/acknowledge the things to improve on all the same. In some ways I think our big wins over DET and WAS to start the season maybe changed expectations for many. Heading into the start of the season, if I said we'd be 4-1-1 after 7 weeks, almost everyone would be perfectly happy with that. Many probably had already penciled in losses to DET or WAS or DAL to start the season off. Not many would've picked a tie or a loss to the Browns but most would be happy with 4 wins out of the first 6 all the same. In starting with 2-0 over the two toughest teams arguably, it makes the following weeks' performances get judged a bit differently, I guess. Ironically, if we had started 0-2 or 0-1-1 and then rattled off 4 wins, most would probably feel better about things right now lol
 
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Listen I’m totally happy. We’re #1 in the Division and I think we can play Pittsburgh tough. After watching Pitt they are not as scary as I thought.
If we can somehow find a way to get another Road Win I feel very good about hosting Carolina. My hope is we either see one of Wyatt or Van Ness back next week.
There’s a real pathway to being 6-1-1 for the Eagles Christian Watson should be back for that Monday Nighter at Lambeau. Having him and Golden on the field is going to add a new hurdle for Defenses.
 
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Road games against teams that are in tight games every week should not be expected to be easy. This team needs to reduce penalties and get off the field on 3 rd and 14 and 3rd and 23.
Usually, 3rd and long is to the advantage of the secondary because you do not have to stop the short stuff and your DL can tee off. In our case it works in reverse.
 

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Once again I'm reminded that both are true at the same time...

1. It's tough to win in the NFL, there are very few "easy" wins in the league even if they look that way on paper

2. We CAN perform better than we have in many games thus far AND it's not unreasonable for fans to ask for better performances and/or to say that we "should" have won more convincingly in these contests...AND more importantly to remember that we will NEED to be better if we want to achieve our goals for this season

Marathon not a sprint and all that, you don't win the Super Bowl in October, but I think the bottom line is that through 7 weeks I suspect there are very few who would say that we are currently playing up to our potential right now
Can I borrow this for another forum? Best job I've seen evaluating the situation.
 
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After re-watching the game, the game winning move was MLF deciding to go for it on that 4th down. With the way the secondary was playing and with the kickoff rules, kicking a FG there would have resulted in probably a loss. Giving them the ball with 2 min and change to get into FG range would have been disastrous.
 

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Concerns about this team after Arizona game: PFF grades. Hobbs $40+ contract. Arizona has a good O but frankly GB was supposed to better. Love continues to be an enigma each week, the DB's and LB's are not a plus right now. Not much to say about Morgan- he has been terrible all season.

Bottom 5 offense​

  1. RG Jordan Morgan: 34.8
  2. TE Luke Musgrave: 42.8
  3. TE John FitzPatrick: 46.0
  4. WR Malik Heath: 50.6
  5. QB Jordan Love: 53.5
Morgan struggled as a run blocker (27.8 grade). Musgrave also struggled as a run blocker FitzPatrick was was penalized for pass interference and caught just one pass for six yards running 10 routes. Heath flagged for being offsides. Love didn't have a completion thrown more than 20 yards down the field, struggled against pressure and had zero big-time throws and two turnover worthy plays.

Bottom 5 defense​

  1. DE Barryn Sorrell: 40.0
  2. CB Nate Hobbs: 47.9
  3. LB Edgerrin Cooper: 49.8
  4. CB Keisean Nixon: 57.7
  5. LB Quay Walker: 58.6
Sorrell didn't have a pressure or a tackle despite playing 30 snaps, including 22 as a pass-rusher, was penalized for offsides. Hobbs gave up four catches on five targets for 87 yards, missed two tackles and was flagged for holding. Cooper broke up a pass and had two stops, but missed a tackle, gave up four catches earned a poor (35.7) against the run. Nixon gave up three catches and a touchdown pass, was penalized once for illegal contact. Walker elite pass-rushing grade with five pressures, missed a tackle, gave up five catches struggled against the run, flagged for roughing the passer.
 
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