Packers vs Panthers Game Thread: Throwback Edition

[OldSchool101]

I'll add my desire to never see those ugly uniforms and helmets again. They looked like brown piles of

They’re bad luck

 

[Packphin]

All over media it’s a acl

Patience is virtue.
Let's see what the MRI says tomorrow.

 

[longtimefan]

Patience is virtue.
Let's see what the MRI says tomorrow.

Initial said mcl and I’m hoping

But Ian and other well known say Packers worried and Matt said doesn’t look good

 

[Packphin]

Initial said mcl and I’m hoping

But Ian and other well known say Packers worried and Matt said doesn’t look good

Frenchy is a coach, not a doctor. 'Doesn't look good' can mean a lot of things that doesn't equate to an ACL tear.
Hard to get a good ACL exam in a freshly injured knee with guarding. Additionally, even an MCL tear can cause instability that makes it difficult to identify an associated ACL tear.
All that said, he might very well have an ACL injury, but I would put the odds lower compared to a high grade MCL injury based purely on the injury mechanism.
Fingers crossed for the MRI.

 

[OldSchool101]

Frenchy is a coach, not a doctor. 'Doesn't look good' can mean a lot of things that doesn't equate to an ACL tear.
Hard to get a good ACL exam in a freshly injured knee with guarding. Additionally, even an MCL tear can cause instability that makes it difficult to identify an associated ACL tear.
All that said, he might very well have an ACL injury, but I would put the odds lower compared to a high grade MCL injury based purely on the injury mechanism.
Fingers crossed for the MRI.

I never thought I’d be wishing for an MCL, but over an ACL absolutely.

I wish they wouldn’t report or classify an injury as “season ending” until they actually verify that. That bothers me they need to quit with the “it’s feared” thing regardless. Ian Rappaport in an effort to be first to report seemingly wants it to be worst case

 

[tynimiller]

NOPE Excuses for poor play. Championship teams get off the field!!!

Well then the good news is there isn’t a single Championship team in the league right now

 

[milani]

i respectfully disagree. Championship defenses shut them down and get off the field. Haftley's and Berry's defenses continue to fail in that respect. It wasn't the sole reason they lost, but it was definitely present most of the game and on the last drive. GET OFF THE DAMN FIELD!

It was not like we were facing a great QB.

 

[milani]

I know Tucker is terrible news. I will say this though. We just got Watson back, so there’s a trade off there. Also I noticed last week Reed walking around at the facility and. Was surprised his normal he moved. You’d never know he had a double surgery. If I were a guessing man he’s back in December and imo he’s 1 of our 2 best Pass catchers and we’ve been without him so long that we’ve forgotten he’s likely on a return tour in another 4-6 weeks and he’s a dynamic player from the Slot and his absence has been felt more than we care to admit.
I’ll just say we’ve been been down on Musgrave but once again in limited targets he actually looked ok out there. 3 of 3 for 34 yards etc. No he’s not Kraft, but I think he can play more Tonyan ish level.
I also think it could be wise to go grab another good option behind him. Fitz is fine in limited time. He's a good blocker and minimally adequate pass catcher but imo we’ll need to add a veteran TE here.

Musgrave is too slow. He could be targeted msybe 2 times per game. Love will have to measure those throws. The team will have to substitute an extra wide receiver except on run plays. Possibly even line one up in the backfield like they used to do with Cobb and swing him out in the flat.

 

[tynimiller]

Musgrave is too slow. He could be targeted msybe 2 times per game. Love will have to measure those throws. The team will have to substitute an extra wide receiver except on run plays. Possibly even line one up in the backfield like they used to do with Cobb and swing him out in the flat.

This might be what you mean, but just so everyone knows Musgrave is not slow...issue is his routes are not precise and fluid...there isn't a world that exists where Kraft is faster than Musgrave, but the two might be shining examples of how precision in your footwork and decision making make up for elite speed - because let's be clear, Musgrave has the elite speed part for TE...

Sucks now that Ben Sims was released but we might get to see if Josh Whyle is ready for some real game snaps for us...many don't realize it but he's seen a lot of games (28 games) in his first two years and last year amassed 28 catches for 248 yards and a TD...

He is an athlete and in shorts even is quicker in first ten yards than Musgrave....big body at 6'6' 248lbs....we don't need any one TE on our roster to replace Kraft, but collectively we need them to together for sure.

 

[gopkrs]

Musgrave could have had a monster game if Jordan would have looked his way on the very first play. He was so wide open. And he looks much more fluid to me right now. I think he'll do good in Kraft's absence which I can only hope won't be the rest of the year.

 

[tynimiller]

Musgrave could have had a monster game if Jordan would have looked his way on the very first play. He was so wide open. And he looks much more fluid to me right now. I think he'll do good in Kraft's absence which I can only hope won't be the rest of the year.

One thing Musgrave has always done well - is be productive in the passing game. I don't think his routes are as great as Kraft, but his raw speed is hard to match up as a defender if a LB and his size if a CB.

 

[milani]

This might be what you mean, but just so everyone knows Musgrave is not slow...issue is his routes are not precise and fluid...there isn't a world that exists where Kraft is faster than Musgrave, but the two might be shining examples of how precision in your footwork and decision making make up for elite speed - because let's be clear, Musgrave has the elite speed part for TE...

Sucks now that Ben Sims was released but we might get to see if Josh Whyle is ready for some real game snaps for us...many don't realize it but he's seen a lot of games (28 games) in his first two years and last year amassed 28 catches for 248 yards and a TD...

He is an athlete and in shorts even is quicker in first ten yards than Musgrave....big body at 6'6' 248lbs....we don't need any one TE on our roster to replace Kraft, but collectively we need them to together for sure.

If you watch the throw from Love to Musgrave yesterday Jordan had to take an extra moment to measure the throw perfectly. Musgrave got there but carefully had to secure it and take that extra step. Good fundamentals but if it had been Kraft Love would have made the throw a little sooner and Kraft grabs it and turns up field. What will result will be closer coverage and Love will have to look elsewhere or it will likely be incomplete. Now maybe defenses will forget about him.

 

[oompatailgate]

Today The Packers wear their 20s Era inspired Throwback unis when they face The Carolina Panthers. Hopefully this is not a Trap game as they already had one in the Browns. I expect The Pack take care of business today 31-14 Packers.

Also hope everyone enjoyed the extra hour of sleep when the clocks rolled back.

the game was more throwUP than throw back

 

[dhupfer]

Today The Packers wear their 20s Era inspired Throwback unis when they face The Carolina Panthers. Hopefully this is not a Trap game as they already had one in the Browns. I expect The Pack take care of business today 31-14 Packers.

Also hope everyone enjoyed the extra hour of sleep when the clocks rolled back.

The Pack deserved to lose the game for wearing those hideous throwback uniforms.

 

[DoURant]

Kraft is out for the season, per Adam Schefter, it was an ACL

 

[milani]

Kraft is out for the season, per Adam Schefter, it was an ACL

I harken back to 2010 and 2013. Jermichael Finley was destined for greatness when he went down mid-season in 2010. All we had was Andrew Quarless to fill his spot. And with all our other injuries that season appeared hopeless.
Then in 2013 our team started out well at 5-2. The Browns smash Finley's head into the ground ending his career at TE. It went downhill from there. Rodgers breaks his collar bone. Matthews gets hurt late in the season and it ended us.

 

[Packphin]

Mea culpa fellow cheeseheads. By the looks of it, I thought Kraft had a decent shot at escaping the ACL.
That Holiday Inn owes me money...

 

[OldSchool101]

This might be what you mean, but just so everyone knows Musgrave is not slow...issue is his routes are not precise and fluid...there isn't a world that exists where Kraft is faster than Musgrave, but the two might be shining examples of how precision in your footwork and decision making make up for elite speed - because let's be clear, Musgrave has the elite speed part for TE...

Sucks now that Ben Sims was released but we might get to see if Josh Whyle is ready for some real game snaps for us...many don't realize it but he's seen a lot of games (28 games) in his first two years and last year amassed 28 catches for 248 yards and a TD...

He is an athlete and in shorts even is quicker in first ten yards than Musgrave....big body at 6'6' 248lbs....we don't need any one TE on our roster to replace Kraft, but collectively we need them to together for sure.

oops. Sorry I replicated this @tynimiller I didn’t read until just now.

I’ll just add that many fans have to understand that musgrave was logging a 30% snap count and in addition was not THE focal point. Not to suggest that’s its snap for snap, but Kraft logged 86% of our snaps. Nearly triple the time Luke was on the field.

If Musgrave only doubles his snaps and logs 60-65% of our snaps or he even remotely becomes a focal point?his production will double to triple over what we’ve seen. It’s not by chance that when Kraft exits in 3rd Qtr that Musgrave has his season high 3/3 34 yards. If Musgrave earns a TE1 snap count? his 34 yards become 50-75 yards by default.

The ideal hope is although we can’t erase or rush away what has happened to Tucker.. that this becomes an opportunity on a silver platter for Musgrave in a reverse aspect. In 2024 it was Tuckers turn. Now it’s Luke’s show.
Can you imagine if Musgrave rises to the occasion? 350-400 yards (current is 88 yds) by seasons end (2-4 TD’s) We’d come into 2026 just stacked at TE. We could also be in prime position for a trade for Musgrave. Luckily we don’t need Musgrave to replicate Tucker. We need like 50% of that or a very doable number.

 

[tynimiller]

oops. Sorry I replicated this @tynimiller I didn’t read until just now.

No worries at all, different thread I believe no? Folks don't read everywhere and good thoughts shared are good thoughts shared.