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Packers re-sign TE Tory Humphrey

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  1. OregonPackFan

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    If he was such a great back Baltimore would have resigned him, instead the chose to go with McGahee who has more potential.

    It isn't hard to find a back that can rush 1000 yards, however if you want a feature back, like the Packers do, you want more than just a 1000 yard back.

    I think Morency could be a 1000 yard back with ease.
     
  2. flapackfan

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    Edgerrin James statistics
    2005 ind | 15 | 360 1506 4.2 13 | 44 337 7.7 1 |
    | 2006 ari | 16 | 337 1159 3.4 6 | 38 217 5.7 0

    from 4.2 yards per carry to 3.4, half as many touchdowns, less receiving yards, 350 less rushing yards. I guess hes washed up.

    Shaun Alexander statistics
    2005 sea | 16 | 370 1880 5.1 27 | 15 78 5.2 1 |
    | 2006 sea | 10 | 252 896 3.6 7 | 12 48 4.0 0 |

    5.1 yards per carry to 3.6, i guess he's washed up too.

    Time to cut these losers since they are past their prime.
     
  3. longtimefan

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    So how is Humphrey going to do this year anyways??

    Just to push others to get better, or a real shot of making the team?
     
  4. pack_in_black

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    Heh. Actually, your sarcasm makes a pretty legitimate point. It's the old 'RB over 30' syndrome. They shouldn't cut those guys by any means, but you look at the choice Indy made with Edge, it's smart. Shaun's contract isn't up, but if it was, you can bet Seattle would've let him test the market.
     
  5. OregonPackFan

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    and Jamal Lewis isn't even 30 yet, he's 28, however he has absorbed so many hits and is banged up, his body is like a 30 year old+ RB.

    Why do we want another team's banged up RB?
     
  6. porky88

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    It wouldn't shock me to see the Cardinals take Adrian Peterson at #5 if he's there and let go of James after this year.

    Alexander will bounce back though. He was just banged up all year.

    :twocents:
     
  7. OregonPackFan

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    yes there are some RBs that are good when they are 30 years and older, but Jamal Lewis numbers have been down for a long time.

    The knack I have on Adrian Peterson is his huge number of carries in college, over 700 and almost the double of any other college back.
     
  8. porky88

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    Lewis had a pretty good year last year and two sub par years the previous two. He's clealry on decline. However for the contract he signed he would of been a nice pickup.
     
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    I don't know if he's "clearly" on the decline. People numbers fluctuate all the time throughout there career. If Lewis is on the decline Moss is falling off a cliff.
     
  10. OregonPackFan

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    there's a difference between playing and not playing.
     
  11. pyledriver80

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    Care to elaborate on this?
     
  12. OregonPackFan

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    You know what I'm talking about.
     
  13. pyledriver80

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    No, I do not. If I did I probably wouldn't have asked
     
  14. OregonPackFan

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    Randy Moss missed games and took a lot of plays off last season.

    Although he had over 500 yards and 3 TDs.

    Before that his numbers have been excellent, he had a bad year,

    Jamal Lewis hasn't been the back he was in 3 seasons although he started all 16 games last season.
     
  15. pyledriver80

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    Randy Moss missed 3 games man. Yes, he took plays off mainly plays when he was on the field per his own admission.

    1998 Minnesota Vikings 16 11 69 1313 19.0 61 17 20 14 51
    1999 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 80 1413 17.7 67 11 26 8 52
    2000 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 77 1437 18.7 78 15 25 8 58
    2001 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 82 1233 15.0 73 10 14 4 59
    2002 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 106 1347 12.7 60 7 19 6 66
    2003 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 111 1632 14.7 72 17 27 6 76
    2004 Minnesota Vikings 13 13 49 767 15.7 82 13 11 6 43
    2005 Oakland Raiders 16 15 60 1005 16.8 79 8 15 4 46
    2006 Oakland Raiders 13 13 42 553 13.2 51 3 6 1 29


    Lewis

    2003 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 387 2066 5.3 82 14 16 83
    2004 Baltimore Ravens 12 12 235 1006 4.3 75 7 5 47
    2005 Baltimore Ravens 15 15 269 906 3.4 25 3 3 48
    2006 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 314 1132 3.6 52 9 3 46


    It seems that Lewis has missed games and still accumulated 2 1000 yard seasons in the last 3 years. Moss only averaged 42 yards a game last year.
     
  16. OregonPackFan

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    Jamal Lewis 2004 season was a good season, he missed 4 games and still got over a 1000 yards and had a good average gain per carry.

    However in the 2005 season he missed only one game, got only 906 yards, had more carries than the season before and his average went down to 3.4 yards per carry, this trend continued in 2006.

    If you see at his total carries, he has more than the number of carries most backs have when their productivity go down.

    Therefore I believe he's a banged up RB that is declining at a very young age, 28.

    You may not agree with me, but this is my argument and my opinion.
     
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    Uhhh, he actually improved last year so I am not sure how the trend continued.

    Perhaps you were looking at Moss's numbers.
     
  18. OregonPackFan

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    His trend with a low average gain to be precise.
     
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    ohhhh, ok thanks. :rubeyes:
     
  20. porky88

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    Are you really comparing two players who play two different positions? One on the team with the 2nd best record in the AFC and the other on the worst team in football?
     
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    I would guess you could answer this yourself by reading the posts.

    I was unaware that the Ravens had the 2nd best record in the AFC in 2004 and 2005. You want to toss around Moss's supporting cast lets look at Baltimores in 2004 and 2005. Two Words: Kyle Boller. Not hard to run a safety up in the box when you have no passing game.

    The point is if Jamal Lewis is on the decline because of his numbers than that means Moss is as well. Spin it how you want. Try to not let facts stand in the way though.
     
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    Go ahead and compare two different positions. Even though the Ravens were the superior team to the Raiders every year. Moss had 13 TD's in 13 games for the Vikings in 04 and I'm supposed to believe his decline started then? He had 1008 yards and 8 TD's in 2005 and that's a bad year for Randy Moss I guess but for anyone else it’s solid. Stop and think the reaction Packer fans would have if Robert Ferguson, Koren Robinson, or Greg Jennings put up those numbers this year? When I say stop and think I don’t mean it as an insult but rather than a serious notion. The bar for Moss is way to high now.

    He is definitely isn't as good as he was and of course he's declining but in terms of upside Moss > Lewis at least for the Packers. Now had Favre retired I might of wanted to go with the RB because a good running game tends to help along a young QB but Favre is playing again and a talent like Moss is something he could put good use too.

    Who would you rather have?

    Edit: Pyle if you could PM your answer. I'd really like to hear which one your would prefer.
     
  23. all about da packers

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    So guys, can Humphrey be a surprise and provide that fast pass-catching TE we need?
     
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    I don't have a problem with Moss in GB. My problem is stating that Jamal Lewis is on the downside of his career at 28 because he had 1 or 2 down years is ludacris. If that is a fair statement than Moss is DEFINITELY declining as well. It translate into "Jamal Lewis is not a Packer and Moss might be" so we will take this stance. If thats not it then your logic is twisted.

    As far as Moss goes, I wouldn't mind him coming to GB but for a forum full of people who are so concerned with "cap space" this would seem to be a goofy move. Blowing your cap on a WR when this team has 2-3 other spots that desperately need to be filled and would seem to be a higher priority may not be the wisest move. I know I will hear "Moss is a playmaker" and such but honestly he hasn't been even a shell of himself the last few years. It's not based on his stats its based on me watching him play. Hell, the Raider Fans would give em away. He doesn't play with any desire and takes plays off.

    IMO, Moss has been neutralized because defenses have figured out how to stop him. When Moss was in Minnesota how many times did Culpepper scramble around for 10 seconds and just chuck the ball up to let Randy go up and get it? Randy was good at stretching the field and outjumping people. Teams can give Safety help over the top and for whatever reason Moss can't seem to come down with it. I've seen Oakland try to do the same thing that Minnesota used to do and Moss just couldn't make the play he made with the Vikings. It wasn't Aaron Brooks or Andrew Walter it was Moss being unable to make the plays he used to make.

    Having said that, I want TT to do anything, so I don't object to Moss. It wasn't a priority a few weeks ago. I would have much rather stuck with Driver and Jennings and had TT address the RB,FB, and TE position. However, considering there is little to nothing left in FA from those 3 positions Moss is now the best player available to upgrade our team, other than Turner, who SD locked up. I just don't think it automatically turns us into a contender when we have been walking backwards since the end of last season.

    Moss would be a nice addition, but this isn't the Randy of old. Perhaps he can regain his form but I would argue he has degressed more than Lewis over the last few years. He is still an upgrade to the Packers and would give Brett an extra weapon, and due to TT's inactiveness this has become a "must do" instead of a luxury.
     
  25. longtimefan

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    How blunt does it have to be???


    This is Humphrey thread not a Moss, Lewis debate
     
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