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[SudsMcBucky]

Ah I see. I misused the term salary.

So we agree if we dropped or traded him today. The total dead cap would be roughly $25.5mil against 2026?

No, that is not correct. If we dropped/traded him TODAY, the 2026 cap hit is $17.0MM. If it's done after 6/1, the cap hit would be $8.5MM for each of 26 and 27.

 

[OldSchool101]

I Was hoping Gary's new team would like that extension idea....

Picture the new team giving a 2 year, $50 mil extension. Added to the two years at $17m/yr carried over from Greenbay. (After we absorbed $25.5mil dead cap).

He would be locked into the new team through 2030, at an average of $21m/yr for 4 years...... But in reality he will have made $110 million over those 4 years when figuring in his $25.5 mil dead cap GB paid at his last signing...

For that price, I'd say Gary brings some trade value. Honestly still think that dead and that players potential brings us a late 1st round value ..

I follow what you are saying.
At least up until the part that someone traded a Day1 for Gary. While I’d love that deal I don’t think it’s realistic.
That trading team would lose 5 years of Rookie $$. Even a later Day 1 gets you Jordan Love or Devonte Wyatt or Kenny Clark etc.

Rashan Gary turns 30yrs old next season (2027) which is creeping up fast. He’s coming off a mediocre season and specifically faded away over the last half year in 2025. He’s not a dominant player that can stand on an island. He could be great with a Crosby or Parsons or Bosa opposite. Yet he’s shown glimpses of regression from his peak.

I suspect in a trade we’d be looking at a best case scenario of a top 50 selection. That’s if all stars aligned. imo we’re talking in that top 75-125 draft pick. Such as a 3rd compensatory area in this upcoming draft. Maybe maybe a future 2nd rounder.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I follow what you are saying.
At least up until the part that someone traded a Day1 for Gary. While I’d love that deal I don’t think it’s realistic.
That trading team would lose 5 years of Rookie $$. Even a later Day 1 gets you Jordan Love or Devonte Wyatt or Kenny Clark etc.

Rashan Gary turns 30yrs old next season (2027) which is creeping up fast. He’s coming off a mediocre season and specifically faded away over the last half year in 2025. He’s not a dominant player that can stand on an island. He could be great with a Crosby or Parsons or Bosa opposite. Yet he’s shown glimpses of regression from his peak.

I suspect in a trade we’d be looking at a best case scenario of a top 50 selection. That’s if all stars aligned. imo we’re talking in that top 75-125 draft pick. Such as a 3rd compensatory area in this upcoming draft. Maybe maybe a future 2nd rounder.

I started on the idea of just salvaging a 4th round pick in a trade.

Bit then I realized what we paid for a guy like Parsons. Who is obviously at a different level. But at the same high value position.

The pros:

Gary is still young with lots of years left To play, and two years left on this current deal, which gives teams time to play him a while before extending him of they want. He has a decent injury history and shown streaks of elite production. (Let's not talk about the last 8 games) His salary is relatively high, but on par with above average players of his position.

A DC who watched Gary from college National championship years, through the blue chip grade in the draft. The game tape to watch in the NFL.... I suspect a DC would think Gary would flourish in their system? Which could be accurate considering the production he had when Parsons was in there.... Gary was cleaning up.... A team like Seattle might just allow Gary to evolve into that run stuffing, 15 sack a year DE, he was prospected to be.

Now consider GB, having Gary, and LVN already at the position.... Having just resigned out star DT. And sitting on minimal free cap space. Traded TWO unknown first round picks. Our star DT meaning we absorb a huge chunk of dead cap space. An additional $49 million a year for 4 years in salary.....

.....all to upgrade a DE position from borderline pro bowl to elite 1st team all pro?

That tells me, the value of production at that DE position.

Gary could be had for one known late 1st round pick, and, with a 2 year extension, less than half the cost $ wise, as parsons gets....

I don't want to under value Gary. I think a team would be lucky to have Gary instead of a unproven project late 1st round DE. Especially if a team like Seattle has the cap space, and is built to win now.... And picking 31st or 32nd overall.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Yes

No, that is not correct. If we dropped/traded him TODAY, the 2026 cap hit is $17.0MM. If it's done after 6/1, the cap hit would be $8.5MM for each of 26 and 27.

Yes that accounts for the $17.5m dead cap in 2026. But that's not counting the additional $8.5m dead cap that's still on the 2027 books. Which I'm told would be due at time of cutting /trading...

The 2027 dead cap listed of $8.5m is not a result of a post 6/1 release/trade being half of $17m. That's an additional $8.5m.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I follow what you are saying.
At least up until the part that someone traded a Day1 for Gary. While I’d love that deal I don’t think it’s realistic.
That trading team would lose 5 years of Rookie $$. Even a later Day 1 gets you Jordan Love or Devonte Wyatt or Kenny Clark etc.

Rashan Gary turns 30yrs old next season (2027) which is creeping up fast. He’s coming off a mediocre season and specifically faded away over the last half year in 2025. He’s not a dominant player that can stand on an island. He could be great with a Crosby or Parsons or Bosa opposite. Yet he’s shown glimpses of regression from his peak.

I suspect in a trade we’d be looking at a best case scenario of a top 50 selection. That’s if all stars aligned. imo we’re talking in that top 75-125 draft pick. Such as a 3rd compensatory area in this upcoming draft. Maybe maybe a future 2nd rounder.

Gary is 29? Dang I thought he was younger

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Yes

Yes that accounts for the $17.5m dead cap in 2026. But that's not counting the additional $8.5m dead cap that's still on the 2027 books. Which I'm told would be due at time of cutting /trading...

The 2027 dead cap listed of $8.5m is not a result of a post 6/1 release/trade being half of $17m. That's an additional $8.5m.

Again, you are reading Overthecap incorrectly. You're adding both the 2026 and 2027 lines if cut. That is NOT how you do it. If he's cut in 2026, it's just the 2026 line. The 2027 line is IF the Packers kept him in 2026 what his cap figures would look like just for 2027. You don't add that line if he's actually cut in 2026. Here's an easy way to think of his dead cap number. He still has $17.0MM left of his signing bonus that hasn't yet been account for in salary cap. If he's cut in 2026, all $17.0MM remaining hits the cap. If we keep him on his current contract, $8.5MM hits in 2026 because he'll still have 2027 for the remaining $8.5MM cap hit.

 

[OldSchool101]

I started on the idea of just salvaging a 4th round pick in a trade.

Bit then I realized what we paid for a guy like Parsons. Who is obviously at a different level. But at the same high value position.

The pros:

Gary is still young with lots of years left To play, and two years left on this current deal, which gives teams time to play him a while before extending him of they want. He has a decent injury history and shown streaks of elite production. (Let's not talk about the last 8 games) His salary is relatively high, but on par with above average players of his position.

A DC who watched Gary from college National championship years, through the blue chip grade in the draft. The game tape to watch in the NFL.... I suspect a DC would think Gary would flourish in their system? Which could be accurate considering the production he had when Parsons was in there.... Gary was cleaning up.... A team like Seattle might just allow Gary to evolve into that run stuffing, 15 sack a year DE, he was prospected to be.

Now consider GB, having Gary, and LVN already at the position.... Having just resigned out star DT. And sitting on minimal free cap space. Traded TWO unknown first round picks. Our star DT meaning we absorb a huge chunk of dead cap space. An additional $49 million a year for 4 years in salary.....

.....all to upgrade a DE position from borderline pro bowl to elite 1st team all pro?

That tells me, the value of production at that DE position.

Gary could be had for one known late 1st round pick, and, with a 2 year extension, less than half the cost $ wise, as parsons gets....

I don't want to under value Gary. I think a team would be lucky to have Gary instead of a unproven project late 1st round DE. Especially if a team like Seattle has the cap space, and is built to win now.... And picking 31st or 32nd overall.

Well sure and I agree he’s a starting level DE on any team. That in itself is valuable. He probably had 3-4 years left in the tank so he’s good for 1 more long contract imo. I could see someone trading a RD3 selection straight up or maybe a RD2 but with either a player or RD4-5 in return.

Davante Adams was best 5 at his position and value was a later RD1 and future RD2 (essentially a 1st/3rd)

I see Gary as more that Top 20-25 area DE. What he lacks in pure Sacks (27th tied) he makes up for in Run Defense. He’s not easily replaced, but the difference between Gary and someone like Van Ness is minimal to slight differential. On many teams he’s still only the #2 best Sack artist. You need to be a clear defined DE1 to net a RD1 selection imo.

Wyatt is about spot on target for a later Day1 on expectation at #28 overall.

Would we trade away:

(Day1)5 years of Wyatt at $5mil annual
(His average)

to get

3 years of Gary at $20mil annual?
(A new teams avg cap)


My personal answer is no.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

No, that is not correct. If we dropped/traded him TODAY, the 2026 cap hit is $17.0MM. If it's done after 6/1, the cap hit would be $8.5MM for each of 26 and 27.

Ok so I asked Google. And they said the same as you. That there was a total of $36m signing bonus. Divided equally over the 4 years contract.$8m/yr and some change.

I'm looking at the numbers the salary cap site gives me, and I can see what they are doing too. I just misinterpreted their numbers, believing the dead cap was per year, not gross for the remainder of the entire contract....

You are right x5 for each time you had to repeat yourself. Lol.

The structure of the signing bonus pay out was key to understanding what the numbers they have on the site, meant. I should have googled that much sooner. I will next time.

Or the site have a note saying that the dead cap noted on each year of contract, accounts for the entire dead cap of the contract, if the player is cut/traded that day....

I was also sort of surprised Gary didn't have more guaranteed money built in. $36m out of 96m...

 

[tynimiller]

Ok so I asked Google. And they said the same as you. That there was a total of $36m signing bonus. Divided equally over the 4 years contract.$8m/yr and some change.

I'm looking at the numbers the salary cap site gives me, and I can see what they are doing too. I just misinterpreted their numbers, believing the dead cap was per year, not gross for the remainder of the entire contract....

You are right x5 for each time you had to repeat yourself. Lol.

The structure of the signing bonus pay out was key to understanding what the numbers they have on the site, meant. I should have googled that much sooner. I will next time.

Or the site have a note saying that the dead cap noted on each year of contract, accounts for the entire dead cap of the contract, if the player is cut/traded that day....

I was also sort of surprised Gary didn't have more guaranteed money built in. $36m out of 96m...

That at least is quite consistent in GB other than QB and very few or very small short contracts of course.