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[gopkrs]

Yeah although I didn't think Gary played well with Parsons added. Gary, LVN, and others should have seen their sack count go up before Parsons' injury. Generally speaking, I don't think that happened, although LVN has missed at least 4 games, maybe more.

But Gary's lack of production isn't explained easily, IMO. Seems a given he won't be back next year.

At CB and DT/DE, Gluten has some significant personnel decisions to make this offseason. No first round picks this year and next either. (Well, the Parsons trade still weighed heavily in GB's favor.)

I just think Gary's lack of production stems from, for some reason, no one could teach him more than one rushing move. That, and, rightfully so, he realized part of his job was to contain. duhhh. Probably also, we don't run enough stunts to open him up. Never have. We don't run stunts to open anybody up. Or at least don't do it well.

 

[OldSchool101]

I just think Gary's lack of production stems from, for some reason, no one could teach him more than one rushing move. That, and, rightfully so, he realized part of his job was to contain. duhhh. Probably also, we don't run enough stunts to open him up. Never have. We don't run stunts to open anybody up. Or at least don't do it well.

Yes LVN was returning as Parsons injured. Gary had a super high snap count. Yet he ranked generally in the top 1/3 of Edge Rushers. He ranked top 20 in pressures (54) QB hits (12) and hurries (35). Yet he had the 36th most snaps out of 206 qualifying Edge players. Rashans’ 415 Pass Rush snaps were the 19th most in the league. So imo you SHOULD be around top 20 area because you had near maximum opportunities.
Meaning if I give you 600 Pass Rush snaps and it’s #1 most in the league. You shouldn’t rank #30 in many categories. Burning you got 200 pass rush snaps and it was 80th most snaps and you finish top 20? That’s explosive it highly efficient. Here it was an even exchange or he had efficiency, but not a world beater.

Gary is about to pop us for $28mil on our cap. If he works with us for a contract more in the $20mil annual area 3yrX62mil ($20.67 average) and then convert some to signing bonus to free funds for 2026/27 then there’s a world where we free $8mil+ annual cap and keep him closer $20m annual by essentially adding 2027 as security to stay in GB.

The fall back plan is we trade Gary (4th,5th RD estimate) and scrape $11Mil and move on.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Yes LVN was returning as Parsons injured. Gary had a super high snap count. Yet he ranked generally in the top 1/3 of Edge Rushers. He ranked top 20 in pressures (54) QB hits (12) and hurries (35). Yet he had the 36th most snaps out of 206 qualifying Edge players. Rashans’ 415 Pass Rush snaps were the 19th most in the league. So imo you SHOULD be around top 20 area because you had near maximum opportunities.
Meaning if I give you 600 Pass Rush snaps and it’s #1 most in the league. You shouldn’t rank #30 in many categories. Burning you got 200 pass rush snaps and it was 80th most snaps and you finish top 20? That’s explosive it highly efficient. Here it was an even exchange or he had efficiency, but not a world beater.

Gary is about to pop us for $28mil on our cap. If he works with us for a contract more in the $20mil annual area 3yrX62mil ($20.67 average) and then convert some to signing bonus to free funds for 2026/27 then there’s a world where we free $8mil+ annual cap and keep him closer $20m annual by essentially adding 2027 as security to stay in GB.

The fall back plan is we trade Gary (4th,5th RD estimate) and scrape $11Mil and move on.

With pass rushers at such a premium. And Gary's pedigree. I believe we might find a team willing to give a higher pick than a 4th .. Especially with GB covering a substantial portion of his cap the next two years on his current deal. Let the new team negotiate a long term extension with him. Gis e us a 2nd round or late 1st to a contender who loves Gary... Just not Detroit. Lol.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

With pass rushers at such a premium. And Gary's pedigree. I believe we might find a team willing to give a higher pick than a 4th .. Especially with GB covering a substantial portion of his cap the next two years on his current deal. Let the new team negotiate a long term extension with him. Gis e us a 2nd round or late 1st to a contender who loves Gary... Just not Detroit. Lol.

There ain't no way GB will eat most/all of his salary the next 2 years. At MOST, just 2026. 2027 is definitely cut. 2026 is borderline as they'd save $11.0MM cap if they cut/trade him pre 6/1 and $19.5MM if it's post 6/1.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

There ain't no way GB will eat most/all of his salary the next 2 years. At MOST, just 2026. 2027 is definitely cut. 2026 is borderline as they'd save $11.0MM cap if they cut/trade him pre 6/1 and $19.5MM if it's post 6/1.

GB is on the hook for $25.5 million no matter what. Weither we take that out of 2026, netting only +$3mil cap space, and being off the hook for 2027. Or splitting the dead cap over 2026 and 2027...

We can play him in 2026 too. That's a definite option.

I'm just looking at teams that are contenders, who want to win now. Some teams like Seattle or LA have lots of cap space. They can afford a blue chip rusher, instead of drafting and developing a potential one.... Gary is a proven commodity. Rookies aren't...

Like I don't think you could draft a DE as good as Gary in the late 2nd round. He probably brings a late 1st round replacement grade still... Like a team would need to draft a DE in the 1st to come close to what Gary brings to the table.

Now if you consider the new team is only on the hook for $34mil of the $60 mil Gary has coming over the next two years... The new team not only has stability and flexibility in his contract, and negotiations holding 2 years. They can easily extend him. Give him some guaranteed money, and probably average out a couple more years onto the deal.... Or play him a year and see how he fits in their house first.....

If I was a GM looking for a stud DE in a market that values DEs near the same level as a QB..... Locking in a blue chipper like Gary for average $23-25/yr for 4 years. Being the $34 they're taking over from the next two years. And a $60m extension for 2 more years. Gary making $23.5m a year for 4 years, average, from his new team. That's very reasonable.

I've talked around it 3 times. Lol. But All we need is Seattle, LA , or a contender to agree that Gary is worth the investment. They just have to believe he is capable of playing like he did the first half, instead of the 2nd half of the 2025 season. Then it's a good deal for everyone involved

 

[tynimiller]

GB is on the hook for $25.5 million no matter what. Weither we take that out of 2026, netting only +$3mil cap space, and being off the hook for 2027. Or splitting the dead cap over 2026 and 2027...

We can play him in 2026 too. That's a definite option.

I'm just looking at teams that are contenders, who want to win now. Some teams like Seattle or LA have lots of cap space. They can afford a blue chip rusher, instead of drafting and developing a potential one.... Gary is a proven commodity. Rookies aren't...

Like I don't think you could draft a DE as good as Gary in the late 2nd round. He probably brings a late 1st round replacement grade still... Like a team would need to draft a DE in the 1st to come close to what Gary brings to the table.

Now if you consider the new team is only on the hook for $34mil of the $60 mil Gary has coming over the next two years... The new team not only has stability and flexibility in his contract, and negotiations holding 2 years. They can easily extend him. Give him some guaranteed money, and probably average out a couple more years onto the deal.... Or play him a year and see how he fits in their house first.....

If I was a GM looking for a stud DE in a market that values DEs near the same level as a QB..... Locking in a blue chipper like Gary for average $23-25/yr for 4 years. Being the $34 they're taking over from the next two years. And a $60m extension for 2 more years. Gary making $23.5m a year for 4 years, average, from his new team. That's very reasonable.

I've talked around it 3 times. Lol. But All we need is Seattle, LA , or a contender to agree that Gary is worth the investment. They just have to believe he is capable of playing like he did the first half, instead of the 2nd half of the 2025 season. Then it's a good deal for everyone involved

I am in the camp of if Parsons was healthy you move Gary without thought but I can see us doing a Preston Smith type extension and like him possibly he only sees a season and then moved.

He cannot hit our cap at his current IMO and I don't think he does.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I am in the camp of if Parsons was healthy you move Gary without thought but I can see us doing a Preston Smith type extension and like him possibly he only sees a season and then moved.

He cannot hit our cap at his current IMO and I don't think he does.

Curious what LVNs market value will be? I'd like to keep him. Seems to still be in a uptrend in his development.

Gleutes sure stacked this roster full of talent. He must lose a lot of sleep wondering how he is going to keep it that way. All those home grown players looking for deals over the next 2 years.

GB really has done an amazing job keeping their dead cap down to a minimum. Clark was the only dead cap in 2025, at $18 million. That was part of the parsons deal.... With that trend in mind. I'm guessing Gary stays, and Jenkins is the only one to be sacrificed to give GB a little wiggle room to keep another player like LB Walker....

 

[tynimiller]

Curious what LVNs market value will be? I'd like to keep him. Seems to still be in a uptrend in his development.

Gleutes sure stacked this roster full of talent. He must lose a lot of sleep wondering how he is going to keep it that way. All those home grown players looking for deals over the next 2 years.

GB really has done an amazing job keeping their dead cap down to a minimum. Clark was the only dead cap in 2025, at $18 million. That was part of the parsons deal.... With that trend in mind. I'm guessing Gary stays, and Jenkins is the only one to be sacrificed to give GB a little wiggle room to keep another player like LB Walker....

That's a discussion not even needed. He's still under contract for 2026 and I am betting we pick up his 5th year option for 2027

 

[SudsMcBucky]

GB is on the hook for $25.5 million no matter what. Weither we take that out of 2026, netting only +$3mil cap space, and being off the hook for 2027. Or splitting the dead cap over 2026 and 2027...

Actually, we're only on the hook for $17.0MM no matter what. However, if it were me, I'd probably still keep him for 2026 considering Parsons won't be back for a bit, as it would be very costly to both eat his $17MM cap hit AND find a replacement. The 1 option if the Packers don't want him for 2026 is to cut/trade post 6/1 which would lower the cap to $8.5MM for each of 26 and 27 instead of it all hitting 26.

 

[tynimiller]

Curious what LVNs market value will be? I'd like to keep him. Seems to still be in a uptrend in his development.

Gleutes sure stacked this roster full of talent. He must lose a lot of sleep wondering how he is going to keep it that way. All those home grown players looking for deals over the next 2 years.

GB really has done an amazing job keeping their dead cap down to a minimum. Clark was the only dead cap in 2025, at $18 million. That was part of the parsons deal.... With that trend in mind. I'm guessing Gary stays, and Jenkins is the only one to be sacrificed to give GB a little wiggle room to keep another player like LB Walker....

Dead cap hit for 2025 cap included four guys over $1,000,000

Kenny Clark at $18,065,000
Jaire Alexander at $17,401,410
Preston Smith at $9,881,000
De'Vondre Campbell at $7,971,000

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

That's a discussion not even needed. He's still under contract for 2026 and I am betting we pick up his 5th year option for 2027

I see.... Yea I was thinking more into the future of 2027 and beyond. The moves we make in 2027 will be dictated by the moves we make now. If we plan to keep LVN, or Cooper, or Kraft, or..... we need to make sure the cap space is there when the time comes....

If it comes down to making the decision of, if GB keeps Gary for 2026? Do we lose someone we would otherwise keep in 2027?

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Actually, we're only on the hook for $17.0MM no matter what. However, if it were me, I'd probably still keep him for 2026 considering Parsons won't be back for a bit, as it would be very costly to both eat his $17MM cap hit AND find a replacement. The 1 option if the Packers don't want him for 2026 is to cut/trade post 6/1 which would lower the cap to $8.5MM for each of 26 and 27 instead of it all hitting 26.

GB has a list of home grown stars coming up for contracts in 2027. We need to have a deep stack of cash ready for that...

When I looked, Gary is due $59 or $60 million over the next two years. $25.5 would be dead if cut now. $33.5 saved over the next two years... Basically $11m in 2026, and $22mil cleared up in $2027.

Spreading the dead cap out over to 2027 with a post 6/1 move, only makes 2027 that much harder to keep our core guys.

The move that makes sense to me is trade him now. Get a draft pick for him....then absorb the cap space in 2026. We would only clear $3 or $4mil for 2026. But we would clear an extra $32mil for 2027. That's the money we would be using to keep Walker/Cooper together.... Or keep Kraft, and Watson together. To keep Nixon or Reed....

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Dead cap hit for 2025 cap included four guys over $1,000,000

Kenny Clark at $18,065,000
Jaire Alexander at $17,401,410
Preston Smith at $9,881,000
De'Vondre Campbell at $7,971,000

Ah I see. The cap website I was looking at only listed Clarks $18mil.

$43mil dead cap isn't very good.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

When I looked, Gary is due $59 or $60 million over the next two years. $25.5 would be dead if cut now. $33.5 saved over the next two years... Basically $11m in 2026, and $22mil cleared up in $2027.

This is not correct at all. If Gary is cut today, the cap hit for 26 is $17.0MM. If he's cut post 6/1, he counts $8.5MM for each of 26 and 27. He's only due a total of $60.0MM total the next 2 years if he's actually kept on the roster as you're counting base salaries for each of those years ($18.0MM in 26 and $21.0MM) additional for each of 26 and 27. However, that additional $39.0MM is NOT due if we decide to move on.

 

[Capitol 8805]

Gary disappeared the second half of the season. I would cut Gary re-sign Kingsley Enagbare, and Brenton Cox, pair them with LVN, Oliver, Sorrell, and a draft pick that group can stabilize the position until Micah comes back. Gary was just plain awful. That money designated for Gary can be spent on other positions.

 

[tynimiller]

Gary disappeared the second half of the season. I would cut Gary re-sign Kingsley Enagbare, and Brenton Cox, pair them with LVN, Oliver, Sorrell, and a draft pick that group can stabilize the position until Micah comes back. Gary was just plain awful. That money designated for Gary can be spent on other positions.

Awful...nah. Great or worthy of his pay - absolutely not. He was still almost averaging 4 pressures a game down the stretch, just couldn't get home. Cutting him would be mismanagement - even moving him like we did Preston would make more sense, and he is better now than Preston was when we traded him.

 

[gopkrs]

Gary disappeared the second half of the season. I would cut Gary re-sign Kingsley Enagbare, and Brenton Cox, pair them with LVN, Oliver, Sorrell, and a draft pick that group can stabilize the position until Micah comes back. Gary was just plain awful. That money designated for Gary can be spent on other positions.

I'd think you could trade him for something. But I agree that he's never turned into the player we all hoped he would. Never could learn another rush move. Seems like coaches could have worked with him more. But maybe

 

[OldSchool101]

Actually, we're only on the hook for $17.0MM no matter what. However, if it were me, I'd probably still keep him for 2026 considering Parsons won't be back for a bit, as it would be very costly to both eat his $17MM cap hit AND find a replacement. The 1 option if the Packers don't want him for 2026 is to cut/trade post 6/1 which would lower the cap to $8.5MM for each of 26 and 27 instead of it all hitting 26.

Sure. Yet another idea is to resign Enagbare and Cox Jr IF they are reasonable $$. I’m talking <=
$5-7Mil annual for the pair. We also still have Sorrell entering his Sophomore campaign.

Scrape the $11Mil from Gary and use it to resign players like Niemann, Enagbare, Cox Jr, E Wilson etc.

The other argument? I do think Gary being our selection combined with him being a team guy, along with him being a very efficient Run Defender makes him desirable. Just not at $25-26Mil cap hits. Get him restructured to keep him for 2 years and more in the $18-20 average neighborhood. That frees up ~$6-7mil this year alone. That’s likely Enagbare or Cox Jr both resigned on short deals.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

This is not correct at all. If Gary is cut today, the cap hit for 26 is $17.0MM. If he's cut post 6/1, he counts $8.5MM for each of 26 and 27. He's only due a total of $60.0MM total the next 2 years if he's actually kept on the roster as you're counting base salaries for each of those years ($18.0MM in 26 and $21.0MM) additional for each of 26 and 27. However, that additional $39.0MM is NOT due if we decide to move on.

The way I understand it, is the signing bonus is up front, pre-paid guaranteed money in his original contract, due at signing. But spread out over the duration of the contract.

That money is what is dead cap, if GB decides to move on in any way, before the contract of done.

What I read on "over the cap" is 2026 $28mil salary, has roughly has $17mil dead, and $11 mil of salary saved, we wouldn't have to pay.

2027 is a salary of additional $31mil... $8.5 mil of which is dead cap we have to pay in 2026, if we drop him before 6/1... And the salary we don't have to pay shows $22mil and some change. Or savings....

So the $17 mil dead for 26, and the $8.5m dead for 27 equals a total of $25.5mil dead if we trade or cut him now. That would all come off our 2026 salary cap if the move is done before 6/1. Meaning out of his $28m currently owed on the books for 2026. $25.5 mil of that would be burnt up in dead cap space.... Unless we spread the debt out post 6/1, and split the dead cap to $13m/yr for 26, and $13 for 27...

$11 mil cap space returned in 26, and $22 mil cap space returned for 27. In salary we don't have to pay. But if we cover the entire $25.5 dead cap pre-6/1 in a trade or cut. That means 2027 is free and clear. All $31mil for 2027 would be free and clear.

$17 dead for 26, and $8.5m dead for 27 is both dead. Not $8.5m dead each 26 and 27. splitting $17m between 26 and 27. It's a total of roughly $25.5 dead.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

The way I understand it, is the signing bonus is up front, pre-paid guaranteed money in his original contract, due at signing. But spread out over the duration of the contract.

That money is what is dead cap, if GB decides to move on in any way, before the contract of done.

What I read on "over the cap" is 2026 $28mil salary, has roughly has $17mil dead, and $11 mil of salary saved, we wouldn't have to pay.

2027 is a salary of additional $31mil... $8.5 mil of which is dead cap we have to pay in 2026, if we drop him before 6/1... And the salary we don't have to pay shows $22mil and some change. Or savings....

So the $17 mil dead for 26, and the $8.5m dead for 27 equals a total of $25.5mil dead if we trade or cut him now. That would all come off our 2026 salary cap if the move is done before 6/1. Meaning out of his $28m currently owed on the books for 2026. $25.5 mil of that would be burnt up in dead cap space.... Unless we spread the debt out post 6/1, and split the dead cap to $13m/yr for 26, and $13 for 27...

$11 mil cap space returned in 26, and $22 mil cap space returned for 27. In salary we don't have to pay. But if we cover the entire $25.5 dead cap pre-6/1 in a trade or cut. That means 2027 is free and clear. All $31mil for 2027 would be free and clear.

$17 dead for 26, and $8.5m dead for 27 is both dead. Not $8.5m dead each 26 and 27. splitting $17m between 26 and 27. It's a total of roughly $25.5 dead.

You're getting closer but his 2027 salary is not $31MM. $21MM would be his base if kep for 2027. His TOTAL cap hit would be the $31MM, which includes the $8.5MM part of his signing bonus.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

You're getting closer but his 2027 salary is not $31MM. $21MM would be his base if kep for 2027. His TOTAL cap hit would be the $31MM, which includes the $8.5MM part of his signing bonus.

Over the cap shows his cap hit at $31mil. $8.5 dead, and .22.5 salary. The salary is what we get back. The dead is dead cap added onto the theoretical 2026 dead cap of $17m.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Sure. Yet another idea is to resign Enagbare and Cox Jr IF they are reasonable $$. I’m talking <=
$5-7Mil annual for the pair. We also still have Sorrell entering his Sophomore campaign.

Scrape the $11Mil from Gary and use it to resign players like Niemann, Enagbare, Cox Jr, E Wilson etc.

The other argument? I do think Gary being our selection combined with him being a team guy, along with him being a very efficient Run Defender makes him desirable. Just not at $25-26Mil cap hits. Get him restructured to keep him for 2 years and more in the $18-20 average neighborhood. That frees up ~$6-7mil this year alone. That’s likely Enagbare or Cox Jr both resigned on short deals.

I Was hoping Gary's new team would like that extension idea....

Picture the new team giving a 2 year, $50 mil extension. Added to the two years at $17m/yr carried over from Greenbay. (After we absorbed $25.5mil dead cap).

He would be locked into the new team through 2030, at an average of $21m/yr for 4 years...... But in reality he will have made $110 million over those 4 years when figuring in his $25.5 mil dead cap GB paid at his last signing...

For that price, I'd say Gary brings some trade value. Honestly still think that dead and that players potential brings us a late 1st round value ..

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Over the cap shows his cap hit at $31mil. $8.5 dead, and .22.5 salary. The salary is what we get back. The dead is dead cap added onto the theoretical 2026 dead cap of $17m.

I understand dead cap, prior signing bonus, and that particular year's salary. Above, you specifically said his 2027 salary is an ADDITIONAL $31.0MM, which is absolutely incorrect. I tried to explain how $31.0MM is the TOTAL if he's actually kept on roster, but his ADDITIONAL salary if kept for 2027 is $21MM, not $31MM.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

I understand dead cap, prior signing bonus, and that particular year's salary. Above, you specifically said his 2027 salary is an ADDITIONAL $31.0MM, which is absolutely incorrect. I tried to explain how $31.0MM is the TOTAL if he's actually kept on roster, but his ADDITIONAL salary if kept for 2027 is $21MM, not $31MM.

Ah I see. I misused the term salary.

So we agree if we dropped or traded him today. The total dead cap would be roughly $25.5mil against 2026?

 

[gopkrs]

I think in Rashon's instance, the thing to keep our focus on is finding a trading partner and getting something in return for him. Time to move on. The dead cap is what it is. If we could pay it all this year... probably better. But we need draft picks or players imho. And we could end up a better team if we just traded out for a O lineman, DT or CB. Although Gute recently said he is happy with the CB room.