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Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by TCHickman24, Mar 15, 2014.

  1. AmishMafia

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    Welcome!

    A subtraction from the Bears fan base and addition to the Packer fan base is acceptable!

    Not sure how old your quotes are. I understand that Peppers can be a dominant player in the past. Where would you currently put him at? Certainly at 32 he must have tailed off a bit.

    PS: The Packers are bigger than any player in the mind of most of us Packer fans. There are still a few Favre fans here who post just because the hate Ted Thompson - our GM. I have no problem with fans of a single player. Hope during Peppers probably short stay here - 2-5 years and subsequent retirement - you stay a Packer fan.
     
  2. PredatorPeppers

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  3. AmishMafia

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    My post in response to your first post.

    Predator, thanks for all the info!
     
  4. PredatorPeppers

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    As long as Peppers is there, I will cheer hard for the Packers! I actually am a fan of another team due to living in close proximity of that team, they're the home team so to speak, but I have always liked the Packers as one my favorite teams, my grandfather liked them, my uncle likes them, and I had a Packers helmet growing up as a kid that I would wear to play backyard football with. :)
     
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  5. PredatorPeppers

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    Your welcome friend. :)
     
  6. brandon2348

    brandon2348 GO PACK GO!

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    Of course Byrd is better then anyone on current roster by miles, but this whole "Byrd or bust" thing is ridiculous. I am sure TT has a plan for safety. Burnett has to start due to contract, I am hoping he brings in Chris Clemons and gets someone in draft.
     
  7. PredatorPeppers

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    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/panthers/2006-11-22-peppers-cover_x.htm
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/11/14/aikman-peppers-is-a-game-changer/
    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...118_1_three-technique-famer-dan-hampton-bears

    Dan Hampton:
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2010/11/29/hampton-peppers-is-leader-of-defense/
    Dan Hampton:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/01/18/nfl-all-pro-team/index.html
    Peter King:
    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2011-07-04-top-10-defensive-ends_n.htm
    Deacon Jones:
    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/3656/rexs-favorite-bear
    Rex Ryan:
    http://deadspin.com/5611609/brian-urlacher-thinks-julius-peppers-is-the-best-player-hes-ever-seen
    Brian Urlacher:
    http://www.yardbarker.com/
    Lovie Smith:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5900330
    Lovie Smith:
    Bill Belichick:
    Tom Brady:
    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4667827/angelos-thoughts-on-lovie-peppers-and-more
    Jerry Angelo:
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B02EFD8113DF932A3575BC0A9669D8B63
    Michael Strahan:

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...cago--20111202_1_peppers-israel-idonije-sacks
    http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/deep-article-julius-peppers-786596/
    Howie Long:
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/every-play-counts/2006/every-play-counts-julius-peppers
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ys-peppersbears011411
     
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  8. PredatorPeppers

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    The plan will be Calvin Pryor in the draft imo.
     
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  9. gthog61

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    Peppers played 81% of the snaps last year. He won't have to play nearly as many for us (nobody else does) so he should be able to be kept fresh. He has also been sturdy throughout his career. It's basiccaly a one year deal unless it goes well so I like it.
     
  10. ThxJackVainisi

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    Where are the stats comparing the success/failure of the different alignments Capers has used? It’s not enough to say the 2-4 was used the majority of the time without knowing how that alignment compared with others. How do you know the 3-4 was more successful and what were the differences in down and distance? And you continue to exaggerate by not taking Capers entire tenure in Green Bay into account, including the 2012 regular season. BTW I missed your analysis of the Packers D vs. San Fran in the most recent playoff game. Did that look like “obviously disasterous” considering the players missing?

    Again, I advocated firing Capers but focusing on the 2-4 and exaggerating its impact is misplaced IMO. Over the past three seasons who were the classic 3-4 DEs that Capers could have started and left on the field in passing situations? Raji the way he’s played the past three years? (Having Raji start at DE was a sign they didn’t have traditional 3-4 DEs to play there. IMO the best thing about re-signing Raji is (1) it’s a one year deal and (2) he’s moving back to NT.) Did you want CJ Wilson at DE on passing downs? Jolly added a spark but his conditioning wouldn’t allow him to lead the DL in snaps. Where did their best pass rushing DL Daniels fit in the traditional 3-4? IMO his best spot by far is lining up inside but he certainly isn’t a NT. And what does the DC do with ‘tweeners like Mike Neal and Nick Perry? He stands them up on the LOS in the 2-4-5. Would it be better if they were in the same alignment only with their hand on the ground? No. Having players like Neal and Perry put their hand on the ground and then (on occasion) asking them to drop back in coverage ala a zone blitz would make it even harder for them in coverage – something both struggle with anyway. On most downs the 2-4-5 is used the OLBs rush the passer or set the edge so it is in effect a 4-2-5 with (supposedly) more athletic and versatile “DEs” than a 4-3. And what is a 4-2-5? That’s right, the traditional nickel alignment. Since you continue to harp on the 2-4, let us know which DL should have played the 3-man line the majority of the time over the past three seasons.

    Better questions IMO are how often did the DC send more than 4 rushers and how effective were those blitzes? How about when he rushed fewer than 4 relying on coverage? The supposed advantage of the 2-4-5 is the unpredictability of where the pass rushers are coming from so one of my biggest criticisms of Capers is not using the unpredictability of the 2-4 enough. From what we’ve heard this off season I believe McCarthy has told Capers to correct that and that should mean moving Matthews, and now Peppers, around more. And with Daniels and (hopefully) an ascending player or two from the group of Datone, Neal, Perry, Worthy, a rookie? Capers should be able to get consistent pressure just sending 4. That has been the case in San Fran and Seattle but definitely hasn’t been the case, personnel-wise, in Green Bay. It’s no coincidence defenses that do that (get pressure without blitzing) do very well in the NFL.

    BTW, with the addition of Peppers, Capers may have the personnel to line up in a 3-4 more often. Peppers, Raji and Jones, if Datone starts TC as he did last season (before the injury) and continues to improve. I don't expect Peppers to play 80% of the snaps but that kind of lineup, with legit 3-4 DEs was not an option at all for Capers last season. Not even close.

    If they are relatively healthy, there is no reason the defense shouldn’t be significantly better this season. I expect a top 10 D in scoring (since they were 11th in 2012 and should be better IMO). In addition to an improved pass rush, a play making Hayward should be back 100%. There will be a better safety starting next to Burnett (how could there not be?) and the draft is likely to bring in a contributor on defense (rookies Hyde and Hayward were in their rookie seasons the last two drafts). I too have expressed concern on this forum about Capers’ track record of immediate success with a franchise and then his Ds dropping off. I think the table will be set for him to engineer a resurgence on defense (aided by a running game and healthy Rodgers that should help keep the pressure off of the D) and if he doesn’t, he should be gone.

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    I don’t have a problem with anyone mentioning Reggie White but IMO he is the greatest defensive player in the history of the game. As great as he was rushing the passer, he was equally great against the run. We Packers fans should keep in mind Reggie had already played 10 seasons of professional football before he arrived in Green Bay. Look at his entire pro career and no one comes close IMO.
     
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  11. PredatorPeppers

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    I believe even though Peppers is 34 years old, he is such a freak athlete that he can play well until he is near 40 much like Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Chris Doleman, Kevin Greene, etc.

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/ar...a-number/fcc1ee1f-d875-477a-a680-511fa190c271

    They say Father Time is undefeated, but
    Julius Peppers isn't about to concede anything. The Bears defensive end is 33 years old, but insists he feels much younger.

    "I feel like I'm 25," Peppers said. "Age is just a number that gets put on players. It's real, but it's really in your heart and mind how you feel. I feel young in those places, and I think it's showing."
     
  12. Pack....man!!!

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    Peppers is still a very good DE, yeah he is 34 but i think he has plenty in the tank.


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  13. FrankRizzo

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    Uh-Oh, IVO is going to hunt down Aikman and kick is arse.
    Comparing Julius Peppers to Reggie White? What the hell does Aikman know?
     
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    Peppers and Matthews rushing together is going to be terrifying for opposing teams QB's.

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  16. wist43

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    In the last 2 SF games Capers has played more 3-4 than against any other team. And the results were far better.

    Go back and look at the SF playoff debacle, and you'll see the Niners just eating the 2-4 alive. Capers played more 3-4 in the next game, the season opener, and we shut down the run, but gave up 412 yds passing.

    Out of 72 plays in that game, Capers ran the 2-4 or 1-5, 22 times. The results were, 4 punts, 10 first downs, a TD, and a FG - but the FG wasn't a stop due to the 2-4, it was a stop due to the 3-4, as we had a TFL of -7 out of the 3-4, and the Niners then had a 5 yd penalty. On third and goal from the 22, they gained 14 yds against the 2-4, and then kicked the FG.

    Out of those plays, we gave up 225 yds - which is an average of 10.23 yds/play.

    Futhermore, one of my chief complaints about the 2-4, is that Capers plays it on early downs, or downs that could be either/or.

    On 1st and 2nd down in that game, or 3rd and 5 or less, there were 7 such plays where Capers ran a 2-4. On those 7 plays, we gave up, 115 yds, and had 1 sack.

    That's an average of 16.43 yds/play on those downs.

    I agree that TT has not provided traditional 3-4 personnel - but that only means that Capers has to find a way to make it work. We certainly did have enough 3-4 personnel that could run a traditional 3-4 last year though. Pickett and Jolly are both effective 2-gappers, and anyone of Raji, Jolly, CJ Wilson, D. Jones, and Boyd could play DE in a rotation.

    As for subpackages, the best approach would be a 3-3 nickel that allows the most talent on the field in those situations. I would save Daniels for subpackages only; I would not play Perry at OLB at all, and would save him for DE in a 3-3 front; and while I would play D.Jones some in the base, I would have looked at a 3-3 alignment D. Jones, Daniels, and Perry with their hands on the ground; Matthews and Neal at OLB; and any combination of Hawk, B. Jones, or Mulumba as the 3rd LB, depending on opponent, down/distance, etc.

    Now with Peppers, I would hope to see a 3-3 of Peppers, Daniels, and D.Jones/Perry as down linemen, with Matthews, Neal, and Hawk/B. Jones/Mulumba.

    I would also look at an honest 4-2, with 4 down linemen, and Matthews with any one of Hawk/Neal/B. Jones/ and Mulumba at the other LB.

    I do not agree that the 2-4 is really a 4-2. Our 2-4 is very static. The OLB's always rush upfield, and the DT's very rarely stunt. It's a 4 man rush, but it's very predictable and offers no flexibility. Worse still, is the fact that Hawk and B. Jones are always on the field - they don't come off in the 2-4; whereas in a 4-2, at least one of those guys will be on the bench - a good thing.

    Capers is great at dialing up creative blitizes, he just doesn't do it very often out of the 2-4, and the personnel he has on the field severely limit the possibilies. Brad Jones and AJ Hawk are both substandard players, and are a big reason why the 2-4 as run by the Packers is so bad.

    We would have infinitely better options from a 3-3, and the personnel on the field are much better suited to generating pass rush.
     
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  17. PFanCan

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    As we have already discussed in another thread, Jack, I am less surprised, but totally agree that this is a gamble. It's not a guarantee and may be a wasted $8M this year. But, I like it never the less. It's what I was yearning for. I hope it pays off.
     
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    Hell, AND he's a lefty!!!
     
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    Hopefully he didn't pull a hammy signing the contract. He is a Packer now after all!
     
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    Peppers deal is for three years and $28 million, including $1 million in bonuses each of the last two seasons that he has to earn.

    This means a cap hit of $3.5 million this year, $12 million in 2015 and $10.5 million in 2016.
     
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    The following is how he has graded out the past 4 years for 4-3 DEs according to PFF

    2013 - 36th
    2012 - 18th
    2011 - 7th
    2010 - 3rd
     
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  23. longtimefan

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    Hey this is a Pepper thread...
     
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    Wow what a funny one.
    Yes even the captions.

    I notice you ignored the part about Aikman mentioning Reggie & Peppers in the same sentence even though you in sulted me or anyone if we even compared the two signings/players.
     

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