also on the pass play quarless was wide open on the out route but rodgers didn't see him i guess, but rodgers had time
I just finished watching the game replay with the opportunity to run replays multiple times.
Mayock has it exactly right. The key to this game was our O-Line getting beat like a rug. Besides Lacy getting dumped for the safety on a botched pull by Lang, there were several pulling run plays where Detroit easily blew up the run. I noted one Lacy pitch where both Bulaga on the DE and Lang pulling into second level both whiffed.
If McCarthy wants to call out Lacy for the fumble, fine. But to make the blanket "he needs to play better" overlooks the obvious cause. On the bright side, our man-up zone blocking runs between the tackles fared pretty well. Poor planning and play calling in the run game gets a -1.
Mayock touched on the second issue...Detroit able to bring consistent pressure with 4 men.
As far Rodgers goes, I counted 2 passes I would categorize as "innacurate", while counting at least 4 drops...maybe more since it is difficult to determine in some cases if the ball was defended. He put it where it needed to be, but the job gets difficult against 7 men in zone.
By the way, I doubt Levy had the stats to be named Defensive Player of the Week (they like to give that to guys with sacks and INTs), but he played one heck of a game.
Rodgers is going through his progression right-to-left. As he scans to the middle of the field he sees Lang flat on is **** and Suh staring him the face. He looks to escape right and there's Fairly staring him in the face. The window to hit Quarless is open for a couple tenths of a second as the speedy Levy is closing on him. You cannot expect a cross field throw to the 3rd. guy in the progression under this kind of rush.also on the pass play quarless was wide open on the out route but rodgers didn't see him i guess, but rodgers had time
Rodgers is going through his progression right-to-left. As he scans to the middle of the field he sees Lang flat on is **** and Suh staring him the face. He looks to escape right and there's Fairly staring him in the face. The window to hit Quarless is open for a couple tenths of a second as the speedy Levy is closing on him. You cannot expect a cross field throw to the 3rd. guy in the progression under this kind of rush.
Sure...if the opening happens to sync with the progression which takes a little more time than what we saw there. I think his move right into Fairly as Lang fell down was to get out in some space to target the crossing receiver from the left. When the blocking is bad you blame the blocking.I've seen Rodgers make that throw.
Sure...if the opening happens to sync with the progression which takes a little more time than what we saw there. I think his move right into Fairly as Lang fell down was to get out in some space to target the crossing receiver from the left. When the blocking is bad you blame the blocking.
The key issue here is we did not run the ball enough between the tackles and make the front 4 respect the run, consequently we couldn't get Rodgers his bread and butter...play action.
I were to single out one individual for this loss it would be Campen. And Lang had a pretty dreadful game, with Bulaga not much better. At least Bulaga has an excuse, such as he probably shouldn't be on the field to begin with.
By the way, does everybody believe the 4th. and 5 to Nelson in the end zone wasn't dropped? I've seen Nelson make that catch before.
I were to single out one individual for this loss it would be Campen.
Yeah Jordy does and I have seen Rodgers throw that one better too. I don't think the game should of came down to that play though. Not the way our defense played. McCarthy called a horrible game IMO. Yeah the blocking was bad and there is limitations to what we could of done but isn't that his job to form a game plan and make adjustments to that as the game plays out?
I am starting to get frustrated because this started in Seattle when he played half the field and avoided there right side because of Sherman. I am not saying we should be 3-0 but I think he has "stubbornly and conservatively" coached this team to 1-2. Now we kind of have a must win game against Chicago.
That was a pretty darn good throw. It was out in front of the trailing Levy and low enough so as not be tipped by the crossing safety.
McCarthy's play calling is another one of those zen-like "your greatest strength is your greatest weakness" things. When you're as obsessed with process, planning and detail as he is it's hard for him to go away from the plan when it isn't working. Nobody will ever call him creative or on-the-fly inventive.
The defense played OK, certainly good enough to win the game. Clearly the strength is in the secondary coverage. While they kept Detroit out of the end zone, they they did not have much trouble moving the ball. I believe we lack an enforcer at the ILB position and don't have sufficient speed in the OLBs to make these 2-5 and 4-3 looks work as they should.
The line gave Rodgers enough time for QUICK THROWS that would move the chains and keep the dline honest in the run game. The lions have a strong dline; everybody knows that. ANY offensive line is rolling the dice if they want to try to throw deep balls against three legit non-bust top ten picks on the dline. Our oline will never be so good that Rodgers will have all day to sit back against the lions. What we need is for Rodgers and McCarthy to do the boring stuff of a little slant here and a screen there and then a zone run and rinse and repeat and then, maybe when we're moving the ball and have the defense guessing a bit we can try a deep ball. I always hated how Favre would just wing the damned ball around and now Rodgers won't take the short throw or throw the damned thing away. If he plays smart and takes incompletions instead of sacks the whole game would have gone better and the oline wouldn't have looked so bad. When you take a sack and it's thrid and long then you're giving the defense a gift because then they know what's coming and they're really, really good at rushing with just four.
That was a pretty darn good throw. It was out in front of the trailing Levy and low enough so as not be tipped by the crossing safety.
The line gave Rodgers enough time for QUICK THROWS that would move the chains and keep the dline honest in the run game. The lions have a strong dline; everybody knows that. ANY offensive line is rolling the dice if they want to try to throw deep balls against three legit non-bust top ten picks on the dline. Our oline will never be so good that Rodgers will have all day to sit back against the lions. What we need is for Rodgers and McCarthy to do the boring stuff of a little slant here and a screen there and then a zone run and rinse and repeat and then, maybe when we're moving the ball and have the defense guessing a bit we can try a deep ball. I always hated how Favre would just wing the damned ball around and now Rodgers won't take the short throw or throw the damned thing away. If he plays smart and takes incompletions instead of sacks the whole game would have gone better and the oline wouldn't have looked so bad. When you take a sack and it's thrid and long then you're giving the defense a gift because then they know what's coming and they're really, really good at rushing with just four.
I agree with this statement, and it's the reason that McCarthy goaded Lacy in the media. After the fumble, Starks was in the game which is typical MM. You fumble, you sit. I was shocked to see Lacy back in the game on the same series. I've been a big Starks fan. His only problem has been injuries but he's looked phenomenal since Lacy was drafted. McCarthy needs to stick with the hot hand at RB. Rookie of the Year shouldn't guarantee you anything.If the OL really was that bad, imagine how good Starks ran to get a 4.8 YPC average. I think MM will kick himself for not sticking with Starks this week, and that will result to seeing more Starks against the Bears most likely.
We talked about the O-line before the game. A 2nd year guy at LT, a true rookie at center, and essentially a rookie at RT in Sherrod. Bulaga game back but wasn't moving 100%. Against arguably the best DL in the NFL, there is a very good reason that both the running game struggled and Rodgers didn't have much time.
That's the first thing I noticed too. It looked like even the WR lined up outside of Quarless who ran an "in" route had enough leverage to be thrown the ball although we don't see how that developed. The EZ shot shows Rodgers looked to his right first so by the time he looked left we don't see what was happening on that side - my guess is Quarless would have still been open. Starks misses the chip block and he was open but by then Rodgers was concerned with the rush.also on the pass play quarless was wide open on the out route but rodgers didn't see him i guess, but rodgers had time
And yet against a bad secondary, IMO it's fair to say receivers generally weren't getting much, if any, separation. Part of that is due to the Lions getting pressure with four, and part is due to for example Cobb having, by his own admission, an embarrassing game. And he was often lined up against players he should be able to dominate.McCarthy wants his QBs to get rid of the ball within 2.5 seconds, Rodgers had 2.69 seconds on average to throw vs. the Lions, so he should have had enough time to find open receivers.
Part of that is due to the Lions getting pressure with four, and part is due to for example Cobb having, by his own admission, an embarrassing game. And he was often lined up against players he should be able to dominate.
I suspect those stats measure time from snap to release. When a QB is moving around in and out of the pocket, the numbers go up. If the stop watch was measuring time from snap to moving off the spot, I don't think you'll get to 2.5. Instances of a clean, uncollapsed pocket were rare indeed.McCarthy wants his QBs to get rid of the ball within 2.5 seconds, Rodgers had 2.69 seconds on average to throw vs. the Lions, so he should have had enough time to find open receivers.
Correct. The notion he was consistently passing up the high probability throw for the deep ball simply is not the case.19 of the 27 passes Rodgers threw were for less than 10 yards, so it´s not that they tried to throw the deep ball on every single pass play.
Right...Starks between the tackles in man up zone blocking. And he wasn't the only guy getting 5-10 yards on those runs. Lacy had a couple as well. The pulling blocks that looked so good in preseason were pretty dreadful.If the OL really was that bad, imagine how good Starks ran to get a 4.8 YPC average. I think MM will kick himself for not sticking with Starks this week, and that will result to seeing more Starks against the Bears most likely.
I suspect those stats measure time from snap to release. When a QB is moving around in and out of the pocket, the numbers go up. If the stop watch was measuring time from snap to moving off the spot, I don't think you'll get to 2.5. Instances of a clean, uncollapsed pocket were rare indeed.