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[rmontro]

The division can be up for grabs. It is difficult when you have 4 competitive teams. We could find it being a battle of teams like Tampa and Carolina or one like the NFC West.

I used to think that Super Bowl champions came out of tough divisions. Like the NFC East has had the most Super Bowl wins, and they have several competitive teams. But then the Patriots came along, and they tended to skate through their weak division and seemed to be able to focus on postseason success while almost being guaranteed a playoff slot each year. I'm not sure which situation is better.

 

[rmontro]

One thing's for sure, the NFC North hasn't looked too good in the playoffs the last few years, despite high expectations.

 

[shockerx]

Saw a stat today that says a lot, and it hurts. In last 15 years Packers have won 155 regular season wins and have 0 super bowl appearances. Patriots have 158 wins and 6 SB appearances. Chiefs 158 wins 5 SB appearances, and Seahawks 154 wins 3 SB. Boy we are not getting it done in the playoffs, Maybe a bunch reasons why but those numbers really point out the coaching just is not getting it done at crunch time.

 

[Pkrjones]

Saw a stat today that says a lot, and it hurts. In last 15 years Packers have won 155 regular season wins and have 0 super bowl appearances. Patriots have 158 wins and 6 SB appearances. Chiefs 158 wins 5 SB appearances, and Seahawks 154 wins 3 SB. Boy we are not getting it done in the playoffs, Maybe a bunch reasons why but those numbers really point out the coaching just is not getting it done at crunch time.

49'ers have won 133 games since '11. 3 SB appearances, 4 other Conf. Championship games.

 

[milani]

Saw a stat today that says a lot, and it hurts. In last 15 years Packers have won 155 regular season wins and have 0 super bowl appearances. Patriots have 158 wins and 6 SB appearances. Chiefs 158 wins 5 SB appearances, and Seahawks 154 wins 3 SB. Boy we are not getting it done in the playoffs, Maybe a bunch reasons why but those numbers really point out the coaching just is not getting it done at crunch time.

And we have lost like 4 of those playoff games in those 15 years at home. And 7 at home in the last 25 years.

 

[DoURant]

Coaching change on offensive side.

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[rmontro]

Saw a stat today that says a lot, and it hurts. In last 15 years Packers have won 155 regular season wins and have 0 super bowl appearances. Patriots have 158 wins and 6 SB appearances. Chiefs 158 wins 5 SB appearances, and Seahawks 154 wins 3 SB. Boy we are not getting it done in the playoffs, Maybe a bunch reasons why but those numbers really point out the coaching just is not getting it done at crunch time.

It's frustrating for sure. You wonder why we're so ineffective when it matters. I wonder what the Bills record was?

 

[OldSchool101]

Chance is a different measurement.

So is wishful thinking.

The fact remains there are 31 other teams with the same goal or objective as GB. Generically speaking a team should win a Superbowl once every 32 seasons +- Maybe a slight adjustment if we want to include a smaller league in SB I. This isn’t some big secretive formula that needs to be the focus experiment in a University Study.

Similarly. We also should Win our North Division 1 in every 4 seasons to remain average. Again, not butchering this to be demeaning. But our team should be way out in front of “average” with the players we’ve had. Every season it’s a new excuse. At minimum we need to get past a Wildcard game.. no more excuse. We all want results.

 

[Pkrjones]

It's frustrating for sure. You wonder why we're so ineffective when it matters. I wonder what the Bills record was?

Since 2011 the Bills have won 140 games. Zero SB, 3 Conf. Championship appearances, 3 Divisional games, & 2 WC appearances. McDermott & Josh Allen's arrivals turned the team from a perrennial loser to AFC East studs. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/

 

[tynimiller]

So is wishful thinking.

The fact remains there are 31 other teams with the same goal or objective as GB. Generically speaking a team should win a Superbowl once every 32 seasons +- Maybe a slight adjustment if we want to include a smaller league in SB I. This isn’t some big secretive formula that needs to be the focus experiment in a University Study.

Similarly. We also should Win our North Division 1 in every 4 seasons to remain average. Again, not butchering this to be demeaning. But our team should be way out in front of “average” with the players we’ve had. Every season it’s a new excuse. At minimum we need to get past a Wildcard game.. no more excuse. We all want results.

Some of you are really stuck on this lol

We disagree on the simplicity of which this presents it is all.

 

[rmontro]

We disagree on the simplicity of which this presents it is all.

Be that as it may, the more teams there are, the harder it is to win the Super Bowl. Or so you would think. That's why I'm never happy to hear about expansion.

 

[tynimiller]

Be that as it may, the more teams there are, the harder it is to win the Super Bowl. Or so you would think. That's why I'm never happy to hear about expansion.

I argue the number of truly elite/great QBs that exist is the most limiting factor.

 

[rmontro]

I argue the number of truly elite/great QBs that exist is the most limiting factor.

That's definitely a big factor. But there's a certain amount of luck involved in obtaining one.

 

[OldSchool101]

Some of you are really stuck on this lol

We disagree on the simplicity of which this presents it is all.

Well sure because you keep pushing back on simple. It started from my post I can regurgitate it if you’d like. Kinda picking at a generic post that stated odds and how we’ve been slightly to better than #16.5 average.

Now on 1 hand I’d agree that winning isn’t perfectly aligned with odds. Yet that should be a forgone conclusion, not a rebuttal to stating the odds of winning. What’s a better measuring stick than stating the odds based on numbers of games and numbers of teams? our personal opinion? No thanks everyone has an opinion nowadays and everyone acts like their opinion is truth. Opinion has absolutely positively zero barometer.

Winning or Losing is almost NEVER perfectly defined or aligned with the Odds. Teams overcome it underperform to expectations constantly. Yet it still Doesn't erase stating the obvious odds as a comparative tool. I have GB as about the #8 most successful team when factoring playoff and superbowl success to odds.

What I was responding to was how often an average team should be expected to perform to Goal. The Goal in the NFL is to Win Superbowls. Thats numero uno. Our goal cannot. Should not. Will not. Ever be to be “relevant”. Relevancy goals are for 2nd place finishers. The “barely playoff relevant” defense we each use (including me) might just be the bad logic that’s been holding us back. I don’t want to be relevant. Yiu guys might differ but I want to be the Best.

When I take the attitude of “I want to pull off the throttle and just try to stay alive” attitude. I’ve already lost the big picture. Might Win me some games.. but it’s going to lose me THE game.

 

[tynimiller]

Well sure because you keep pushing back on simple. Nobody in here ever said or implied that odds always work perfectly. Because odds are simple and very defined. Winning or Losing is never perfectly defined or aligned with the Odds. Teams overcome it underperform to expectations constantly. Yet it still Doesn't erase the odds of that makes sense?

What I was responding to was how often an average team should be expected to perform. The only objective way to answer that is using the odds of winning. That’s all I was going for.

Green Bay had played well above the odds from a Winning %. Maybe closer to average in pure Superbowls but 2 of those were forever ago. We’ve only had 2 Superbowls in over 50 years and that’s really not very impressive imo.
Ok we’ve had a remarkable Run of playoff appearances etc. but that’s not our goal is it? No.

As I’ve shown GB ranks around #8 in the NFL in success rates. It’s not bad. It’s not exceptional by any stretch. They need to quit making excuses and finish. Finish games and finish seasons.

I don't believe it however personally is all. That is massively too simple of a way of looking at it. Especially in the last couple decades, the odds are insanely harder than that because not every team has that most elusive piece and that is an elite level QB play that year. There is almost always only a half dozen give or take QBs playing at a level which will get a team there let alone win it.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't believe it however personally is all. That is massively too simple of a way of looking at it. Especially in the last couple decades, the odds are insanely harder than that because not every team has that most elusive piece and that is an elite level QB play that year. There is almost always only a half dozen give or take QBs playing at a level which will get a team there let alone win it.

Ok. You’ve the floor sir. I’m all ears

Where do the Green Bay Packers rank in relation to the topic..I responded to which was success rates in modern football? (Superboel era).

I seriously want to hear your thoughts it sounds you have it all figured out. I’m not upset at all. I’m a very curious to how you rate teams to success rates? What measuring stick are you using? Where is GB ranked? What’s the norm?

 

[tynimiller]

Nope never made claim of having it figured out - if I did point it out. I just think it is crazy over simplification is all of saying a team should expect a super bowl once every 32 years.

 

[OldSchool101]

Nope never made claim of having it figured out - if I did point it out. I just think it is crazy over simplification is all of saying a team should expect a super bowl once every 32 years.

Well you rebutted it.

How often should a team Win a Super Bowl?

The floor is yours. Asking for a second time.

 

[gopkrs]

To say once every 32 years you need a really long time frame for odds to work out. Maybe 1000 years?

 

[shockerx]

Well you rebutted it.

How often should a team Win a Super Bowl?

The floor is yours. Asking for a second time.

easy just put 32 different colored jelly beans in a jar a pick one. do it sixty times.. and see the results. And or input less teams for early SB era, be be more exact. I got this calculus from NASA for future Mars landing.

 

[tynimiller]

Well you rebutted it.

How often should a team Win a Super Bowl?

The floor is yours. Asking for a second time.

Dude it isn't something you can state a specific number for - but I for sure think it is unrealistic to think odds are 1 in 32 is all. Expectations are different than odds though as well and both have been in a way brought forth.

Like I've said the first thing is if you have high level QB - if you don't have that your odds of a super bowl are about as close to zero these days as they can be unless you have world class stuff elsewhere. Shoot take this year, there was not 32 teams with same odds of winning the super bowl...there were teams with MASSIVELY better odds than others.

While I understand why some say it, but to me that purposefully avoids every factor which builds the odds for a team is all - which for the record I cannot calculate them all.

 

[OldSchool101]

easy just put 32 different colored jelly beans in a jar a pick one. do it sixty times.. and see the results. And or input less teams for early SB era, be be more exact. I got this calculus from NASA for future Mars landing.

But interesting you used 32. You really shouldn’t use stats.
(I’m being a smart A)

 

[OldSchool101]

Dude it isn't something you can state a specific number for - but I for sure think it is unrealistic to think odds are 1 in 32 is all. Expectations are different than odds though as well and both have been in a way brought forth.

Like I've said the first thing is if you have high level QB - if you don't have that your odds of a super bowl are about as close to zero these days as they can be unless you have world class stuff elsewhere. Shoot take this year, there was not 32 teams with same odds of winning the super bowl...there were teams with MASSIVELY better odds than others.

While I understand why some say it, but to me that purposefully avoids every factor which builds the odds for a team is all - which for the record I cannot calculate them all.

I was referring to my original post. I was responding to Green Bay being a pretty successful team throughout the years.
How do you guage success long term? Across 50 years

I’m not talking about what are your uses in tunnel of 2026.

I

 

[OldSchool101]

To say once every 32 years you need a really long time frame for odds to work out. Maybe 1000 years?

Ok. Once again you’re making a rebuttal we should not use numbers of teams unless it’s 1,000 years. Let’s just say I agree for argument sake.

I’d like your answer now because you are diminishing anything using numbers teams to apply success rates for Superbowls or team success rates in the superbowl era.

So what are your thoughts?

1. How often should an “Average team”Win a Super Bowl?

2. What makes a team more successful than the average mean? What do you use to figure the average NFL team measurement?

No one else wants to answer so I’m asking again

 

[gopkrs]

A successful team is kinda like ****...you know it when you see it. But of course, one persons successful team may not be the same as another. I think the Bills have been a successful team for quite awhile now. And their head coach gets fired. Why not fire their QB? I think there is a crazy bug going around. And it's pretty contagious.