Fire Matt LaFleur

[scooter_1954]

How many yards did their tight end accumulate? How many times was he WIDE OPEN in critical situations? Did NO ONE think it might be a good idea to adjust coverage? Or are we simply that inept, and supposed to accept it?

 

[Wayne G]

Ben Johnson has made Lafluer his Bi**!!!!

Packers dont pay top money for coaching...
And that model has worked out how?

Last SB appearence?

The Packers hand picked Policy because they knew he would "save" them money
with coaches.

What BUMS!

 

[AGreen2AJones]

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Ed or the board must immediately be removed if they don't understand how pathetic this number is.

Just the collapse of the two Bears games..the chance of losing both those games with those leads was 1:3000. Absolutely insane

 

[OkieCheesehead]

He could wear a dress and it would not mean ****

At least he’d mirror how he calls plays ‍

 

[AKCheese]

OK yeah I also forget that in addition to MLF missing that XP and short FG, and those blocks when he was playing LT, he also failed to get that snap off leading to that delay of game penalty, THEN he was in at center he hurt his leg when we were out of timeouts leading to a 10 second runoff.. what a bum!!

 

[OkieCheesehead]

Then they bamboozle us with a piece of paper saying we are owners and the only right we have is to vote for the board of directors and they are all rich business owners that know nothing about football lmaooooo
If we are “owners” they should have a fan in the board of directors. We should start a movement until they open up a seat. Show they really care instead of taking advantage of us fans. Which is the truth in the matter it’s all a scam and they play off it lol
I will volunteer for the position.
I’ll Probly get booted out after a few days because they won’t like what i say so I’ll need a running mate to take my spot right after

This is the dang truth. The only person who I’ve ever voted for that I recognized was LeRoy Butler and I proudly casted my vote for him. Everyone else? No idea.

 

[AGreen2AJones]

OK yeah I also forget that in addition to MLF missing that XP and short FG, and those blocks when he was playing LT, he also failed to get that snap off leading to that delay of game penalty, THEN he was in at center he hurt his leg when we were out of timeouts leading to a 10 second runoff.. what a bum!!

Why did it ever get to that point? Why was he managing the clock so bad in the second half? How dare you blame all that because it should have never been like that, Matt

 

[scooter_1954]

OK yeah I also forget that in addition to MLF missing that XP and short FG, and those blocks when he was playing LT, he also failed to get that snap off leading to that delay of game penalty, THEN he was in at center he hurt his leg when we were out of timeouts leading to a 10 second runoff.. what a bum!!

You didn't answer my question the first time! Who had responsibility to prep these players, and ensure they were ready to execute properly? All you've done is confirm our observations, that this team is undisciplined and ineptly coached!

 

[shockerx]

Why did it ever get to that point? Why was he managing the clock so bad in the second half? How dare you blame all that because it should have never been like that, Matt

I think part of the clock management boiled down to MLF knowing his OL could not run block worth a crap. So they tried to throw to move the chains and again the OL could not pass protect worth a crap.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Who do you blame when a team looks like 2 different teams each half, like the Packers did on Saturday? Blame the coach, right? Everything going wrong must be his fault, right? Now I am quick to judge Matt sometimes, but I think fans really need to be more honest with themselves and dig a little deeper.

This article is a good place to start. I had to go back and look at the plays that he was talking about, but Zach Kruse nailed the narrative.

So I get it, blame MLF, but no matter who the coach is, Walker is probably making those same protection mistakes. The blame for Saturday and other loses, can be spread around pretty easily IMO. If Walker does his job, Packer fans might be talking what a great job Matt did coaching on Saturday, that he never took his foot off the gas and the Packers coasted to an easy win.

One play shows why Packers offense struggled in second half vs. Bears

One play helps demonstrate why the Packers struggled on offense during the second half against the Bears.

packerswire.usatoday.com

What the article shows is the Bears adjusted at half time and blitzed more and brought more heat from the edges.

Where were the Packer adjustments? It's easy to say that Walker just wasn't getting the job done causing plays to break down but the Packers needed to adjust to that situation with quicker developing plays or having a RB or TE help out on the edge.

A single wrecked play doesn't create an entire half of choking. What it should do set off red flags that result in counter adjustments. The problem that we see over and over again is that teams make adjustments and the Packers are late or absent in theirs. The failure to properly adjust just magnifies struggling players.

If players won all their match-ups, you could call any play and it would work. That's not reality. Caoching is all about maximizing your favorable match ups and covering for your unfavorable ones.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Thank goodness someone intelligent is in charge of making HC decisions and not some of these fans that think elite coaches are just super easy to hire and want to get rid of a top 5-7 HC who’s managed to take the youngest team in football to the playoffs so consistently it’s not even a talking point anymore.

MLF is far from elite. He's 3-6 in the playoffs. I think much of his early 'success' is that he inherited the HOF combo of Rodgers and Adam's with Z Smith and A Jones at the top of their game.

Trouble is that he looks more like Marty Schottenheimer that an elite coach. The Bears, Lions and Vikings have all hired better coaches since MLF was hired so finding a better coach isn't an unreasonable expectation.

If MLF can't get the job done in 7 seasons, why would season 8 or season 9 be the charm? If 9 wins and a playoff choke is the goal, then MLF is your man.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

MLF is far from elite. He's 3-6 in the playoffs. I think much of his early 'success' is that he inherited the HOF combo of Rodgers and Adam's with Z Smith and A Jones at the top of their game.

Trouble is that he looks more like Marty Schottenheimer that an elite coach. The Bears, Lions and Vikings have all hired better coaches since MLF was hired so finding a better coach isn't an unreasonable expectation.

If MLF can't get the job done in 7 seasons, why would season 8 or season 9 be the charm? If 9 wins and a playoff choke is the goal, then MLF is your man.

Because context matters as do injuries. Ignoring those two factors just proves someone is acting emotionally and has no business making important decisions.

 

[AKCheese]

Because context matters as do injuries. Ignoring those two factors just proves someone is acting emotionally and has no business making important decisions.

no no no … any team worth their salt should be able to win a Super Bowl in 7 years… that ignores reality.. but bar stool experts don’t need to live in that world

 

[OldSchool101]

No no… MLF blew those protections and he also missed the XP and relatively short FG…

When your LT is getting beat. Don’t be calling 20-30 yard pass plays to Musgrave in the first place. If Dennis is sending Blitz packages? Why are we trying to look 20+ down the field? Does that make a lick of sense. Respond with on your player getting beat and try adapting. Leak a TE and RB out for a 7 yard pass. Why a huge play needed? Isn’t that a low probability clock stopper? Is that smart on that scenario or should we maybe move the chains and keep the clock rolling instead? I know that’s a strange philosophy!

Also correct me but Kinnard was not the reason we lost on that drive on s check down. If we recall that play was one of our better plays as far as net yards. They did bring the fumble back because you can’t advance it, but that play was probably one of our top 5 plays in thr 3rd/4th Qtr, not the reason we lost imo.

While Brandon did miss. We set him up for failure kicking from 55 yards imo. We had several tries to gain 5-10 yards range and were sending guys downfield instead of a 5 yard sideline pass. Yiu don’t need 25 yards. We needed 6-8 yards and on a 1 read. The Bears Kicker BARELY made it from 51 and he’s been red hot this season. From 55 the Bears kick was an easy miss go look. Expecting to take a FG try from 55 at below freezing with wind is like a 61-62 yarder imo.

Had Brandon made the other FG? We STILL allowed the Bears to catch up. It’s not like The Bears couldn’t go for 2pt conversions if we added in 4 points. They BEARS win by +4, not +1 or 2. They also could’ve went on 2pt we conversions if the points are different. It’s not as straight line as saying we Win that easy. Ben would’ve went for 2pt conversions he’s not going to lay down like we did.

We run the ball on a delayed handoff up the middle on 2nd n 10 to open the 3rd Qtr?? Is that being assertive? No it’s not. It didn’t work it was the 1 thing Chicago was doing well was interior DL. Exploit their secondary should’ve been our blueprint. Not delay run the middle of our opponent strength. I bet I wasn’t the only one watching the Bears stymie us inside.

So yes we could’ve made every Kick including a 62 yard equivalent, but that’s not how football works. You’ve got to take advantage of every second and not go limp and limp we went to get a reasonable try to close the half. I know the score. But I don’t care! I also know Chicago and that drive might as well been for the Win and yes, I said as much live feed. Should’ve been a high probability 5-6 yard pass leading a Receiver out of bounds. We had nobody doing a simple crosser or 6 yard down n out clock stopper. We should’ve had 3 tries to get + yards if we get 10 yards in 2 tries. +6 out of bounds is a probability win. We needed a couple 5 yard quick throws. We can’t get even 3,4,6 yards in 2 pass plays?

 

[pacmaniac]

Hope Ed Policy sees the post-game videos of Caleb grating cheese and Ben Johnson in the locker room screaming to his team how much he F'ing HATES the Packers. MLF has done great things... for THE BEARS!!

Sadly if MTF stays head coach, we'll be hearing a lot more of Ben Johnson screaming "F the Packers" and laughing at us.

 

[AKCheese]

When your LT is getting beat. Don’t be calling 20-30 yard pass plays to Musgrave in the first place. If Dennis is sending Blitz packages? Why are we trying to look 20+ down the field? Does that make a lick of sense. Respond with on your player getting beat and try adapting. Leak a TE and RB out for a 7 yard pass. Why a huge play needed? Isn’t that a low probability clock stopper? Is that smart on that scenario or should we maybe move the chains and keep the clock rolling instead? I know that’s a strange philosophy!

Also correct me but Kinnard was not the reason we lost on that drive on s check down. If we recall that play was one of our better plays as far as net yards. They did bring the fumble back because you can’t advance it, but that play was probably one of our top 5 plays in thr 3rd/4th Qtr, not the reason we lost imo.

While Brandon did miss. We set him up for failure kicking from 55 yards imo. We had several tries to gain 5-10 yards range and were sending guys downfield instead of a 5 yard sideline pass. Yiu don’t need 25 yards. We needed 6-8 yards and on a 1 read. The Bears Kicker BARELY made it from 51 and he’s been red hot this season. From 55 the Bears kick was an easy miss go look. Expecting to take a FG try from 55 at below freezing with wind is like a 61-62 yarder imo.

Had Brandon made the other FG? We STILL allowed the Bears to catch up. It’s not like The Bears couldn’t go for 2pt conversions if we added in 4 points. They BEARS win by +4, not +1 or 2. They also could’ve went on 2pt we conversions if the points are different. It’s not as straight line as saying we Win that easy. Ben would’ve went for 2pt conversions he’s not going to lay down like we did.

We run the ball on a delayed handoff up the middle on 2nd n 10 to open the 3rd Qtr?? Is that being assertive? No it’s not. It didn’t work it was the 1 thing Chicago was doing well was interior DL. Exploit their secondary should’ve been our blueprint. Not delay run the middle of our opponent strength. I bet I wasn’t the only one watching the Bears stymie us inside.

So yes we could’ve made every Kick including a 62 yard equivalent, but that’s not how football works. You’ve got to take advantage of every second and not go limp and limp we went to get a reasonable try to close the half. I know the score. But I don’t care! I also know Chicago and that drive might as well been for the Win and yes, I said as much live feed. Should’ve been a high probability 5-6 yard pass leading a Receiver out of bounds. We had nobody doing a simple crosser or 6 yard down n out clock stopper. We should’ve had 3 tries to get + yards if we get 10 yards in 2 tries. +6 out of bounds is a probability win. We needed a couple 5 yard quick throws. We can’t get even 3,4,6 yards in 2 pass plays?

I dont blame him for the 55 yarder it was a long kick. The shorter FG? And the XP? Those should be made… period. You make those kicks the whole game is different - although the end result MAY have been the same. Many of those things other things could well be - in fact WERE- poor decision making by Love. The issue isn’t “was everything done correctly”… it wasn’t. The issue is… is it time to tear everything down and start over. People want to fire MLF and dump Love in favor of Willis… just like they wanted to dump Love in favor of that QB from Penn State was it? Whose name I can’t even remember. This team has a very VERY bright future be it with or without MLF (assuming we replace him with a BETTER HC and entire staff)… we beat the Bears, lost on a muffed onside kick and choked away a game we were dominating… and people here want to burn it all down because BJ tesrs his shirt off and throws some F-bombs … get a grip people.

 

[OldSchool101]

How many yards did their tight end accumulate? How many times was he WIDE OPEN in critical situations? Did NO ONE think it might be a good idea to adjust coverage? Or are we simply that inept, and supposed to accept it?

Good point. Loveland ran wild all day and several times he was all alone with nobody around him. He had 2 catches on the exact same play just 2 plays apart. Each time he converted and both times coverage broke down.

 

[adambr2]

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[rmontro]

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Ed or

I don't know what it is about the Packers, but when they fail, they fail in historic ways.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I don't know what it is about the Packers, but when they fail, they fail in historic ways.

Every team has some of those days.

 

[PackersFan12345]

The Browns?

Heck we might be able to get 2 first rounders and Myles Garrett for him.

You wish!

 

[rmontro]

Every team has some of those days.

The Packers seem to have more than their fair share.

 

[Voyageur]

LeFleur isn't going anywhere. They're going to give him a 3-year extension. We might see a few changes in the coaching ranks. The ST coach firing is just the start of changes. I kind of expect we'll lose Hafely to a better job offer.

The biggest question is where the Packers would look to replace him. I know to Wisconsin Badger fans who Packer fans are, the likely offer would go to Jim Leonhard, offering him the DC job and an added title of "Associate Head Coach" to sweeten the pot and make it less likely he can be poached down the road.

If available, which he won't be, I'd say Saleh. He's entrenched in SF but I think will end up as the HC in Arizona. Just throwing out possibilities. He's a defensive guru, plain and simple.

With all the firings that have already taken place, there's no shortage of experienced coaches available. The problem is, the Packers aren't likely to make critical changes to their existing scheming because that would take draft capital to make and we just don't have it at this point.

My pick? I'm sorry! I'm a homer on this one. I'd like to see Leonhard get the job. I liked his flexibility on adjusting the Badgers defense after Wilcox left, without totally disrupting the direction they'd been going.

Just my opinions here.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Sounds like just type of HC that can bring a different kind of culture to this team. That would be a welcome change. A breath of fresh air
Curt Cignetti has definitely done something at IU. Before he came IU had a 9-27 2021- 2023. Since he came IU turned completely around and the 2 years he's been there they 24-2. Very impressive.

Cignetti has only been at IU for 2 years? Damn that is a turnaround, and one I would think impossible for a small-market Big 10 school. If it can work at Indiana, why not Wisconsin?

 

[rdawsoniii]

OK yeah I also forget that in addition to MLF missing that XP and short FG, and those blocks when he was playing LT, he also failed to get that snap off leading to that delay of game penalty, THEN he was in at center he hurt his leg when we were out of timeouts leading to a 10 second runoff.. what a bum!!

Keep your head in the sand.