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Ervin for MVP???

Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by PackinMSP, Dec 8, 2019.

  1. PackinMSP

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    We are OVER 0 net punt return yards now for the year now

    Super Bowl here we come


    Next Desmond Howard
     
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    He is just lulling opposing coverage teams into a false sense of security. :)
     
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    I think maybe for President.
     
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    bump
     
  5. Poppa San

    Poppa San Levelheaded Staff Member Super Moderator Moderator

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    Packers ended season with almost 100 yds punt returns. Ervin is our gadget player.
     
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    Agreed, but the guy is even a straight-ahead runner. He had two rushes for 25 yards against Seattle. I'm certainly not saying that he is going to take over Aaron Jones' role, but he might be an even better change of pace back than Williams. MLF seems to insert Williams for an entire series here and there. Ervin might start getting situational opportunities in the middle of drives.

    There is no doubt that he has been a positive addition to our special teams unit, which is ever-important in the post season.
     
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    He ran 4.41 at combine for 40yd dash?

    That's quicker than Lazard and GMo and just a shade slower then MVS (4.37)! Wow, never realized that!!!

    He could be our slot receiver!
     
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    Is there a kick returning controversy brewing in Green Bay??? :D

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    Can he catch downfield passes and take the inevitable hit would be the question. Use him for wheel routes and screens first. Houston didn't see that back when they drafted him. His receptions in GB are the jet sweep toss passes IIRC.
     
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    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/tyler-ervin?id=2555234

    STRENGTHS
    Short-strider in tight confines with ability to make sudden directional change. Despite lanky frame, doesn’t run with any fear between the tackles and doesn't look to bounce runs unnecessarily. Combines smoothness with quick reaction time to avoid traffic in the backfield and slalom his way through shifting, fluid creases along the line of scrimmage. Plus lateral escapability. Quality hands and can function as pass catcher with some matchup potential. Very good play speed and can punch the gas to top speed quickly. High-knee runner who can gain yardage in chunks if run fits break down. Scored three touchdowns on kickoffs over freshman and sophomore year and has returned kicks all four seasons.

    WEAKNESSES
    Thin, angular frame that isn't built for sustaining contact. Runs come to a screeching halt against quality, bodied-up tackle attempts. Balance through contact is poor and has trouble grinding legs through arm tackles. Hits from the side cause him to go flying. Not a one-cut runner. Will take an extra step or two to gear down and cut. Size and strength limitations hinder chances of being a true, third down option at running back. Limited in his routes and times looked like he was going through the motions if he didn’t expect to get ball. On gap plays, needs to be a little less patient and a little more urgent in approach to the line of scrimmage.

    DRAFT PROJECTION

    Round 4

    NFL COMPARISON

    Akeem Hunt

    BOTTOM LINE

    Ervin is a long-legged, linear runner with the vision and demeanor to be a first down runner, but the thin- frame and poor play strength that will force him into becoming a change of pace running back who will need to make his mark in open spaces when given his opportunities. With Ervin's lack of size in blitz protection, his best chance to make a team, initially, will be as a kick returner.
     
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    Ervin has never excelled as a receiver, therefore considering him to be an option as a slot receiver moving forward should be considered way premature.
     
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    kind of what you used to say about Jones. I just don't think you or I know if he can catch. I agree probably not a slot receiver. But out of the backfield is not out of the question.
     
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    From the post before yours
    But yeah, I don't think he'd be our answer to replace our missing slot receiver without some off season work.
     
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    I don't know much about him but yeah while I think he has the ability to line up in the slot or out wide. I don't believe he'll ever be a slot receiver. He ran a nice route while split out wide against the Lions and Rodgers just missed him.

    He can definitely help the team and I expect him to make a play or two in the nfccg.
     
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    I think that the "pass catcher" comment in the draft analysis was meant as a pass catcher out of the backfield, or as teams occasionally trot a RB out of the backfield to line up as a WR. I would assume this mostly meant that he would be good in the screen game.

    Either way, the guy is at least demonstrating that he should get a few touches per game. He is peaking at the right time.
     
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    Just for the record, I didn't say anything about Ervin not being able to catch the ball out of the backfield.
     
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    I’ve been re-watching part of the game this week as life allows. This 18 yard scamper by Ervin has a lot of good in it. Tonyan kicks out on the block. Bahktiari and Kumerow combo block the inside and then slip to the second level for more blocks. Linsley also perfectly sealed the inside. Evil shook two tackles just past the line of scrimmage and then went for 18 yards. Great blocking all around, and good vision by Ervin. These are the kind of plays that will help this team in the post season.
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    Liked what I have seen from him so far. Could he possibly fill the role of a Randall Cobb?
     
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    They've worked him into the lineup with just a few plays presumably designed to feature his speed and running ability. It will be interesting to see what the next progression of plays designed for him will also be featuring. Getting his receiving ability involved? LaFleur may have something up his sleeve when it comes to building off each of Ervin's appearances on offense and maybe he's designing something special for the 49ers.

    Silverstein noted in both the game blog and post-Seahawk game episode (5 Questions With Leroy Butler) that Ervin became wide open after the fake handoff to him on a couple of the jet sweep motions but that no passes were sent his way. The 49ers must have noted that, too, when reviewing the film. So, will they cover Ervin like a receiver and weaken the defense elsewhere or take their chances that he's not going to be a check-down option, same as the Seahawks did?
     
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    4 years...190 snaps per pro football reference....that's only about 3 snaps per game..so I agree with you that we don't know if he can't catch. Will be interesting to see.
     
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    I am pretty sure I saw Ervin make a few catches as a slot receiver down the stretch, maybe in the Minnesota or Detroit game. The showed his route running on replay and it looked pretty good to me.

    Small sample size, I know. But if Ervin works on route running and pass catching all off-season, he could find himself a job as a viable slot receiver for the packers.
     
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    Listened to the Packers' podcast yesterday. They talked about how as a collegiate athlete in 2015, Aaron Jones was acutely aware of Ervin because he was near the top of the leader board in rushing. Apparently Jones gave him the new moniker of "Swervin' Ervin."

    I think the general excitement that we are all feeling is that Gute went out and plugged in some re-treads that are actually contributing to the playoff push. I was always a TT backer, but Gute's approach is certainly refreshing.
     
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    There's a small chance for that to happen but it's unrealistic to expect him to put up numbers anywhere to Cobb's as a receiver.

    Ervin is a running back for a reason. The Packers can't rely on him developing into a decent slot receiver.
     
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    Agreed. I think expecting him to become a slot receiver is a stretch. The best coaches design plans that utilize players' best skills. On the other end, coaches put players out of position to fill needs.
     
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    Ervin should be all but guaranteed a roster spot next season because of his impact on returns, therefore I'm absolutely fine with him being used on a couple of plays on offense accordingly to his strengths but he hasn't shown the ability to excel as a slot receiver on a full time basis by any means.
     

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