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Bigby vs. Manuel

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Zero2Cool, Oct 15, 2007.

  1. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    I hope this doesn't go bad, but I'm curious...

    Are we a better defense with Bigby? Or were we better with Manuel?

    Using facts and/or opinions, state why. :)
     
  2. MassPackersFan

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    That the rest of our DB's wanted Bigby in there to rely on speaks volumes to me. He's proven to be a playmaker so far as well (I believe he not only caused a fumble against the Skins, but was credited with basically shutting the offense down on every single play in one series). He can both play up at the line and cover guys downfield.

    Opinion-wise, I love his tougher style of play. He's one of those guys who wins most battles with his strength and athleticism.
     
  3. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    The reports of Harris and Woodson not trusting Manuel spoke huge to me. It's not abnormal for team mates to sometimes doubt someone, but to doubt someone enough to let it slip out? That's huge, in my opinion.

    He's young too, which I think works in his favor.
     
  4. 4thand26

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    Bigby is a stud. I would take him over manual easily. Against bears, he seemed to cover TE well. Olsen made a couple nice catches against Bigby only because of his hieght. Maybe Bigby is short-dont know. I think that he puts some teeth into the d.
     
  5. IronMan

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    Thats like asking if we would be better with Favre, or Ryan Leaf. :lol:
     
  6. Yared-Yam

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    Is there a link to a story about that Zero?

    I trust you, I just don't remember that happening last year. I may have been drunk though.
     
  7. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    No worries, decent people calling me out don't bother me at all. When I say something, I have full intentions of supporting it. Although, this JSOnline article is giving me some trouble lol

    http://packerforum.com/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=11720

    There's one link that kind of touches on some of it.


    edit, okay here's the specific quote, im still working on finding the actual article though
    http://packerforum.com/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=11604

    edit, okay found the damn article finally...
    http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=649588




     
  8. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    5' 11" • 211 lbs
     
  9. all about da packers

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    In his entire career, Manuel has 1 INT.

    In his first season as a starter, Bigby has matched that.

    In his first 6 games as a Packer, Manuel recorded 37 tackles, 1 INT, 1 Pass Def., and 0 Forced Fumbles.

    In his first 6 games as a Packer, Bigby has recorded 45 tackles, 1 INT, 2 Pass Def., and 2 Forced Fumbles. (Source: NFL Game Logs)

    From observance (sorry I can't find a site that keeps tabs on missed tackles) Bigby has been a much more secure tackler than Manuel.

    Also, one thing that took my by surprise was Al's response to a question about whether or not Bigby apologized for injuring him in the Eagles game week 1. Al said something to the effects of "he did, but he didn't need to... if anything I should apologize for getting in his way". I think that speaks volumes about how much teammates respect Bigby's attacking nature while playing.
     
  10. pack_in_black

    pack_in_black Cheesehead

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    Using facts here......

    Q: Are we a better defense with Bigby?

    A: Is sex better when had with women?

    Q: Or were we better with Manuel?

    A: Or was sex better when had with cactii?


    You make the call.
     
  11. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    What's sex?
     
  12. pack_in_black

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    A: Being 5-1 with no running game to speak of.

    :D
     
  13. Zero2Cool

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  14. Bobby Roberts

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    There's really no comparison here. Bigby is better in coverage, he's a better tackler, he's more assignment sure and covers more ground. He plays with an infectious energy that lifts the whole secondary. He's solid against the run and the pass.

    On the flip side, Manuel struggled in pass coverage, is slow, was a poor tackler and didn't communicate well.

    'nough said.
     
  15. BryanAschenbrenner

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    Bigby sealed the Vikings game with that diving interception he had. That's more than manuel ever did or would have ever done for us.
     
  16. Timmons

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    Zero finally did it; a topic upon which all packerforum members can agree. A standing ovation is due.

    Now quit bringing up Manuel, I just got over my nightmares.
     
  17. longtimefan

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    Manual still plays for the pack, but he changed his name to Bush
     
  18. uwbadger12000

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    Having Marquand Manuel on the field is the equivelent of playing with ten players.
     
  19. Bobby Roberts

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    That is far far from true. Bush is twice the player Manuel was! Bush gets picked on because our starting 4 DBs are so good. It's very tough to beat Harris and Woodson, especially with the support of Bigby and Collins. Therefore OC's gameplan to take advantage of our nickel back.

    Bush is good, but still raw and needs to improve. Putting him in the same category of Manuel is obviously wrong.

    GO PACK GO!!!
     
  20. all about da packers

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    While I agree putting them in the same category would be wrong, to be honest Bush looked a lot like Manuel last week when he whiffed on more tackles than a player should.

    Thank goodness there was someone to fix Bush's mistakes, because if there wasn't he'd have been responsible for giving up big plays like Manuel too.
     
  21. dhpackr

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    bush also almost turned the ball over on the last punt by the redskins.
     
  22. Bobby Roberts

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    Bush also created the fumble on a punt against the Eagles that was recovered by White in the endzone. I believe he was also part of the Eagles other fumbled punt late in that game.

    Manuel had 16 bad games. Bush has had 1. Let's not crucify the player too soon here.
     
  23. longtimefan

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    I may have spoke to soon, but the skin game was very bad for him..I ended up re-watching it today and he stood out like a sore thumb
     
  24. pack_in_black

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    He also almost had a pick on a critical play. I can't remember when it was, but I do remember commenting on it in the chat.

    Sorry I can't be more specific, but he is making plays, and I think its a reach to say that getting hit by a falling punt is "almost turning the ball over".
     
  25. pack_in_black

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    He also almost had a pick on a critical play. I can't remember when it was, but I do remember commenting on it in the chat.

    Sorry I can't be more specific, but he is making plays, and I think its a reach to say that getting hit by a falling punt is "almost turning the ball over".
     

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