Will The Packers Making the Playoffs?

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WILL the Packers make the playoffs? Certainly an "opinion" thread because none of us really know anything that is bankable and can only speculate. So....speculate I shall, with NO analytics or stats. Just ol' Weedsie being a nattering nabob.

Until they prove otherwise - I'm still puking a little in my mouth every time I look at last season's NFC North record of 1-5. Should have been 0-6 except for wazzizname's long fingernail field goal block against the Boors. All other circumstances of those games are moot. ...and last year's ice doesn't necessarily need to be skated on again this season.

HOWEVER ... 1-5 is 1-5. Therefore, until proven otherwise, I believe the Pack are not a bonafide playoff team. They'll bowl over the other also-rans on the schedule as they should but unless they WIN the NFC North, I don't see it. So ... let's get this rollin' in Detroit. I'd love to be wrong ... but I think after a slow start, even the Boors have a better shot of running the race out of the basement, and yeah, it'll be a 3 team race to basement in the North.
Can't disagree wit ya weeds my man, especially because no major changes/ additions were made to the D. Hopefully they really did have a DL coaching problem that Covington will solve, Hobbs will produce more in a much better system, and that the rest of the CB guys play at least to their talent level.

Defense wins championships most of the time, and the Packers' D is still a bit of an unknown.
 

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I think three teams from the north make the playoffs. The Lions, Packers, and Vikings. Only the order is undetermined.
 

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My off-duty gun was a Walther PPK. James Bond stuff. It took me some time to become an accurate shot with it. In fact, over 3 months of range time. You really have to work on it. I packed that when I was doing bodyguard and security work as well. It was a bit heavy but easily concealed.

I never fired a Ruger LCP II or EC9. Much lighter and the same fire power.
Geez I have never fired a gun in my life. It is tempting to get one, get trained/practice. I just can't get comfortable with the idea of a gun in the house, even for the sole purpose of defense. And I would never carry one around, although those are the times when it would be more useful, I think.

But given the world/country we live in, guns are bordering on a necessity. I hope I never have to test that.

I'm down with the 2nd amendment - we all have a right to defend ourselves. But human nature being what it is (me included), I'd rather not have a gun.
 

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But to answer my last question........... you risk it to see Aaron Rodgers get beat down, hopefully, in his last appearance ever at Soldier Field, and it will make my soul sing.....when we crush him.
I hope he "hobbles" out, probably a little chagrined,........but walks out a loser!

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Please.
I get your perspective of wanting to beat Rodgers but tbh I’m going to love when I watch him do the belt in the highlight reel and says I still own you lol
 

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Geez I have never fired a gun in my life. It is tempting to get one, get trained/practice. I just can't get comfortable with the idea of a gun in the house, even for the sole purpose of defense. And I would never carry one around, although those are the times when it would be more useful, I think.

But given the world/country we live in, guns are bordering on a necessity. I hope I never have to test that.

I'm down with the 2nd amendment - we all have a right to defend ourselves. But human nature being what it is (me included), I'd rather not have a gun.
I think you should go to a permit to carry class and visit some shooting classes to get trained properly. IMO everyone should carry. Then reconsider. I respect your thoughts tho! Myself and wife never leave the house without it. We had a guy try to break in our house in the city before I moved into the country when we had all our kids home at 8 at night even tho he was trying to get in I never pulled on him because I didn’t see a weapon. When you are trained for situations you can react and stay somewhat calm. He punched me as I was moving him away from the house. I then proceeded to give him the worst beatdown he ever had. Broke his eye socket jaw knocked out 3 teeth. After it was over his parents who were 70s yrs old tried to press charges on me.. nothing happened but he got away with all his charges and they were dropped by the county. I live in MN
 

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I get your perspective of wanting to beat Rodgers but tbh I’m going to love when I watch him do the belt in the highlight reel and says I still own you lol
Yeah that whole shtick of Rodgers owning the Bears was great. If I remember, I think he first did it spontaneously after rushing for a TD at Soldier Field. It was awesome.

And I was around for the dreadful 80s teams, where the opposite was true. The Packers could not beat Ditka's Bears or slow down Payton. In fairness, that team the Bears put together in '85 was one of the best teams of the SB era. I think they only lost one game that year. They were a cocky bunch, but certainly earned their bragging rights.
 

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I think you should go to a permit to carry class and visit some shooting classes to get trained properly. IMO everyone should carry. Then reconsider. I respect your thoughts tho! Myself and wife never leave the house without it. We had a guy try to break in our house in the city before I moved into the country when we had all our kids home at 8 at night even tho he was trying to get in I never pulled on him because I didn’t see a weapon. When you are trained for situations you can react and stay somewhat calm. He punched me as I was moving him away from the house. I then proceeded to give him the worst beatdown he ever had. Broke his eye socket jaw knocked out 3 teeth. After it was over his parents who were 70s yrs old tried to press charges on me.. nothing happened but he got away with all his charges and they were dropped by the county. I live in MN
And that's called justice? Well you certainly got your licks in.

Can you draw on a home invader if they aren't armed? That doesn't make sense to me because the fact he broke into your house makes him an immediate threat, and it's not like you can ask him.
 

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I think you should go to a permit to carry class and visit some shooting classes to get trained properly. IMO everyone should carry. Then reconsider. I respect your thoughts tho! Myself and wife never leave the house without it. We had a guy try to break in our house in the city before I moved into the country when we had all our kids home at 8 at night even tho he was trying to get in I never pulled on him because I didn’t see a weapon. When you are trained for situations you can react and stay somewhat calm. He punched me as I was moving him away from the house. I then proceeded to give him the worst beatdown he ever had. Broke his eye socket jaw knocked out 3 teeth. After it was over his parents who were 70s yrs old tried to press charges on me.. nothing happened but he got away with all his charges and they were dropped by the county. I live in MN
See I didn't even know there were these classes. I can't disagree that everyone should carry. It's a dangerous world, and we shouldn't have to fear for our safety if we're going out for dinner, or anything for that matter.
 

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And that's called justice? Well you certainly got your licks in.

Can you draw on a home invader if they aren't armed? That doesn't make sense to me because the fact he broke into your house makes him an immediate threat, and it's not like you can ask him.
It would have been justified if he was eliminated… but just cuz it was doesn’t make it right. I handled the situation. If I felt like there was nothing I could do I wouldn’t have chanced nothing.. it’s a last resort and will differ from person to person.
And anyone that does defend themselves will have a LONG legal battle. And the fact they had to take a life.. But my grandfather trained me who was a firearm instructor and I grew up shooting and around guns since I was 8. I have a 14 9 and 8 yr old that I train up.
 
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An interesting point. The crime rate in Chicago was worse back in the 70s than now. Don't be fooled by the political comments. I lived it back in those days, so I am not giving info from others but what I know is fact. We need to hold all politicians' feet to the fire to tell the truth and not turn everything into a political confrontation.
I’ve always said the people at the top play both sides against one another. Meanwhile they are stealing from the little guy.
 

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I think three teams from the north make the playoffs. The Lions, Packers, and Vikings. Only the order is undetermined
I'll admit rookie quarterbacks can be good. JJ was good in college but the NFL is different and I just don't see how the first game of the season.... the bright lights of Monday night football...... of course I think we will win of course Vikings fans think they will win Green Bay fans should hate us both so we'll see how it plays out but I think my defense coordinator is going to throw the kitchen sink at JJ and see how he responds for 4 quarters.
I really believe my guys on D.....can hang with the Lions.
 

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I'll admit rookie quarterbacks can be good. JJ was good in college but the NFL is different and I just don't see how the first game of the season.... the bright lights of Monday night football...... of course I think we will win of course Vikings fans think they will win Green Bay fans should hate us both so we'll see how it plays out but I think my defense coordinator is going to throw the kitchen sink at JJ and see how he responds for 4 quarters.
I really believe my guys on D.....can hang with the Lions.
I have that game as a loss for the Vikings.
 

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Geez I have never fired a gun in my life. It is tempting to get one, get trained/practice. I just can't get comfortable with the idea of a gun in the house, even for the sole purpose of defense. And I would never carry one around, although those are the times when it would be more useful, I think.

But given the world/country we live in, guns are bordering on a necessity. I hope I never have to test that.

I'm down with the 2nd amendment - we all have a right to defend ourselves. But human nature being what it is (me included), I'd rather not have a gun.
Well, think of it this way. The police are not there to protect you. Period. They have zero duty to protect you. Their gun is for their protection, not yours. So, who protects you and your family?
 

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Well, think of it this way. The police are not there to protect you. Period. They have zero duty to protect you. Their gun is for their protection, not yours. So, who protects you and your family?
That sounds ridiculous about the police.
 

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I think you should go to a permit to carry class and visit some shooting classes to get trained properly. IMO everyone should carry. Then reconsider. I respect your thoughts tho! Myself and wife never leave the house without it. We had a guy try to break in our house in the city before I moved into the country when we had all our kids home at 8 at night even tho he was trying to get in I never pulled on him because I didn’t see a weapon. When you are trained for situations you can react and stay somewhat calm. He punched me as I was moving him away from the house. I then proceeded to give him the worst beatdown he ever had. Broke his eye socket jaw knocked out 3 teeth. After it was over his parents who were 70s yrs old tried to press charges on me.. nothing happened but he got away with all his charges and they were dropped by the county. I live in MN
Before FL became a Constitutional carry state, both my wife and I got our concealed carry licenses. I didn't carry for the first two years. Then one day at the gas station about 2 miles from my house, I heard what sounded like gunfire, but I thought, nah, can't be. Not in my little sleepy town. Finished pumping gas and went to the paint store. As I was leaving the station, I heard sirens. Didn't think much about it. Turns out a guy opened fire in a Pizza joint half a block away from me. I've carried it outside the house every time I go since. Tucked in my waistband, shirt covering it. Brought it with me the last time I drove to WI. Right through Chicago. Taught my kid how to shoot when she was 12. She is a better shot now than I am. Now that she turned 21 she wants to carry. I told her I would buy the gun of her choice the day she gets he carry license.
 

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That sounds ridiculous about the police.
True. Since 1984, there have been at last count, I believe, 10 cases to the Supreme Court. And the court always comes back saying the same thing. The police have no duty to protect anyone. Period. Ever notice most police departments no longer have "To protect and serve" on their cars? They used to. Not anymore.
 

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My off-duty gun was a Walther PPK. James Bond stuff. It took me some time to become an accurate shot with it. In fact, over 3 months of range time. You really have to work on it. I packed that when I was doing bodyguard and security work as well. It was a bit heavy but easily concealed.

I never fired a Ruger LCP II or EC9. Much lighter and the same fire power.
Oh, I had a PPk for a while, too! It's a great carry piece... a little larger than the LCP II, but smoother lines, rounder edges so the profile isn't as noticeable in your clothes.

Several years ago, Amy decided she wanted a carry piece, so I bought 4 small pistols for her to try, and we went out to a farm we own out of town and shot the barn up. Killed it graveyard dead. It was the PPK, the LCP II, an S&W Bodyguard, and a Kimber Micro. The PPK was too large for her small hands, the S&W had a really long trigger pull (her hands are so small, that by the time her finger pulled all the way back, she was off-target), so it came down to the Kimber vs the Ruger.

She liked the shorter pull on the Kimber, but it was a hard pull, which (again) affected her aim. The Ruger had a smoother pull, plus a laser sight, so that's what we kept for her. She turned out to be an excellent natural shot (just like my first wife), but nevertheless, an inexperienced shooter, so the red dot made her feel more confident.

I sold the Micro and the Bodyguard, and for a while, kept the PPK for myself. As she got sicker, it came to the point where she can't leave the house without my help anyway, so there was no need for her to have her own piece. For some reason, I sold the PPK (can't even remember why), and started carrying the Ruger myself. I sometimes carry a 1991 A1 in a holster, but most of the time prefer the Ruger in my pocket, especially in the summer when I dress lightly.

The one thing I don't like about it is that it has no external manual safety, which is troublesome in a pocket pistol, but I like everything else about it, and sometimes you just have to compromise.
 

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Oh, I had a PPk for a while, too! It's a great carry piece... a little larger than the LCP II, but smoother lines, rounder edges so the profile isn't as noticeable in your clothes.

Several years ago, Amy decided she wanted a carry piece, so I bought 4 small pistols for her to try, and we went out to a farm we own out of town and shot the barn up. Killed it graveyard dead. It was the PPK, the LCP II, an S&W Bodyguard, and a Kimber Micro. The PPK was too large for her small hands, the S&W had a really long trigger pull (her hands are so small, that by the time her finger pulled all the way back, she was off-target), so it came down to the Kimber vs the Ruger.

She liked the shorter pull on the Kimber, but it was a hard pull, which (again) affected her aim. The Ruger had a smoother pull, plus a laser sight, so that's what we kept for her. She turned out to be an excellent natural shot (just like my first wife), but nevertheless, an inexperienced shooter, so the red dot made her feel more confident.

I sold the Micro and the Bodyguard, and for a while, kept the PPK for myself. As she got sicker, it came to the point where she can't leave the house without my help anyway, so there was no need for her to have her own piece. For some reason, I sold the PPK (can't even remember why), and started carrying the Ruger myself. I sometimes carry a 1991 A1 in a holster, but most of the time prefer the Ruger in my pocket, especially in the summer when I dress lightly.

The one thing I don't like about it is that it has no external manual safety, which is troublesome in a pocket pistol, but I like everything else about it, and sometimes you just have to compromise.
I carry a Springfield Armory XDs-40 3.3. 3.3 in barrel, .40 cal. 7 shots. I was carrying the little Ruger .380, but I don't like the fact it doesn't have a safety. The XDS has grip safety. My kid wants the Hellcat. We have a local place that rents guns for firing. So you can try out different models. The Hellcat is 11+1 9mm subcompact. Small enough for her hands but still worth carrying.
 

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True. Since 1984, there have been at last count, I believe, 10 cases to the Supreme Court. And the court always comes back saying the same thing. The police have no duty to protect anyone. Period. Ever notice most police departments no longer have "To protect and serve" on their cars? They used to. Not anymore.
That doesn't mean that most won't try to protect if they are there.
 

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That doesn't mean that most won't try to protect if they are there.
True. But it's not their job. Which most people don't understand. According to the SC, the police's job is to investigate crime and arrest criminals. That's it. Technically, it's not even dealing with protesters or rioters.
 

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I thought we were talking about protecting a citizen. If said citizen is in the middle of a riot; there are other considerations. But like a hostage situation. I'm sure you're not saying saving the hostage is secondary to arresting the criminal.
 
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Oh, I had a PPk for a while, too! It's a great carry piece... a little larger than the LCP II, but smoother lines, rounder edges so the profile isn't as noticeable in your clothes.

Several years ago, Amy decided she wanted a carry piece, so I bought 4 small pistols for her to try, and we went out to a farm we own out of town and shot the barn up. Killed it graveyard dead. It was the PPK, the LCP II, an S&W Bodyguard, and a Kimber Micro. The PPK was too large for her small hands, the S&W had a really long trigger pull (her hands are so small, that by the time her finger pulled all the way back, she was off-target), so it came down to the Kimber vs the Ruger.

She liked the shorter pull on the Kimber, but it was a hard pull, which (again) affected her aim. The Ruger had a smoother pull, plus a laser sight, so that's what we kept for her. She turned out to be an excellent natural shot (just like my first wife), but nevertheless, an inexperienced shooter, so the red dot made her feel more confident.

I sold the Micro and the Bodyguard, and for a while, kept the PPK for myself. As she got sicker, it came to the point where she can't leave the house without my help anyway, so there was no need for her to have her own piece. For some reason, I sold the PPK (can't even remember why), and started carrying the Ruger myself. I sometimes carry a 1991 A1 in a holster, but most of the time prefer the Ruger in my pocket, especially in the summer when I dress lightly.

The one thing I don't like about it is that it has no external manual safety, which is troublesome in a pocket pistol, but I like everything else about it, and sometimes you just have to compromise.
Good stuff. I carry a simple P235 Sig. it’s only 7 shots but I stock hollow points and if I’m at a store I carry an extra clip to get me away/out of a bind.
The primary reason I like it is it’s 15oz and small enough to drop in my pocket. The waistband holder makes it near impossible to even see it with summer clothes. As many of you know, surprise is your greatest asset.
 

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I beg to differ. Once again, check your resources and their reason for stating it. This is the true figures for homicide. Notice Chicago isn't even in this list. What should scare a lot of people who think places are safe is to see Milwaukee on this list but not Chicago or even Detroit. Sometimes you have to get past the talk and look at the facts.

I think he might mean the total number of murders, rather than the actual per capita rate. What I'm seeing is that he's right in the sense that Cook County has a very high body count (probably highest in the country), but on a per capita basis, does not seem to be higher than a lot of other metro areas.

I can't find per capita figures on other entire counties in the US, but Cooke County's per capita murder rate in 2023 was 26.8. There are a lot of metro areas (mostly in the South) that have much higher per capita murder rates. I'd rather stick mostly to just comparing cities to cities, although what I did find is that Chicago's murder rate is much lower than the county's, so it actually pulls the county's murder rate down.

It looks you've found pretty much the same statistics I was working from, albeit from a different source. Statistically, you're safer visiting Chicago than you are if you were in Milwaukee or Little Rock, or even Minneapolis, for that matter. Caleb and I both live in Kentucky, and even Louisville has a higher murder rate than Chicago. But somehow that never makes the headlines.

But going back to Cook County...

Cook had 816 murders in 2023, which yes.... is a lot. But there are also a hell of a lot of people in Cook County. Cook has about 5.2 million people; you could put the entire populations of Wyoming, Alaska, Montana, and both Dakotas, plus empty everyone in Delaware into the bowl too. Those states cover well over 1,000,000 square miles, compared to a little over 10,000 square miles in the Chicago metro - which comprises a lot more than Cook County. So of course you'll have more murders there than any less-densely populated city.

It's just that the numbers are the numbers, and there are over 20 cities in the US where you have a far higher chance of being murdered than in Chicago. The fear of setting foot in Chicago is irrational, and completely unsupported by the objective data.
 

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Geez I have never fired a gun in my life. It is tempting to get one, get trained/practice. I just can't get comfortable with the idea of a gun in the house, even for the sole purpose of defense. And I would never carry one around, although those are the times when it would be more useful, I think.

But given the world/country we live in, guns are bordering on a necessity. I hope I never have to test that.

I'm down with the 2nd amendment - we all have a right to defend ourselves. But human nature being what it is (me included), I'd rather not have a gun.
It just means you're a decent human being to have those reservations.
Just remember.....all tools can be weapons in the wrong hands.
When you own a firearm....you have a social contract to be responsible 24/7/365 with this power/tool.
 

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