Will The Packers Making the Playoffs?

[milani]

Playoffs? With these roster additions from 2024 and the injuries it doesnt look like this roster is as good as last season. What do you think?

Now that we are closer to a final roster there are 15 new faces(compared to the 2024 initial 53 man roster). I took the Liberty of updating with the Neiman signing.
Is this roster an upgrade over 2024?
The 15 new faces and the players they replaced or nominally replaced:
RB Brooks - Lloyd inj
TE Fitzpatrick - OL Telfort
WR Golden- Watson inj
Williams inj- Melton
OL Banks inj- Myers
Belton- Dillard
Kinnard-Glover inj
Jennings- Monk inj
DT- Brinson- Slaton
Stackhouse- DE Mosby
DE- Sorrel inj- Smith
LB - Neiman- Wilson
CB-Hobbs inj- Alexander
Melton-Stokes
Hadden- Ballentine
K- McManus- Joseph
Of course Melton is a wash faces wise.
Also injured:
Reed
Wicks
Jenkins
Alexander
Mckinney
Love

If the Packers remain statistically the youngest team in the league it makes it difficult to get there although they have done it the last 2 years. The difference from a season ago is a much tougher schedule.

 

[OldSchool101]

I always love it when people say stuff like this. See, it's never put the other way, the defense stopping the other team, giving the offense more chances with the ball. It's always the offense helping the defense, not the other way around.

Actually that concept is about the only concern I have. Our O ran the ball as much or more than since Ahman Green suited up. That ball control does favor the Defense.
Can GB still rely on the Run but mix in more high probability throws. Less 50 yarders and more hit the TE’s and RB’s more.
Chris Brooks, Luke Musgrave, Savion or Lloyd if/when healthy potentially all help that cause.

Plus a 3rd year Starter at QB and a 2nd season for our DC should help provide consistency. Many examples at QB alone. A player someone recently brought up was Drew Brees. In his first 2 seasons he went
10-17 W-L
28 TD’s 31 INT

 

[rmontro]

Plus a 3rd year Starter at QB and a 2nd season for our DC should help provide consistency.

Aaron Rodgers won the Super Bowl in his third year as a starter. No pressure, though.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I always love it when people say stuff like this. See, it's never put the other way, the defense stopping the other team, giving the offense more chances with the ball. It's always the offense helping the defense, not the other way around.

It's the reason Brady won all those Super Bowls. Offense sells tickets but defense wins championships.

 

[Raptorman]

It's the reason Brady won all those Super Bowls. Offense sells tickets but defense wins championships.

Careful, people will jump all over you for that. Offense in the Super Bowl does not appear to be getting much better. But the defenses are certianly going backwards.

Points given up.	Average offense	Average Defense	Difference
First 20 Super Bowls	27.5​	12.4​	15.1​
Last 20 Super Bowls	28.9​	19.5​	9.4​
All Super Bowls	30.2​	16.7​	13.5​

 

[Voyageur]

It's the reason Brady won all those Super Bowls. Offense sells tickets but defense wins championships.

True. You don't go through a 17-game schedule and get a favorable road to the big one without winning those games where defense dominates. Stats in Super Bowls are not the issue to be honest. On any given day an exceptionally good team can beat another exceptionally good team if the breaks in the game, and the game plan find the weaknesses in the opposition.

I hear this old, "Yeah but they gave up 31 points in the Super Bowl. That's not good defense." I disagree. It might be good defense. It's possible that that 31 points could have been 49 or 52, maybe more, if the defense didn't do a good job stopping them.

Every play, every possession, the unexpected can happen and when a good team happens to have those anomalies fall in their favor, they end up winning.

 

[rmontro]

Careful, people will jump all over you for that. Offense in the Super Bowl does not appear to be getting much better. But the defenses are certianly going backwards.

Points given up.	Average offense	Average Defense	Difference
First 20 Super Bowls	27.5​	12.4​	15.1​
Last 20 Super Bowls	28.9​	19.5​	9.4​
All Super Bowls	30.2​	16.7​	13.5​

Not surprising since they keep changing the rules to favor the offense.

 

[OldSchool101]

Aaron Rodgers won the Super Bowl in his third year as a starter. No pressure, though.

Yep. I think it was around there for Farvy also? Maybe year4?

 

[Raptorman]

Yep. I think it was around there for Farvy also? Maybe year4?

When the defense allows 15 points per game or less against, like with Rodgers. Or the 13.1 with Favre.

 

[milani]

Actually that concept is about the only concern I have. Our O ran the ball as much or more than since Ahman Green suited up. That ball control does favor the Defense.
Can GB still rely on the Run but mix in more high probability throws. Less 50 yarders and more hit the TE’s and RB’s more.
Chris Brooks, Luke Musgrave, Savion or Lloyd if/when healthy potentially all help that cause.

Plus a 3rd year Starter at QB and a 2nd season for our DC should help provide consistency. Many examples at QB alone. A player someone recently brought up was Drew Brees. In his first 2 seasons he went
10-17 W-L
28 TD’s 31 INT

The Chargers opted for Philip Rivers as their franchise QB. Not sure why they chose to give up on Brees. I believe we faced Drew Brees in San Diego back around 2003. He put up big yards but threw a pick and lost 2 fumbles to help the Packers win the game. He was trying to gunslinger like Favre.

Actually that concept is about the only concern I have. Our O ran the ball as much or more than since Ahman Green suited up. That ball control does favor the Defense.
Can GB still rely on the Run but mix in more high probability throws. Less 50 yarders and more hit the TE’s and RB’s more.
Chris Brooks, Luke Musgrave, Savion or Lloyd if/when healthy potentially all help that cause.

Plus a 3rd year Starter at QB and a 2nd season for our DC should help provide consistency. Many examples at QB alone. A player someone recently brought up was Drew Brees. In his first 2 seasons he went
10-17 W-L
28 TD’s 31 INT

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Careful, people will jump all over you for that. Offense in the Super Bowl does not appear to be getting much better. But the defenses are certianly going backwards.

Points given up.	Average offense	Average Defense	Difference
First 20 Super Bowls	27.5​	12.4​	15.1​
Last 20 Super Bowls	28.9​	19.5​	9.4​
All Super Bowls	30.2​	16.7​	13.5​

Go back and look at how many times the Patriots Super Bowl teams gave up 30+ points in the playoffs...it's a number you can count on one hand. Super Bowls aren't the only game played in the playoffs.

 

[mradtke66]

The Chargers opted for Philip Rivers as their franchise QB. Not sure why they chose to give up on Brees. I believe we faced Drew Brees in San Diego back around 2003. He put up big yards but threw a pick and lost 2 fumbles to help the Packers win the game. He was trying to gunslinger like Favre.

At a very simplistic level, the start to his career was more middling, which is why they drafted River (well, traded for, with the crazy Eli situation). He started putting the pieces together in year 4, and then he had the shoulder injury in year 5 as his contract expired made it super easy to move on from him.

 

[rmontro]

Yep. I think it was around there for Farvy also? Maybe year4?

Year 5. But if you take being starter out of it, both Favre and Rodgers won it in their sixth year in the league.

 

[El Guapo]

If the Packers remain statistically the youngest team in the league it makes it difficult to get there although they have done it the last 2 years. The difference from a season ago is a much tougher schedule.

They got statistically younger and also improved their likelihood of getting there with the signing of Parsons.

 

[weeds]

It's the reason Brady won all those Super Bowls. Offense sells tickets but defense wins championships.

I'd like to slide in the fact that two of Brady's SB wins might suggest that having a kicker with ice in his veins wins Super Bowls. Oh...I get it, Brady got them into a position to be successful but still ...

Even after the BIG TRADE ... 2024 Packers' divisional record was 1-5 - yeah, I'm still beating that drum. Look, a very light pass rush hurt GB last year to be sure ... I've always believed that the way to beat a maniacal pass rusher was to run right at him. Sacks are flashy. Fans love 'em. Pressure forces QB's to dump shorter passes. Theoretically to a tight end in the middle of the field ... roh roh ... Micah better be on a transporter beam to the QB - I have nightmares of the wide open green space in the middle of the Green Bay defense.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I'd like to slide in the fact that two of Brady's SB wins might suggest that having a kicker with ice in his veins wins Super Bowls. Oh...I get it, Brady got them into a position to be successful but still ...

Even after the BIG TRADE ... 2024 Packers' divisional record was 1-5 - yeah, I'm still beating that drum. Look, a very light pass rush hurt GB last year to be sure ... I've always believed that the way to beat a maniacal pass rusher was to run right at him. Sacks are flashy. Fans love 'em. Pressure forces QB's to dump shorter passes. Theoretically to a tight end in the middle of the field ... roh roh ... Micah better be on a transporter beam to the QB - I have nightmares of the wide open green space in the middle of the Green Bay defense.

Have you heard of this young player the packers have in the middle name of Cooper? If not, you might want to look into how good he looked last year.

 

[Voyageur]

I'd like to slide in the fact that two of Brady's SB wins might suggest that having a kicker with ice in his veins wins Super Bowls. Oh...I get it, Brady got them into a position to be successful but still ...

Even after the BIG TRADE ... 2024 Packers' divisional record was 1-5 - yeah, I'm still beating that drum. Look, a very light pass rush hurt GB last year to be sure ... I've always believed that the way to beat a maniacal pass rusher was to run right at him. Sacks are flashy. Fans love 'em. Pressure forces QB's to dump shorter passes. Theoretically to a tight end in the middle of the field ... roh roh ... Micah better be on a transporter beam to the QB - I have nightmares of the wide open green space in the middle of the Green Bay defense.

When you look at all the games decided by 3 points or less, you begin to realize that those wins could end up losses without a kicker who has ice in his veins. I think LeFleur and Gute learned a lesson as to how much it can cost you when you overlook the need to get one who can be counted on for the big ones. The Patriots always had solid kickers during the Brady era.

Another thing that a good kicker brings is the chance to win a game in the last seconds with kickers who can reach the uprights from 50 to 60 yards out.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It's the reason Brady won all those Super Bowls. Offense sells tickets but defense wins championships.

Amen. I rarely hear about how great the D was on all of those Pat SB wins.

That’s taking nothing away from Brady. 7 rings is not an accident.

I think an elite offense can get a team to the SB. But imo SB teams win the Lombardi with D. So much so that in at least a few SB wins, the defense should have been the MVP. Like the 85 Bears.

If the Packers remain statistically the youngest team in the league it makes it difficult to get there although they have done it the last 2 years. The difference from a season ago is a much tougher schedule.

A very young team can get to the playoffs, look at the Packers’ last two seasons.

But it’s hard to win a SB like that.

True. You don't go through a 17-game schedule and get a favorable road to the big one without winning those games where defense dominates. Stats in Super Bowls are not the issue to be honest. On any given day an exceptionally good team can beat another exceptionally good team if the breaks in the game, and the game plan find the weaknesses in the opposition.

I hear this old, "Yeah but they gave up 31 points in the Super Bowl. That's not good defense." I disagree. It might be good defense. It's possible that that 31 points could have been 49 or 52, maybe more, if the defense didn't do a good job stopping them.

Every play, every possession, the unexpected can happen and when a good team happens to have those anomalies fall in their favor, they end up winning.

There is also the chance the D puts up a lot of points. It's rare, but it happens.

 

[weeds]

Have you heard of this young player the packers have in the middle name of Cooper? If not, you might want to look into how good he looked last year.

Gee whiz...never heard of the guy but now that you have pointed me toward the light, I retract my entire post. Thank you...thank you...thank you...

 

[Pkrjones]

Fyi...
- Reggie White signed with GB & 27 yr old Favre helps Packers win a Super Bowl.
- Charles Woodson signs with GB & 27 yr old Rodgers wins Super Bowl.
- Parsons signs with GB & Love turns 27 in November.

Place your bets now!!

 

[Voyageur]

Fyi...
- Reggie White signed with GB & 27 yr old Favre helps Packers win a Super Bowl.
- Charles Woodson signs with GB & 27 yr old Rodgers wins Super Bowl.
- Parsons signs with GB & Love turns 27 in November.

Place your bets now!!

Zounds!!!! Déjà vu all over again!

 

[OldSchool101]

Fyi...
- Reggie White signed with GB & 27 yr old Favre helps Packers win a Super Bowl.
- Charles Woodson signs with GB & 27 yr old Rodgers wins Super Bowl.
- Parsons signs with GB & Love turns 27 in November.

Place your bets now!!

It’s really Reminiscent of knowing when to push your chips in. I really believe our Staff feels really good about this Roster. No way does Brian swing for the bleachers unless he thinks we are 1 missing piece away from a SB caliber roster.

I’m really curious how our Staff feels about our current IDL with Clark gone. Curious to see how we handle the rotation. Obviously Wyatt. We do have some Size to work inside with Karl Brooks, Wooden, Stackhouse or Brinson.

 

[pacmaniac]

Fyi...
- Reggie White signed with GB & 27 yr old Favre helps Packers win a Super Bowl.
- Charles Woodson signs with GB & 27 yr old Rodgers wins Super Bowl.
- Parsons signs with GB & Love turns 27 in November.

Place your bets now!!

Favre and Rodgers only won one Super Bowl each with the Packers. If Jordan Love wins it this season, and Malik Willis will turn 27 for the 2026 season, what does that mean?

 

[rmontro]

Fyi...
- Reggie White signed with GB & 27 yr old Favre helps Packers win a Super Bowl.
- Charles Woodson signs with GB & 27 yr old Rodgers wins Super Bowl.
- Parsons signs with GB & Love turns 27 in November.

That's a new twist on the 27 club.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'd like to slide in the fact that two of Brady's SB wins might suggest that having a kicker with ice in his veins wins Super Bowls. Oh...I get it, Brady got them into a position to be successful but still ...

Even after the BIG TRADE ... 2024 Packers' divisional record was 1-5 - yeah, I'm still beating that drum. Look, a very light pass rush hurt GB last year to be sure ... I've always believed that the way to beat a maniacal pass rusher was to run right at him. Sacks are flashy. Fans love 'em. Pressure forces QB's to dump shorter passes. Theoretically to a tight end in the middle of the field ... roh roh ... Micah better be on a transporter beam to the QB - I have nightmares of the wide open green space in the middle of the Green Bay defense.

I remember the first Patriots' SB win with Brady. I don't remember who they played, but Vinateri (sp?) made the winning fg (I think it was a walk off), and as I recall it was not a gimme, like 50 yards. And that was the start of a glorious career for Brady, and also for Vinateri. And yeah, Vinateri was born with ice in his veins. That was such a huge kick with over 100 million people watching (or more).

FWIW, there's nothing wrong with pointing out the dismal 1-5 conference record, and two losses to Philly. That has to change, and there's no better time to start than Sept 7th against the Lions.