Where the Packers are in the NFC

[Dayooper]

I fail to see how you've drawn that conclusion that you have The Packers winning 9 games if Rodgers tosses around 40 TDs. -_-

That makes no sense at all, unless you're saying that the defense is going to take a step back. I mean the last time Rodgers threw for 40 TDs was in 2014 and The Packers were 12-4. Plus Rodgers won his second MVP when he did.

Rodgers threw 22 tds last year for 6 wins. New coach, different scheme, Home games not a giving the last few years, a division that is much more evenly matched than 2014. Maybe 40 is a little much but this team is unproven as of now , so it will remain to be seen

 

[Mondio]

There's plenty of potential here, a QB that can do it all, 2 tackles that have seen it all and performed, some decent RB's some decent pass catchers and Adams. Lots of potential on defense with guys that need to learn to play together as a unit.

But this team also has a lot of things working against them. 1st time HC in his 1st season. new offense for everyone, talented but seemingly un durable starting RB, opening on the road. But I still expect them to win tonight

 

[Do7]

I figured I'd revive this thread considering what's been going on in the NFC.

Right now we're in a pretty good spot in both the division and the conference at 2-0.

Unfortunately it would appear our division foes are right behind us, each being at 1-1.

Then we have Dallas and LA being 2-0.

With Brees being out that really changes the in the NFCS and it's up for grabs.

Seattle is the team no one is really talking about as they are also 2-0 and they'll likely be battling with LA for supremecy.

And lastly we have Philly 1-1 after an idiotic blunder last night against the Falcons. (Lucky Bastards)

Not alot of breathing room, but we're definitely in the driver's seat. Let's keep this up.

 

[rmontro]

Then we have Dallas and LA being 2-0.

I hate to say this because I hate the Cowboys with the fire of a thousand suns.
But they kind of remind me of the '96 Packers, just in the way they've put up 30+ points in their first two games. Coming into the season hot, like they're on a mission. I think there are better teams out there though, I don't expect them to win the Super Bowl. I hope not, anyway.

As for the Packers, I'm not sure what to think really. The defense is better than I had expected so far, which is great. But that offense, I can't see going deep into the playoffs the way they're playing.

 

[Do7]

I hate to say this because I hate the Cowboys with the fire of a thousand suns.
But they kind of remind me of the '96 Packers, just in the way they've put up 30+ points in their first two games. Coming into the season hot, like they're on a mission. I think there are better teams out there though, I don't expect them to win the Super Bowl. I hope not, anyway.

As for the Packers, I'm not sure what to think really. The defense is better than I had expected so far, which is great. But that offense, I can't see going deep into the playoffs the way they're playing.

I'm not really buying them considering the two teams they beat are 0-4. Let's see them do that against good teams. The media was hyping them last year, but the reality is other than their win against The Saints and Eagles, they never beat anyone with a winning record. They're overrated imo. They'll be brought back down to earth soon.

 

[gbgary]

with the O looking like it did last year (other than the scripted plays) we should tap the brakes a bit on making comparisons with elite teams. let's see how they are game 8.

 

[PackerFanLV]

oline just not there at gaurd. Just curious question, when was the last time you seen Rodgers do a web sneak for a first down? It could be 4 and a millimeter and the packers would run behind tackles or throw.

 

[Phazael]

Barring Injury, we are the best team in our division. As anemic as it has comparatively been, our offense is what separates us from the Vikes and Bears. Detroit, well the usual dumpster fire of wtf is going on there. Frankly, I don't know how good any other team in the NFC is at the moment, because none of them have really been tested. Maybe Dallas is the best, but beating up their own woeful division is not a real test of their Defense or QB play, in my opinion. I kind of feel the same way about the Rams and Roidhawks for the same reason. And the Niners are not looking any better or worse than the lot, either, frankly. Most of these teams, including us, have had good defenses but have mostly been playing against either second stringers or choke artist QBs. It is genuinely hard to tell, but I think you have the Cowpokes on top, and its a crapshoot from there right now.

What I do know is that we could go either direction and its going to come down to O-Line play. Rogers seems to have bought into the MLF game plan, as of around the 4th quarter yesterday after his 4th down gaffe calmed him down a bit. If he gets more practice with the system and perhaps another serviceable receiver, we are in the mix. If he keeps getting pounded like he has the last two weeks, we are looking at the typical season where we win the division at 9-7, then catch an NFC East team napping in round one, only to be humiliated in the divisional round that follows. Gute needs to look at a team in freefall that is willing to trade a workhorse WR and/or a decent lineman if this is a serious year. That is assuming, of course, that AR's contract is not gobbling all the cash up. Without better protection, AR is going to get knocked out and that's the season, plain and simple. Every game will be like the Bears game for us, at that point.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I’m not bias and i believe I’m definitely a realist. From what I’m seeing as far as rosters, coaching staffs, and depth.. the Packers are probably the 7th best team in the NFC. You still have to line up and play the game, but we’re going to need 2011-12 Rodgers if we realistically have a chance at playing in Miami for a SB. I just don’t see the talent on this years roster like on other teams. Packers have to stop being so conservative in their approach on improving the roster. Yes it’s gotten better, but they still aren’t aggressive as I’d like them to be. Adding a guy like Tunsil or Stills would’ve done wonders. Instead they go to Houston.

Saints
Rams
Eagles
Cowpies
Bears
Seahawks
Packers

“ I just don’t see the talent on this years roster like on other teams.”

Do you mean other Packer teams, or other teams? I find the D incredibly improved. 19 points in two games. As for the O, there is rust, no doubt. But as poorly as the O played after the fast start, Jones rushed for over 100 yards. That eats up yardage, but most important, controls the clock. And that left Cousins with 5 seconds at the end at hos own 20. And without that D, The Packers are likely 0-2. I’m sorry if I misread your comment, but this looks like a much better team than last year. The O will find its footing.

 

[Heyjoe4]

aka I'm a pessimist and it is all doom and gloom.

Poppa San I hope you have your tongue in your cheek.

 

[Heyjoe4]

min and atl can't be dismissed. i don't think they've been conservative. they just have salary constraints that a lot of teams don't. i think the O will be the focus of the next draft and off-season.

Agreed. Next year, I expect them to land a veteran WR in FA, and dramatically improve the O line and depth.

 

[Heyjoe4]

We've already discussed this in the Tier list thread I made, so I'm just gonna copy and paste what I said there.

NFCN: Now for the division I think we're right in the thick of it.

Chi: I still think Chicago will dial it back as a lot of things went their way last year, and I don't think Trubisky will get them over the top.

Min: Minnesota will try to keep up, but I really don't fear their defense nor do I trust Kirk Cousins' arm.

Det: Detroit imo is the team we should keep our eyes on, I feel like everyone is so focused on Chicago and Minnesota, but The Lions could creep up and make things interesting. I think we'll win the division soundly this year.

NFC: Honestly there is no team in the conference that really scares me.

Dal: Dallas I think is overrated, and the only reason their defense was good last year was because of the ******/mediocre competition they were facing last year. The only impressive win they had were against The Saints, and I'll address them in a second. Dak is an slightly above average QB, Zeke is the heart and soul of that team, and they will go as far as he can carry them. I expect Dallas' Defense to get exposed this year. In fact I'm on the record saying they'll miss the playoffs.

Phi: Out of all the teams in the conference, this team is the one that concerns me the most. I do like Wentz and Philly has the weapons on offense to make it into a shootout or a slow and ugly game. It's kinda pick your poison with them. Plus there receivers are HUGE. Fortunately they have a tendency to play down to their competition and but should Wentz return to MVP form, we could have a problem on our hands.

LA: I've lost all respect for The Rams after they got exposed by New England the way they did. I was never of the mindset that this team were head and shoulders better than everyone else. Hell they got lucky to get passed N.O. I don't think Geoff is as good as everyone makes him. I think their defense is exceptional, but as we proved when we played them, they can be scored on. I think we match fairly well again them if i'm being honest.

N.O: Ah New Orleans...Where do I begin with these guys. On one hand as long as they have Drew Brees, you have to respect this team and always see them as a potential threat, especially considering how good they were at the beginning of the year. But then you look at the second half of the season and you could clearly see that they were losing steam. The Saints I see as a team that individual that burns himself out by exerting all his energy at the beginning of a marathon run. I don't doubt that Brees and The Saints will try to go on a revenge tour this year, but personally I think that will be to their detriment. To quote one of my favorite lines from the movie The Crow: "Victims...Aren't we all?"

ATL: I hope i'm wrong, but for some reason I get the feeling that they're going to pose a threat this year. I won't lie, I would rather avoid this team, not because I don't think we can beat them, but to rather avoid the headache. On paper they look good. Let's just thank God that they always end up in a grueling battle within their division.

SEA: Under no circumstances do I fear this team...at all. Out of all the teams, this is the team I REALLY would like for us to face in the playoffs. This team has been a thorn in our side over the past several years. I have no reason to dislike RW but for some reason I just can't bring myself to like him. But in any case. I expect them to be in the hunt this year, but I actually see them missing the post season this time around. I think it'll be a first for RW. They're an average team at best. Nothing on their team really scares me, offensively or defensively. We SHOULD'VE won up there last year. That game I blame on Rodgers. But I think we match up VERY well against them.

Nice summary. I don’t think Goff is a franchise QB. Brees looks to be out 4 to 6 weeks, and that alone could end their season.

And yeah, watch out for Detroit. Just ask Philip Rivers.....

 

[Do7]

Nice summary. I don’t think Goff is a franchise QB. Brees looks to be out 4 to 6 weeks, and that alone could end their season.

And yeah, watch out for Detroit. Just ask Philip Rivers.....

I CAN'T believe they beat The Chargers, but then again considering how the Chargers just folded against New England last year, I shouldn't be surprised. I've lost a whole lot of respect for them in regards to how formidable they are as a team. Them losing to Detroit only made it worse.

I'm just pissed that Philly let Atlanta win last night on that lucky *** throw from Ryan to Jones. I can't stand Atlanta.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Barring Injury, we are the best team in our division. As anemic as it has comparatively been, our offense is what separates us from the Vikes and Bears. Detroit, well the usual dumpster fire of wtf is going on there. Frankly, I don't know how good any other team in the NFC is at the moment, because none of them have really been tested. Maybe Dallas is the best, but beating up their own woeful division is not a real test of their Defense or QB play, in my opinion. I kind of feel the same way about the Rams and Roidhawks for the same reason. And the Niners are not looking any better or worse than the lot, either, frankly. Most of these teams, including us, have had good defenses but have mostly been playing against either second stringers or choke artist QBs. It is genuinely hard to tell, but I think you have the Cowpokes on top, and its a crapshoot from there right now.

What I do know is that we could go either direction and its going to come down to O-Line play. Rogers seems to have bought into the MLF game plan, as of around the 4th quarter yesterday after his 4th down gaffe calmed him down a bit. If he gets more practice with the system and perhaps another serviceable receiver, we are in the mix. If he keeps getting pounded like he has the last two weeks, we are looking at the typical season where we win the division at 9-7, then catch an NFC East team napping in round one, only to be humiliated in the divisional round that follows. Gute needs to look at a team in freefall that is willing to trade a workhorse WR and/or a decent lineman if this is a serious year. That is assuming, of course, that AR's contract is not gobbling all the cash up. Without better protection, AR is going to get knocked out and that's the season, plain and simple. Every game will be like the Bears game for us, at that point.

The weakest group is the O line, and that’s not good for Rodgers. Maybe they gel, but it’s a talent question, or lack thereof. In FA, look for them to add a veteran WR and O lineman.

If not sooner.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I CAN'T believe they beat The Chargers, but then again considering how the Chargers just folded against New England last year, I shouldn't be surprised. I've lost a whole lot of respect for them in regards to how formidable they are as a team. Them losing to Detroit only made it worse.

I'm just pissed that Philly let Atlanta win last night on that lucky *** throw from Ryan to Jones. I can't stand Atlanta.

You never know what you’ll get with Detroit. But they’ve already acclimated TJ Hockenson, so for us to beat them will require another stellar performance from the D. Although that might be true most of the season.

The Falcons stunned me last night. The again, the Eagles were really banged up at WR. I hate the Falcons, but must admit they played well last night. Just too early to tell what it means. They have a hell of a receiving corps in Jones, Ridley, and Sanu - not to mention Freeman.

As for the Chargers, and as good as Rivers is, they always seem to fail at money time.

 

[XPack]

Bears ad Vikings are couple of top defences and coming out 2-0 against them is big.

Cowboys and then Chiefs are the big test.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Bears ad Vikings are couple of top defences and coming out 2-0 against them is big.

Cowboys and then Chiefs are the big test.

 

[Dantés]

Two weeks in, Dallas appears to me to be the only "super power" in the NFC for the time being.

The Saints were probably the next closest, but now they're going to be without Brees for 6-8 games.

The Rams are certainly a good team, but nothing that I've seen from them makes them look like a juggernaut this year.

The Eagles' offense, much like the Packers, seems to have some serious bouts of ineptitude.

The Bears, by rights, ought to be 0-2. They were gift wrapped a win against the lowly Broncos yesterday.

The Seahawks are tough to gauge. Their defense has not been nearly as stout as I expected, and they seem to limit themselves on offense, but Wilson just finds ways to win games.

The 49ers might be emerging as a very interesting team in the conference, having trounced two teams (albeit also-rans) on the road to open the season. I will be intrigued to see them play some quality opponents.

And then you have the Packers. If this defense sticks and the offense finds a groove, then they have as good a chance as any of being one of the top teams in the NFC.

But of course, much will look different in two more weeks, and in four more weeks, and so on.

 

[Do7]

Everyone is overrating the Cowboys...

 

[XPack]

Everyone is overrating the Cowboys...

This.

They beat Giants and Redskins who both are closer to floor than ceiling. They have Tanking Dolphins and Backup QB Saints next so in all probability will be a 4-0 team when they visit us. And even a crappy Giants and Skins offense put 15+ points against them.

We'll be their first proper challenge and I think favourites to win this.

 

[Pugger]

Barring Injury, we are the best team in our division. As anemic as it has comparatively been, our offense is what separates us from the Vikes and Bears. Detroit, well the usual dumpster fire of wtf is going on there. Frankly, I don't know how good any other team in the NFC is at the moment, because none of them have really been tested. Maybe Dallas is the best, but beating up their own woeful division is not a real test of their Defense or QB play, in my opinion. I kind of feel the same way about the Rams and Roidhawks for the same reason. And the Niners are not looking any better or worse than the lot, either, frankly. Most of these teams, including us, have had good defenses but have mostly been playing against either second stringers or choke artist QBs. It is genuinely hard to tell, but I think you have the Cowpokes on top, and its a crapshoot from there right now.

What I do know is that we could go either direction and its going to come down to O-Line play. Rogers seems to have bought into the MLF game plan, as of around the 4th quarter yesterday after his 4th down gaffe calmed him down a bit. If he gets more practice with the system and perhaps another serviceable receiver, we are in the mix. If he keeps getting pounded like he has the last two weeks, we are looking at the typical season where we win the division at 9-7, then catch an NFC East team napping in round one, only to be humiliated in the divisional round that follows. Gute needs to look at a team in freefall that is willing to trade a workhorse WR and/or a decent lineman if this is a serious year. That is assuming, of course, that AR's contract is not gobbling all the cash up. Without better protection, AR is going to get knocked out and that's the season, plain and simple. Every game will be like the Bears game for us, at that point.

 

[Do7]

This.

They beat Giants and Redskins who both are closer to floor than ceiling. They have Tanking Dolphins and Backup QB Saints next so in all probability will be a 4-0 team when they visit us. And even a crappy Giants and Skins offense put 15+ points against them.

We'll be their first proper challenge and I think favourites to win this.

The funny thing is about their run last year, outside of The Saints and The Eagles, they didn't beat a team with a winning record. It's cute how Dallas fans think they are so much better than everyone and how great Dak is when he really isn't. They may by some fluke beat us, but I guarantee we'll have the last laugh like last time.

 

[rodell330]

Nice summary. I don’t think Goff is a franchise QB. Brees looks to be out 4 to 6 weeks, and that alone could end their season.

And yeah, watch out for Detroit. Just ask Philip Rivers.....

If not for a second half collapse in Arizona Detroit is also 2-0

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

If not for a second half collapse in Arizona Detroit is also 2-0

And if that stupid NFL OT rule didn't shorten that game they lose. Which is why I don't buy them at all.

Sorry but you let both a rookie HC and QB combo come back on you and blow it like that, you're overrated.


Unless Detroit goes on a 13-3 roll or something (which they will not), they aren't getting one damn ounce of respect from me. Not one. Overrated lucky fluke team that's done nothing.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

The Falcons stunned me last night. The again, the Eagles were really banged up at WR. I hate the Falcons, but must admit they played well last night. Just too early to tell what it means. They have a hell of a receiving corps in Jones, Ridley, and Sanu - not to mention Freeman.

I told people not to write them off just because they lost in Minny week 1