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What ya think about TT???

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by captainWIMM, Dec 5, 2013.

  1. captainWIMM

    captainWIMM Cheesehead

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    Colts fired their GM after going 2-14, you obviously haven't watched any Chiefs or Cardinals games this season.

    While I agree that it's very tough to be a Super Bowl contender with mediocre QB play a lot of these teams would be able to do better than 1-4-1 vs. mostly bad teams.


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  2. Bus Cook

    Bus Cook You're never alone with a schizophrenic

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    The last few games point to a decidedly, apparently not.
     
  3. GoPGo

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    Pro Football Focus ranks our OL #13 as of November 20. They're a lot more objective than you, so the idea that our OL is poor holds no water.
     
  4. captainWIMM

    captainWIMM Cheesehead

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    I was talking about talent on the entire roster.



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  5. GoPGo

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    I was referring to other threads in the past, genius. I simply choose to point out ignorance where I find it, and you've been vomiting it all over this forum for far too long.
     
  6. 13 Times Champs

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    I won't disagree about the OL being bad right now but you have to wonder what would have been if Bulaga and Sherrod had remained healthy. Take a look back at the way these guys were looked at in their draft years and where at least one source ranked them. I blame Thompson ...and Capers for the defense but you just can't say TT neglected the OL.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/357192-is-this-offensive-line-class-weak-or-strong/page/3

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...top-15-offensive-lineman-in-the-draft/page/15
     
  7. Carl

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    You're right. The Colts hired a new GM. He picked a QB number one and now the team is much better. A new GM can't come into Green Bay and do the same.

    The Chiefs and Cardinals were not good teams last year. Now they have better QB's and are playoff contenders. Coincidence? How about all my other examples?

    As far as 1-4-1, all you can do is speculate that other teams would have done better. I'd think you'd give facts since that's what you want.

    Besides, the 1-4-1 isn't just about talent. The defense just played a dominating game and played well the first half of the season. Maybe they don't have enough talent to make up for a lot of mistakes, but clearly there is enough talent to play well.
     
  8. captainWIMM

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    OK, so you decided it's fair to forget about the last two games in which they gave up 12 sacks.

    Just curious, which PFF stat are you referring to???


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  9. 13 Times Champs

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    The defense wasn't dominant in the first half of the Atlanta game.
     
  10. Bus Cook

    Bus Cook You're never alone with a schizophrenic

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    So then this would have been a particularly bad thread to have posted your comments in.
     
  11. Carl

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    They gave up one long scoring drive during the game. The other one was under 15 yards long. They forced three and outs and produced two turnovers. Overall, it was a dominating game.
     
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    Just when you think you're out?? they pull you back in!!! haha. But seriously i'm trying to stay out of this debate as best i can. Bus makes some good points about TT tho that we can't ignore. He's also posted some facts and stats to back it up too..i don't think the guy is cazy..he just feels strongly about his opinions of TT as well as the ones who will support TT.
     
  13. Carl

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    Haha. I couldn't help myself.
     
  14. rodell330

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    We will agree to disagree on this one and say it was a dominating 2nd half? Jackson was running all over them in the 1st half and Ryan was having his way with the secondary as we couldn't get off the field on third down in the first half to save our lives.
     
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  15. Carl

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    We can disagree. I just think giving up basically 7 points the whole game makes it a dominating game as a whole. Yes, the second half was better though.
     
  16. GoPGo

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    Sure, whatever you say, Bus. You're always right after all :rolleyes:
     
  17. captainWIMM

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    Only three teams in the league have a worst record over the entire season than the Packers winning percentage over the last six games.

    Assuming you agree with me that there aren't 28 good to great QBs in the league there are a lot of teams out there that have more talent on their roster aside of the QB position because they somehow manage to win some games with mediocre QB play.


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  18. 13 Times Champs

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    That's your op. Most reviews of the game say they didn't play a good first half. And don't forget how bad the Falcons have been on offense this year.
     
  19. Carl

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    I don't think comparing a few games to a whole season is a very good comparison. Teams go through up and down stretches all the time. The Broncos are only .500 their last four games, but are much better than a .500 team. The Ravens ended their regular season last year 1-4 and then won it all. The Jaguars are 4-1 recently. We all know they aren't good.

    Six games without Rodgers isn't long enough to declare TT a poor GM.
     
  20. longtimefan

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    a dominating def is only about how many rushing yards is allowed?? Or is it how many points they allow?

    2005 pack def ranked #1 vs the pass... False stat..

    The def allowed 14 points and 7 was from a very short field with some one allowing to be faked out by TG who is much slower than him..

    Not saying they dominatied but played very well considering
     
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    Fazeman Setting The Pace

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    My stock definitely supports "The Ghost."
     
  22. ThxJackVainisi

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    Keep in mind if the Thompson hater had his way, Aaron Rodgers would not be a Green Bay Packer today because if he were in charge at the time he would have been reaching in the draft for weapons for his hero. And he would have spent this last off season begging his hero on bended knee to play. Also imagine what the Thompson hater’s emotion was when Rodgers was selected. He can pretend to love Rodgers now, after the fact his immense talent can’t be argued. But because of his love for his hero, you know he didn’t want Thompson’s chosen one to succeed.

    Thompson deserves criticism for drafting Justin Harrell because he had an injury history dating back to high school. If Sherrod would have been healthy and turned out not to be an NFL-quality player, that too would be Thompson’s fault. But it is not his fault the two players he envisioned starting at OT are currently on IR.
     
  23. Bus Cook

    Bus Cook You're never alone with a schizophrenic

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    Show me were I posted that. I'll wait.

    Truth > made up sh!t
     
  24. captainWIMM

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    I think you would have a hard time finding a lot of Packers fans who liked the pick in 2005. Aside of you, of course, because you already knew by then how great Rodgers was.


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  25. DevilDon

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    Garbage? Where were Bulaga and Sherrod ranked for OT in their respective draft classes? Where was Bahktiari? Most had him at OG.
    Every fan and analyst agrees that a portion of ARs sacks are a result of him holding the ball too long. I'm okay with it, he's often going to make a great play but it doesn't negate that fact that it's partly on him.
    And while you moan about TTs picks you will please admit you have no clue what you might have done. You will please admit you are not a better talent evaluator than TT. You will please admit you don't have the foggiest clue how to manage a salary cap.
    I get you're one of those people who feels empowered by putting down others. We've all encountered people of your ilk. You don't fool anybody though. You complain about other's performance when you have no clue how to improve it. That's like telling Aaron Rodgers he should put more shoulder in his passes.
    Because you know Bus... you could improve him too.
     
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