What ya think about TT???

[13 Times Champs]

As I recall both Sherrod and Bulaga were rated as the third best OT's in the drafts they were picked. They weren't garbage picks.

 

[TJV]

You are wasting your time, LTF. What would the Thompson hater do? Here's his answer: "I don't pretend to know who is out there and how good they are, nor do I have a crytal ball that enables me to know who will be good on our team two years from now." He doesn't know anything about talent available, cap consequences of an acquisition, the effect it would have on other positions, or STs, or the player’s effect on the locker. He's here to spew his hatred of Thompson and ***** about him. And to top it off he posts Thompson deserves no credit for any of the team's success, only blame for failures. That tells you everything you need to know.

 

[longtimefan]

Drafting garbage is ignoring. He doesn't get A for effort just because he's drafted almost 30 olinmen, the vast majority of whick just plain sucked. I like Bulaga too, but he's been injured more than 50% of the time. You can't count that as a hit. Sure its not TT fault he gets injured every year, but it doesn't make him a hit.

17 ol in 9 years..Not 30..

So he gets no credit for Sitton, Buluga, TJ, Bakhtiari? Buluga was a rookie and we won the SB with him..

Do you give him credit for Nick Collins?

You can list names and give stats and makeup a fantasy Oline with your best 5 TT oline picks but at the end to the day, we have had the most sacks in the NFL over the last three years. If you are trying to protect some bum, that may be fine, but we now are painfully aware, that AR and BF are crown jewels. Priority #1 should be to protect them.

Right now we are 10th in most sacks allowed
2012 2nd
2011 11th

Just a fast calculation I have Arizona at 148 and Packers 129 for 2013, 2012, and 2011 years

Arizona for 2012, 2011, and 2010 is 162 Same time frame 2010 to 2012 Packers allowed 130 sacks..

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2010/

Your numbers or assesment is wrong on the Packers giving up the most sacks in last 3 years

I would have recognised that my drafting skills where not up to par with the headlines about them, and gone after some proven horses to protect my QBs. When and if my draft projects came along, I could discard the FA and move on. When your team is the worst at giving up sacks and set a record for games not rushing for 100 yards, it can't be that difficult to find replacement for the Barbres and Newhouses of the world.

What players are the high horses? Who would you have signed as a free agent?

 

[easyk83]

You are wasting your time, LTF. What would the Thompson hater do? Here's his answer: "I don't pretend to know who is out there and how good they are, nor do I have a crytal ball that enables me to know who will be good on our team two years from now." He doesn't know anything about talent available, cap consequences of an acquisition, the effect it would have on other positions, or STs, or the player’s effect on the locker. He's here to spew his hatred of Thompson and ***** about him. And to top it off he posts Thompson deserves no credit for any of the team's success, only blame for failures. That tells you everything you need to know.

You forgot the obsession with signing any and all available big names in Free Agency. I keep hoping these characters will migrate over to the Cowboys or Redskins Boards. Jerry Jones seems to be their ideal.

 

[Bus Cook]

I never said that EVERY pick by TT for our Oline was bad, but the fact remains over the last three years AR was the most sacked QB in the NFL and we held a record for most games without a 100 yard back. If you don't see a problem there, I'll just have to agree to disagree. As to who to get, not sure. Maybe someone that one of the other 31 teams has that didn't let one of their QBs get sacked more than any other QB in the NFL or that blocked for a RB that gained 100 yards in a game. I get the homerism here but really? Defending our line? Take a better shot. Its terrible.

 

[Bus Cook]

http://www.pro-football-reference.c...pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y

Rk Player Year Age Draft Tm Lg G GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk ▾ Y/A SkYds AY/A ANY/A Y/G W L T
1 Jay Cutler 2010 27 1-11 CHI NFL 15 15 261 432 60.42% 3274 23 16 86.3 52 7.58 352 6.98 5.50 218.3 10 5 0
2 Aaron Rodgers 2012 29 1-24 GNB NFL 16 16 371 552 67.21% 4295 39 8 108.0 51 7.78 293 8.54 7.33 268.4 11 5 0
3 Philip Rivers 2012 31 1-4 SDG NFL 16 16 338 527 64.14% 3606 26 15 88.6 49 6.84 311 6.55 5.45 225.4 7 9 0
4 Andy Dalton 2012 25 2-35 CIN NFL 16 16 329 528 62.31% 3669 27 16 87.4 46 6.95 229 6.61 5.68 229.3 10 6 0
5 Alex Smith 2011 27 1-1 SFO NFL 16 16 273 445 61.35% 3144 17 5 90.7 44 7.07 263 7.32 6.13 196.5 13 3 0
6 Tarvaris Jackson 2011 28 2-64 SEA NFL 15 14 271 450 60.22% 3091 14 13 79.2 42 6.87 293 6.19 5.07 206.1 7 7 0
7 Andrew Luck 2012 23 1-1 IND NFL 16 16 339 627 54.07% 4374 23 18 76.5 41 6.98 246 6.42 5.66 273.4 11 5 0
8 Joe Flacco 2010 25 1-18 BAL NFL 16 16 306 489 62.58% 3622 25 10 93.6 40 7.41 294 7.51 6.39 226.4 12 4 0
9 Ben Roethlisberger 2011 29 1-11 PIT NFL 15 15 324 513 63.16% 4077 21 14 90.1 40 7.95 269 7.54 6.51 271.8 11 4 0
10 Blaine Gabbert 2011 22 1-10 JAX NFL 15 14 210 413 50.85% 2214 12 11 65.4 40 5.36 293 4.74 3.68 147.6 4 10 0
11 Mark Sanchez 2011 25 1-5 NYJ NFL 16 16 308 543 56.72% 3474 26 18 78.2 39 6.40 243 5.86 5.05 217.1 8 8 0
12 Philip Rivers 2010 29 1-4 SDG NFL 16 16 357 541 65.99% 4710 30 13 101.8 38 8.71 227 8.73 7.77 294.4 9 7 0
13 Jay Cutler 2012 29 1-11 CHI NFL 15 15 255 434 58.76% 3033 19 14 81.3 38 6.99 250 6.41 5.37 202.2 10 5 0
14 Donovan McNabb 2010 34 1-2 WAS NFL 13 13 275 472 58.26% 3377 14 15 77.1 37 7.15 271 6.32 5.33 259.8 5 8 0
15 Aaron Rodgers 2011 28 1-24 GNB NFL 15 15 343 502 68.33% 4643 45 6 122.5 36 9.25 219 10.50 9.39 309.5 14 1 0
16 Matthew Stafford 2011 23 1-1 DET NFL 16 16 421 663 63.50% 5038 41 16 97.2 36 7.60 257 7.75 6.98 314.9 10 6 0
17 Tony Romo 2011 31 DAL NFL 16 16 346 522 66.28% 4184 31 10 102.5 36 8.02 227 8.34 7.40 261.5 8 8 0
18 Tony Romo 2012 32 DAL NFL 16 16 425 648 65.59% 4903 28 19 90.5 36 7.57 263 7.11 6.35 306.4 8 8 0
19 Cam Newton 2012 23 1-1 CAR NFL 16 16 280 485 57.73% 3869 19 12 86.2 36 7.98 244 7.65 6.65 241.8 7 9 0
20 Matt Moore 2011 27 MIA NFL 13 12 210 347 60.52% 2497 16 9 87.1 36 7.20 229 6.95 5.70 192.1 6 6 0
21 Sam Bradford 2011 24 1-1 STL NFL 10 10 191 357 53.50% 2164 6 6 70.5 36 6.06 248 5.64 4.49 216.4 1 9 0
22 Joe Flacco 2012 27 1-18 BAL NFL 16 16 317 531 59.70% 3817 22 10 87.7 35 7.19 227 7.17 6.33 238.6 10 6 0
23 Sam Bradford 2012 25 1-1 STL NFL 16 16 328 551 59.53% 3702 21 13 82.6 35 6.72 233 6.42 5.64 231.4 7 8 1
24 Cam Newton 2011 22 1-1 CAR NFL 16 16 310 517 59.96% 4051 21 17 84.5 35 7.84 260 7.17 6.24 253.2 6 10 0
25 Ryan Tannehill 2012 24 1-8 MIA NFL 16 16 282 484 58.26% 3294 12 13 76.1 35 6.81 234 6.09 5.23 205.9 7 9 0
26 Michael Vick 2010 30 1-1 PHI NFL 12 11 233 372 62.63% 3018 21 6 100.2 34 8.11 210 8.52 7.29 251.5 8 3 0
27 Kyle Orton 2010 28 4-106 DEN NFL 13 13 293 498 58.84% 3653 20 9 87.5 34 7.34 243 7.33 6.40 281.0 3 10 0
28 Sam Bradford 2010 23 1-1 STL NFL 16 16 354 590 60.00% 3512 18 15 76.5 34 5.95 244 5.42 4.73 219.5 7 9 0
29 Mark Sanchez 2012 26 1-5 NYJ NFL 15 15 246 453 54.30% 2883 13 18 66.9 34 6.36 209 5.15 4.36 192.2 6 9 0
30 Russell Wilson 2012 24 3-75 SEA NFL 16 16 252 393 64.12% 3118 26 10 100.0 33 7.93 203 8.11 7.01 194.9 11 5 0
31 David Garrard 2010 32 4-108 JAX NFL 14 2 236 366 64.48% 2734 23 15 90.8 33 7.47 253 6.88 5.68 195.3 8 6 0
32 Jason Campbell 2010 29 1-25 OAK NFL 13 12 194 329 58.97% 2387 13 8 84.5 33 7.26 208 6.95 5.74 183.6 7 5 0
33 Tim Tebow 2011 24 1-25 DEN NFL 14 11 126 271 46.49% 1729 12 6 72.9 33 6.38 225 6.27 4.85 123.5 7 4 0
34 Tom Brady 2011 34 6-199 NWE NFL 16 16 401 611 65.63% 5235 39 12 105.6 32 8.57 173 8.96 8.25 327.2 13 3 0
35 Matt Schaub 2010 29 3-90 HOU NFL 16 16 365 574 63.59% 4370 24 12 92.0 32 7.61 226 7.51 6.74 273.1 6 10 0
36 Christian Ponder 2012 24 1-12 MIN NFL 16 16 300 483 62.11% 2935 18 12 81.2 32 6.08 184 5.70 4.99 183.4 10 6 0
37 Ben Roethlisberger 2010 28 1-11 PIT NFL 12 12 240 389 61.70% 3200 17 5 97.0 32 8.23 220 8.52 7.35 266.7 9 3 0
38 Colt McCoy 2011 24 3-85 CLE NFL 13 13 265 463 57.24% 2733 14 11 74.6 32 5.90 173 5.44 4.74 210.2 4 9 0
39 Aaron Rodgers 2010 27 1-24 GNB NFL 15 15 312 475 65.68% 3922 28 11 101.2 31 8.26 193 8.39 7.50 261.5 10 5 0

 

[Bus Cook]

For his career, not taking into account not starting for 3.5 years
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Sk Years Teams
1. Ben Roethlisberger (30) 383 2004-2013 pit
2. Matt Hasselbeck (37) 342 1999-2013 4TM
3. Tom Brady (35) 339 2000-2013 nwe
4. Michael Vick (32) 287 2001-2013 2TM
5. Peyton Manning (36) 268 1998-2013 2TM
6. David Carr (33) 267 2002-2012 4TM
7. Drew Brees (33) 260 2001-2013 2TM
8. Eli Manning (31) 246 2004-2013 nyg
9. Philip Rivers (31) 245 2004-2013 sdg
10. Carson Palmer (33) 239 2004-2013 3TM
11. Aaron Rodgers (29) 229 2005-2013 gnb

 

[TJV]

I never said that EVERY pick by TT for our Oline was bad...

I don't give on(sic) bit of credit to Wolf or Thompson.

Again, this poster is only here to criticize Thompson. He gives him no credit for his many successes. He's only here to spread his hatred of Thompson.

 

[Vltrophy]

He's better than most. No 1 GM will ever draft perfectly every time. It's impossible. On a scale of 1-10 I'd give him a 7 at best. His 2 best picks were Rodgers & Matthews of course Harrell was one of his worst

 

[13 Times Champs]

Could we get the guy who did the signing at Mandela's memorial service to interpret the last two posts by Bus?

 

[Bus Cook]

Could we get the guy who did the signing at Mandela's memorial service to interpret the last two posts by Bus?

LOL. The 2nd one is pretty easy to read, the first one,not so much so I put the link to the source at the top of the post. When I was posting that, I was seeing angels.

 

[longtimefan]

LOL. The 2nd one is pretty easy to read, the first one,not so much so I put the link to the source at the top of the post. When I was posting that, I was seeing angels.

You said

we have had the most sacks in the NFL over the last three years

I shown numbers to say that you were wrong..

Now your changing to just Rodgers....Then yes you are correct...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

He doesn't know anything about talent available, cap consequences of an acquisition, the effect it would have on other positions, or STs, or the player’s effect on the locker. He's here to spew his hatred of Thompson and ***** about him. And to top it off he posts Thompson deserves no credit for any of the team's success, only blame for failures. That tells you everything you need to know.

Well, and you don't realize Thompson makes mistakes as well and discredit posters who back up their criticism with facts.

As Bus stated Rodgers was the most sacked QB in the league from 2010-12 and the Packers didn't have a 100-yard rusher for more than 40 consecutive games. So what's to like about the OL???

And BTW this team is 1-4-1 without Rodgers now, playing against opponents that entered these games a combined 22-36 (.379). Before the season the easiest strength of schedule for any team in the league was .430!!! And they have given up 20 sacks over that period, which is the third-highest total in the league over that span.

So maybe you can for once come up with facts about why this team has a lot of talent without Rodgers.


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[TJV]

Well, and you don't realize Thompson makes mistakes as well and discredit posters who back up their criticism with facts.

And you are still having problems following along. Of course Thompson has made mistakes.

Bus has stated he hates Thompson and gives him no credit for any of his successes. There is no convincing someone who refuses to analyze Thompson, or anyone else, objectively. I will only respond to his BS to remind others of his extreme anti-Thompson bias. To the extent you support him (while alleging you aren't a Favre-loving Thompson hater like him), shame on you.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

And you are still having problems following along. Of course Thompson has made mistakes.

Bus has stated he hates Thompson and gives him no credit for any of his successes. There is no convincing someone who refuses to analyze Thompson, or anyone else, objectively. I will only respond to his BS to remind others of his extreme anti-Thompson bias. To the extent you support him (while alleging you aren't a Favre-loving Thompson hater like him), shame on you.

What a surprise, once again not a single fact in one of your posts, but you again managed to discredit two members of this forum.


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[Carl]

Well, and you don't realize Thompson makes mistakes as well and discredit posters who back up their criticism with facts.

As Bus stated Rodgers was the most sacked QB in the league from 2010-12 and the Packers didn't have a 100-yard rusher for more than 40 consecutive games. So what's to like about the OL???

And BTW this team is 1-4-1 without Rodgers now, playing against opponents that entered these games a combined 22-36 (.379). Before the season the easiest strength of schedule for any team in the league was .430!!! And they have given up 20 sacks over that period, which is the third-highest total in the league over that span.

So maybe you can for once come up with facts about why this team has a lot of talent without Rodgers.


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I realize I said a wasn't going to post on this topic anymore, but I changed my mind.

A record of 32-11 during that 43 game streak without a 100 yard rusher. (Give or take a few as I counted quickly.)

And during 2010-12 with the poor pass blocking, a Superbowl and the second longest winning streak in NFL history.

Those are facts.

If you and Bus would rather complain about the o-line during those times rather than be happy about the winning, then you'll never be satisfied.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

A record of 32-11 during that 43 game streak without a 100 yard rusher. (Give or take a few as I counted quickly.)

And during 2010-12 with the poor pass blocking, a Superbowl and the second longest winning streak in NFL history.

Those are facts.

Aaron Rodgers is the only reason why the Packers won that many games with a poor OL, the last six games have proven that.

What you don't realize though is that that record could even be better with a good OL.

The Packers will be a contender as long as Rodgers is healthy, but with the supporting cast he's been given by Thompson over the last few years I'm afraid Rodgers will suffer a similar fate as Favre did and win "only" obe Super Bowl. And we'll complain after his career that the Packers didn't provide him with enough weapons.


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[Bus Cook]

I realize I said a wasn't going to post on this topic anymore, but I changed my mind.

A record of 32-11 during that 43 game streak without a 100 yard rusher. (Give or take a few as I counted quickly.)

And during 2010-12 with the poor pass blocking, a Superbowl and the second longest winning streak in NFL history.

Those are facts.

If you and Bus would rather complain about the o-line during those times rather than be happy about the winning, then you'll never be satisfied.

Actually they are not facts. Our oline was better because TT didn't have a chance to replace Wells, Clifton and Tauscher yet, so our Oline was OK. Cliffy could pass block longer than he could stand. And thats the part that really frosts my goat. You could see TT letting go of great Olineman, one by one, and yet it didn't appear that we was replacing them well enough. You could see it coming. Then the last holdover (Clifton) goes and we have that peroid of AR being more sacked that any other QB in the NFL. Coincidence?

 

[Carl]

Well, and you don't realize Thompson makes mistakes as well and discredit posters who back up their criticism with facts.

As Bus stated Rodgers was the most sacked QB in the league from 2010-12 and the Packers didn't have a 100-yard rusher for more than 40 consecutive games. So what's to like about the OL???

And BTW this team is 1-4-1 without Rodgers now, playing against opponents that entered these games a combined 22-36 (.379). Before the season the easiest strength of schedule for any team in the league was .430!!! And they have given up 20 sacks over that period, which is the third-highest total in the league over that span.

So maybe you can for once come up with facts about why this team has a lot of talent without Rodgers.


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And if you want facts about how teams win and lose with their QB's, here are some:

Colts without Manning 2-14. Vikings 3-13 with bad Favre. Texans awful when Schaub gets worse. Chiefs now one of the best with Smith. Cardinals much better with Warner and now with Palmer. Seahawks not contenders until Wilson. 49ers not contenders until Smith gets better and then Kaepernick plays well. Redskins make the playoffs last season with a good RG3. Eagles much worse after McNabb. Vick plays well and they get better. Vick plays worse and the team is worse. Now Foles plays well and they are better. The Lions always terrible until Stafford comes around and they make the playoffs. Saints weren't contenders until Brees. Packers NFC championship with Favre, 6-10 in Rodgers first year, and then get better when Rodgers gets better. Bengals don't make the playoffs until Dalton comes around. Those are all off the top of my head. Cassel's season was an exception.

Only two teams have won the Super Bowl in recent history with average QB play. Both of those teams had historically good defenses. Look at the Browns right now. Good defense + bad QB play = bad team. The Jaguars, Raiders, and Bills have all been awful for years and guess what? They've had bad QB play for years.

So tell me more about how the Packers should be better without Rodgers and his backup. Why don't you give me facts to show how teams do well with their third/fourth option?

The vast majority of the time, teams win with good QB play and lose with bad QB play. That's a fact.

 

[Carl]

Actually they are not facts. Our oline was better because TT didn't have a chance to replace Wells, Clifton and Tauscher yet, so our Oline was OK. Cliffy could pass block longer than he could stand. And thats the part that really frosts my goat. You could see TT letting go of great Olineman, one by one, and yet it didn't appear that we was replacing them well enough. You could see it coming. Then the last holdover (Clifton) goes and we have that peroid of AR being more sacked that any other QB in the NFL. Coincidence?

It's not a fact that they won a lot?

 

[GoPGo]

Again, this poster is only here to criticize Thompson. He gives him no credit for his many successes. He's only here to spread his hatred of Thompson.

Exactly. I recommend a mass ignore on him because no amount of reason gets through his skull and he just keeps hijacking threads every chance he gets to spew the same BS over and over. There's nothing to be gained from attempting any form of civil discourse with him. I really don't know what he thinks he's accomplishing.

 

[Bus Cook]

It's not a fact that they won a lot?

You posted as if they we winning alot with THIS line. I merely pointed out that you were wrong. Some of their wins came with Wells, Clifton and Tauscher on the line. Bonus points for changing the subject to the Vikings, Chiefs and Colts.

 

[Carl]

Aaron Rodgers is the only reason why the Packers won that many games with a poor OL, the last six games have proven that.

What you don't realize though is that that record could even be better with a good OL.

The Packers will be a contender as long as Rodgers is healthy, but with the supporting cast he's been given by Thompson over the last few years I'm afraid Rodgers will suffer a similar fate as Favre did and win "only" obe Super Bowl. And we'll complain after his career that the Packers didn't provide him with enough weapons.


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Yes, it could have been better, but EVERY team has a weakness or two. Every single one. I just don't understand why would rather focus on their weaknesses then rather than their success.

Enough weapons? Jennings, Jones, Jordy, Cobb, Finley, Lacy, Driver (not TT, but still a weapon provided by the Packers). Come on man.

 

[Carl]

You posted as if they we winning alot with THIS line. I merely pointed out that you were wrong. Some of their wins came with Wells, Clifton and Tauscher on the line. Bonus points for changing the subject to the Vikings, Chiefs and Colts.

I said during the 43 game streak and from 2010-2012. In what way does that imply this line?

You and others have pointed out the line wasn't very good during those stretches. I pointed out that they won anyway, which is more important than any other stat.

I'd give you bonus points if you could name a few teams that were good with not good QB play, as you expect the Packers to be. Or name a few teams you think could win with their third option at QB.

 

[Bus Cook]

Exactly. I recommend a mass ignore on him because no amount of reason gets through his skull and he just keeps hijacking threads every chance he gets to spew the same BS over and over. There's nothing to be gained from attempting any form of civil discourse with him. I really don't know what he thinks he's accomplishing.

How is talking about TT hijacking a thread titled, "What ya think about TT???
Bonus point to you for encouraging everyone to think like you or ignore certain posters. That's exactly what a message board should be.