what would you trade for Richard Sherman?

[kevans74]

Man...

Sherman would make this team SO SO much better

It isn't funny... if he could be had for picks and Hundley(some combo)

there is NO reason to not get him



...Keep Cobb

 

[McKnowledge]

Let me know when you decide what you really mean.

I have decided. You picked different quotes from three different statements, all of which were direct responses to your inadequate arguments. You may be able to edit your responses, but not mine. I thought you would've learned how to take a loss graciously...you being a "poker brat" and all.

 

[McKnowledge]

You might want to ask Woodson and Sitton how criticizing the Packers coaching staff has worked out for them.

Woodson...gee...idk...SB winner...HOFer...cushy analyst job on ESPN. Sitton...still playing...still cashing checks...got his ring...I think it worked out for them.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Woodson...gee...idk...SB winner...HOFer...cushy analyst job on ESPN. Sitton...still playing...still cashing checks...got his ring...I think it worked out for them.

True, but both were released in Green Bay the season after they criticized the coaching staff and/or front office.

 

[fistfullofbeer]

Giving up a 1st round pick is a big price. But you have to give to get. Plus, can we really state that a late 1st round pick pans out in the future and works for the team. Any draft pick, irrespective of the round, is a gamble of sorts. The higher the pick, the bigger the gamble.

Nobody can say with absolute certainty that getting Sherman would make us a Superbowl caliber team. But what I can say with certainty is that it gives our dismal secondary a much needed upgrade and a better chance at stopping opponents. Getting a new player is almost always a gamble, but atleast you know that the player is proven at the NFL level over several seasons. Sherman has more than proven that he can be a #1 corner.

Not entertaining giving up the 1st round pick to get a proven player like Sherman is putting way too much faith into the draft process.

 

[PackAttack12]

Personal feelings for Sherman's theatrics aside, I feel he would be a good addition if all it meant was giving up this year's 1st round selection.

 

[kevans74]

it will likely require a little more than JUST a 1st

I think something like a 1st and Hundley

For Sherman and a 4th

or our 1st and 5th for Sherman and a 4th/5th... something like that

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Our first round pick has a lot less value than the 28 before it, so the rumored "plus a player" would lead me to believe it would have to be a pretty good player or additional picks for Seattle to even consider Green Bay as a trade partner over most other teams. The good news, the Patriots don't currently have a first or second round pick, at least not in the 2017 draft.

 

[OldSchool101]

Something tells me that they feel they already have their #1 CB and he is currently on the team. Just speculation on my part and mainly because I don't think they can honestly expect to draft a #1 CB at #29. If it is the case, it would be risky thinking IMO and we may get our answer soon enough. If the first few rounds of the draft go by without the Packers taking a CB, we will know what TT and the Packers have been thinking all along.

...that both Quinten and Damarious suffered injury setbacks that were significant. I think we can reasonably speculate that one or both were forced to play while injured due to the shear number of injuries at the position. The staff isn't going to advertise or embellish on the details of those injuries or how they affected their overall performance for obvious reasons. It's very plausible that either player, coupled with another training camp and preseason, could make an advance in production during this year.
This CB position seems to show by history to have what I call a porpoise effect (e.g Casey). That eradicate up and down play usually levels off with seasoning and there needs to be some trust in the system and player combined to improve gradually. We knew Randall and Rollins needed seasoning coming in and we can't abandon our top 2 picks just yet. We were ready to do that with D Adams (myself included) and look at what focusing on a player did in 2016
Positives. We have the luxury this year of adding a CB in the first 4 rounds that would normally be a 1-2 rounder many years... that affords us to also go after a top DE or OLB to up our pass rush. Which we both know that QB pressure is instrumental in turnover ratio and history shows us TO ratio creates Championship Defenses.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

...that both Quinten and Damarious suffered injury setbacks that were significant.

I have no idea why a lot of Packers fans ignore Randall and Rollins struggled when healthy last season as well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

...that both Quinten and Damarious suffered injury setbacks that were significant. I think we can reasonably speculate that one or both were forced to play while injured due to the shear number of injuries at the position. The staff isn't going to advertise or embellish on the details of those injuries or how they affected their overall performance for obvious reasons. It's very plausible that either player, coupled with another training camp and preseason, could make an advance in production during this year.
This CB position seems to show by history to have what I call a porpoise effect (e.g Casey). That eradicate up and down play usually levels off with seasoning and there needs to be some trust in the system and player combined to improve gradually. We knew Randall and Rollins needed seasoning coming in and we can't abandon our top 2 picks just yet. We were ready to do that with D Adams (myself included) and look at what focusing on a player did in 2016
Positives. We have the luxury this year of adding a CB in the first 4 rounds that would normally be a 1-2 rounder many years... that affords us to also go after a top DE or OLB to up our pass rush. Which we both know that QB pressure is instrumental in turnover ratio

As dangerous and misguided as most of us think viewing the CB situation in this way is, it is really the only conclusion I can come up with to explain (to myself) the offseason so far. I keep telling myself "There are still "X" months before opening day, relax", but it is starting to look as if those of us who expected a big change and are questioning TT's approach (to our perceptions), will just have to sit back and see what happens. Obviously, if things stay as is, I hope TT proves many of us wrong and we currently have a couple of young shut down corners just ready to blossom.

***Mental Note to Self*** Stop thinking about what happened with the same approach to the TE and ILB issues.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I have no idea why a lot of Packers fans ignore Randall and Rollins struggled when healthy last season as well.

I for one haven't, but I think you might hear that "excuse" coming from TT or at least TT wanting to convince himself and anyone that will listen, that injuries (and need for development) were the reason for their struggles. As I wrote above, it is about the only way I can wrap my own head around TT's current approach to the position and what many of us perceive as a glaring need.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I for one haven't, but I think you might hear that "excuse" coming from TT or at least TT wanting to convince himself and anyone that will listen, that injuries (and need for development) were the reason for their struggles. As I wrote above, it is about the only way I can wrap my own head around TT's current approach to the position and what many of us perceive as a glaring need.

You correctly pointed out that approach didn't work with the tight end, inside linebacker and may I add the safety position within the past few years though and unfortunately I don't expect that to be any different at cornerback this season.

 

[kevans74]

I have no idea why a lot of Packers fans ignore Randall and Rollins struggled when healthy last season as well.

LOL this

 

[sschind]

Whatever it takes to get him. He automatically makes this defense a LOT better.

Like WIMM says, no doubt he makes us better but not at "whatever it takes".

I assume that if we don't trade for him you will advocate taking a CB in the first round no matter what regardless of who it is and who else is available.

 

[brandon2348]

Like WIMM says, no doubt he makes us better but not at "whatever it takes".

I assume that if we don't trade for him you will advocate taking a CB in the first round no matter what regardless of who it is and who else is available.

The price for Sherman has been disclosed as a 1st round pick or a good player and high pick.

I don't think that's "whatever it takes"

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The price for Sherman has been disclosed as a 1st round pick or a good player and high pick.

I don't think that's "whatever it takes"

Hate to burst yours or anyone else's bubble......but everything I have read it is not an "or". Something also to ponder, what is Seattle's definition of a "high" draft pick?

The Seahawks have let it be known they would consider trading Sherman, but only for “a very good player plus a high draft pick,” according to an NFL source.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/s...-salguero/article143077999.html#storylink=cpy

 

[sschind]

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I wouldn't trade a case of tape and a half eaten samich for this ****** bag.

With Lacy gone we just might be able to scare up a few whole samiches and since Eddie is now in Seattle they may need some more samiches.

Sorry, I just can't lay of the Eddie Lacy fat jokes. Especially when they are served up like that.

 

[brandon2348]

Hate to burst yours or anyone else's bubble......but everything I have read it is not an "or". Something also to ponder, what is Seattle's definition of a "high" draft pick?

The Seahawks have let it be known they would consider trading Sherman, but only for “a very good player plus a high draft pick,” according to an NFL source.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/s...-salguero/article143077999.html#storylink=cpy

Hate to burst yours or anyone else's bubble......but everything I have read it is not an "or". Something also to ponder, what is Seattle's definition of a "high" draft pick?

The Seahawks have let it be known they would consider trading Sherman, but only for “a very good player plus a high draft pick,” according to an NFL source.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/s...-salguero/article143077999.html#storylink=cpy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nf...ff&p.bgc1m=%230964bf&p.bgc2m=%23053a74&sr=amp

Either way it should be pursued.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The price for Sherman has been disclosed as a 1st round pick or a good player and high pick.

I don't think that's "whatever it takes"

From what I heard the Seahawks want a good player with a decent contract. That eliminates Matthews and Cobb from consideration.

 

[kevans74]

1st and Hundley

 

[brandon2348]

From what I heard the Seahawks want a good player with a decent contract. That eliminates Matthews and Cobb from consideration.

Spriggs may be someone they would want. There desperate for OL. Hundley might be another guy if he had more tape.

I would be fine giving them our first if it came down to it. Thompson could always trade up in second to get an edge guy.

 

[sschind]

To go back to the whole "pretty good player" part. Who do we have as a backup that is a pretty good player or who do we have as a pretty good player that we have an adequate replacement for. If you trade away a pretty good player you have to replace him and if you can't replace him with a player of equal ability part of the improvement you get with trading for Sherman is offset.

It seems most of the pretty good players being mentioned by Packer fans are one they want to get rid of because they are either declining or not worth their salary or both. What makes you think Seattle would want those players. That's part of the reason why they want to get rid of Sherman in the first place.

Draft picks are a crap shoot. I would trade the #29 pick in the draft for Richard Sherman. Put it this way, if a player like Richard Sherman was available at #29 would you take him? Yes he would be cheaper and younger but just look at the talent for a minute which is what you are looking at with a draft pick anyway. I would probably even give up a little more like a 3rd or 4th rounder if we could make it next year when we might get it replaced with a comp pick anyway.

I don't know if Richard Sherman would put us in the SB but I am convinced that with Richard Sherman we would have a big improvement on our defense. I'm not convinced that the #29 pick will give us the same level of improvement.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Spriggs may be someone they would want. There desperate for OL. Hundley might be another guy if he had more tape.

I don't believe the Seahawks consider Hundley or Spriggs a good enough player to include in a trade for Sherman.

 

[kevans74]

To go back to the whole "pretty good player" part. Who do we have as a backup that is a pretty good player or who do we have as a pretty good player that we have an adequate replacement for. If you trade away a pretty good player you have to replace him and if you can't replace him with a player of equal ability part of the improvement you get with trading for Sherman is offset.

It seems most of the pretty good players being mentioned by Packer fans are one they want to get rid of because they are either declining or not worth their salary or both. What makes you think Seattle would want those players. That's part of the reason why they want to get rid of Sherman in the first place.

Draft picks are a crap shoot. I would trade the #29 pick in the draft for Richard Sherman. Put it this way, if a player like Richard Sherman was available at #29 would you take him? Yes he would be cheaper and younger but just look at the talent for a minute which is what you are looking at with a draft pick anyway. I would probably even give up a little more like a 3rd or 4th rounder if we could make it next year when we might get it replaced with a comp pick anyway.

I don't know if Richard Sherman would put us in the SB but I am convinced that with Richard Sherman we would have a big improvement on our defense. I'm not convinced that the #29 pick will give us the same level of improvement.

Yea I would guess it would be more than just a 1st... like a 1st and 3rd

and we might get Sherman and a LATE pick (6th maybe) back